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Comment by dillybar

I was hopeful for Wild Thrash being a substantial upgrade for AOE, as it deals significantly more damage than the old multi-shot and required less work to maintain uptime on that damage. The 8 second cd matching duration of Beast Cleave made the management a lot easier than trying to track when cleave fell off. And as the damage is handled entirely by the pet, expected perhaps the playstyle to work out better than constantly having to fire my weapon. The 300% bonus damage on 2 or more enemies is great.

This is all current content though, I hadn't really thought about legacy (one shot type) AOE in previous expansions, such as transmog/gear runs, etc.

For that sort of content, this is really a disaster.

1) The 8 second cd is not effective on old dungeons, in fact creates far more work than multishot for clearing bands of weak low health enemies, thereby having to wait for a reset of that 8 seconds, or tab/mouse switching enemies and using single target abilities to kill them.

2) Pet pathing is STILL a disaster (PLEASE will someone at Blizzard prioritize fixing this issue?) so the pet must be in melee range for the damage to hit, if you start the fight, may need another ability to first get the pet to charge. Now this can be someone remediated by macro'ing in pet attacks with several abilities (in fact that's recommended in order to maximize pet dps by tying pet attack to basically ALL your targeted abilities).

3) Talent point itself is not well placed in the tree, you have no choice but to select this for most content (outside of maybe single target raid bosses) and as such you are stuck foregoing certain talents because you simply have no way to grab them.

4) Multishot was an instant kill, now you need to initiate your combat with a particular single target ability before even initiating Wild Thrash, then upon hitting Wild Thrash you have to wait for the pet to run through and do damage. It's so tediously slow. Two commands and the traditional "slow pet reaction" (see "2" above).

The effectiveness is reduced above 8 targets, but for this one I'm not all that concerned, in dragonflight (if memory serves me right) at 5 targets effectiveness of cleave was reduced. While there is a diminishing return for 9 or more targets, still should see reasonable damage to larger packs.

It really is frustrating though, if you are moving with a speed set (gear with speed or specific talents and/or buffs that maximize your speed) in old content, you are often having to do far more work than it was with multishot to take down enemies. I honestly wish they'd have maybe left multishot as the effective starting point for beast cleave, and just set up some way (since weak auras seem to no longer work at the time I'm writing this) to track the time on beast cleave, outside of matching the AOE ability itself. It just ruins trying to down legacy content.

***EDIT: With a couple of days running through legacy content, what would honestly help is to just put bring MultiShot back, put it on the same talent box as Wild Thrash, that way a hunter can pick one or the other, we'd obviously select multishot for older "instakill" content, and then go with wild-thrash on anything with packs that take more than 8 seconds to kill, where the AOE DPS would be worth it.

I really welcome other input as hunters begin to experience what I'm seeing, if you have opinions even if they don't align with my own, or if you feel I'm getting something wrong, please do let me know :)

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Wild Thrash

Wild Thrash

Talent

35 Focus	50 yd range

Instant	8 sec cooldown

Command your pet to thrash all enemies within 10 yds, dealing (191% of Attack Power) Physical damage to them. Damage is increased by 200% if Wild Thrash hits 2 or more enemies.

Deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets.

Spell Details

Duration

n/a

School

Physical

Mechanic

n/a

Dispel type

n/a

GCD category

Normal

Cost

35 Focus

Range

50 yards (Extended)

Cast time

Instant

Cooldown

8 seconds

GCD

1.5 seconds

Effect #1

Dummy
Value: 200
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Effect #2

Dummy
Value: 2
PVP Multiplier: 1
Server-side script

Flags

Is Ability
Do Not Sheath
Allow Class Ability Procs

Wild Thrash

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