Фурик. Получил сегодня эту забавную игрушку. Подумал, подумал....и отдал ДиКею пвпешеру, ибо реально не знаю, что с ним 1-м пока делать. Терять баланс статов без единой вещи с ЦЛК имхо глупо пока. Но хочется попробовать сразу два их и со шмотом с упором в хаст. Поправьте меня, если не прав....

Из замеченного:
1) Лайф-лич не критует.
2)Шанс прока в пределах 10%

Аскара, Король-Лич

Комментарий от 496226

Как мили дд порвать ДК в крови, с этим мечем, и инчантом http://ru.wowhead.com/?spell=44576 ?)

Комментарий от 343775

Отличный акс,помимо относительно хороших стат отличается выпадом с самого первого босса)с таким топориГом не стыдно и дальше по инсту ити убивая нечесть и сея смерть и разрушение!)

Комментарий от Kalidus

Прокает от мили ударов и мили способностей
Судя по WWSке прок составляет примерно 16%.
Сила похищения не скалиться от статов, следовательно, этот топор лучший выбор ДК танков

Комментарий от 501975

Хз. Я в анхолике дамажу с ним. В рекаунте дамаг похищения идёт 3200-3300. Так что он скорее всего скалируется от дк спелов.

PS: Добавлю, в боях, где прокает абсолютно всё, дамаг похищения доходит до 10% от общего моего дпса(общий 6-7к) так что очень хорошая пушка для дд.

Комментарий от 511510

только что танчин героик, там дк анхоли попался с таким топором, по рекаунту похищение 2175-3516(средний 3015); соответственно если урон магический, то у анхоли есть талант на +13% к магическому урону, +талант "порочность", тоже увеличивающий магич урон. очень интересно зависит ли от ап у варов кол-во похищения жизни. отпишитесь плиз вары и палы.

Комментарий от 387700

We have found a bug with Bryntroll where it procs too often for Retribution paladins or Unholy DKs. For example both portions of Scourge Strike could cause a proc, which is unintended.
Bryntroll seems to account for about ~3-4% of dps for a typical Icecrown Fury warrior. That's more of where it should be for other melee.

Мы нашли баг в Бринтролле, который вызывал проки у ретри-паладинов и ДК-нечестивости слишком часто. Например, обе составляющих урона Удара плети могли вызвать прок. Бринтролль дает в среднем 3-4% дпс воинам в ЦЛК. Вот рамки.

Вот и нерф. Теперь Шадоу Эдж - топ оружие для мили лат.

Комментарий от nearbird

После нерфа этот топор будет хорош тем, у кого шмот на уровне 232-245 и т9. Тогда лайфстил более-менее поднимает дпс. Если же иметь т10 и 264+, то топор не тащит, лайфстил не скалируется от статов и, соответственно, с повышением ваших статов урон лайфстила останется неизменным. Короче говоря, копите саронит :)

Комментарий от 486417

Такой красавец на внешний вид, просто супер

Комментарий от NecroKnight

лол тупое гонево на топор. У меня( дк анхоли 245-251 прок лайфстила составляет 8-9% на тухлом и манекене) Топор на бг стилит хп примерно каждые 10 сек

Комментарий от 533615

хороший легкодоступный топор как для пвп так и для пве до грани или воятеля люди ходят имено с ним а уж про пвп молчу бис так как пвп мили пушки это шлак

Комментарий от spike245

довльно неплохой топор и для пвп и для пве ходил с таким но потом выбил гер

Комментарий от 441334

Фури вары с 2мя героическими версиями этого топора, везучие вредины х)
После нерфа, если у вас 2 героических пушки, вы счастливчик %прока лайфстила вырастает вдвое, за счёт ношения 2х пух :)

Комментарий от vovkulak

А как вы считаете,для ретрика эта пуха лучше квестового Кель'Делара?А то я что-то сомневаюсь..

Комментарий от leo002

т.к. у паладина ретри,как и у анхолика есть приличный запас силы заклинаний,то урон должен быть повыше заявленного
p.s. рейтинг скорости от келделара только в пве поможет.

Комментарий от 316829

Вот перевод англоязычного комментария :

1. Эффект похищения регистрируется как темная магия и может быть пассивно усилен.

2. Внутреннего КД прока нет.

3. Частота прока около 15%.

4. Применение способностей МОЖЕТ вызвать прок.

5. Похищение НЕ может быть критическим.

6. Похищение МОЖЕТ промахнуться.

7. Похищение НЕ скалируется от силы заклинаний.

Комментарий от 590492

Люди я понимаю конеш что не в тему но у меня в инстах и пати вообще ролл больше 20 никогда не выходит мб это баг? просто одеться нереально а этот топор в роле проиграл 7 раз=(((

Комментарий от 536714

маст хэв для дк, особенно для тех, кто увлекается соло чисткой инстов

Комментарий от 557804

замеры на манекене:
прокает примерно раз в 8-10 секунд, дает 5% всего нанесенного урона, минимальный наносимый урон - 1800, максимальный - 3000. (Ретрипал)

Комментарий от 493149

Подводя итоги:

одна из лучших пух на дк танка благодаря отхилу
отличная пуха для пвп из-за хорошего дпс и отхила
для дд хороша только тем, что это самый легкодоступный двуруч 264го итем-лвла с соответствующим дпс (по мере улучшения шмота рейтинги на других оружиях перевесят лайфстил)

Комментарий от Tvinker

Народ, подскажите, с ним реально ваще танчить?

Комментарий от 834207

о великий вовхеад помоги нам всем в рейде чтоб мы убили его и выпал этот топор и я эго сроллил

Комментарий от Vordb

Шикарная моделька. О, великая трансмогрификация, скоро я опять буду с ним бегать!

Комментарий от Triliar

Я не могу понять, почему в инфе о предмете написан шанс дропа 4%, а во вкладке "С кого добывается" - 29%? Где правильно?

Комментарий от 1184677

Очень интересная, необычная модель. Хоть топор и устарел, он обязательно должен быть у каждого поклонника трансмогрификации :)

Комментарий от Ura1512

По мне так одно из самых красивых вещей на транс)

Комментарий от JETracktor

Уже скоро. Кровь болотников будет пролита во славу Степана.

This is amazing over the current 258 2hs. Only 8 item levels above and it pulls 13 more weapon DPS. It's a little on the fast side, and the lack of crit/armor pen/hit may be unsettling, but that proc, depending on the rate, could make up for that, while boosting your health. With 2x Bold Cardinal Rubies you can get 147 strength out of this, baseline.

This drops in Icecrown Citadel 25-player normal mode, by the way.
Edit: Meant to say fast side >.>. Corrected.
Edit: This weapon was buffed. Prior to the buff, it only gave 107 strength, whereas now it gives 169.

Комментарий от 297026

Omm nom nom!
Good for tank dks?
Edit- Exactly what I was saying. The healing isnt something you would want on a dps, you want crit. But the sockets and the healing effect could lead one to believe that this is for DK tanks. If the effect procs often, even then its a pretty terribad item. Guess it will just be fodder for DEing.

Комментарий от Aredict

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't these type of procs tend to scale strongly with spellpower? There are two other weapons I remember seeing that scaled pretty well - www.wowhead.com/?item=28311 seems to be 100% coefficient and www.wowhead.com/?item=10804 around 50%.

If it does work with spellpower, it could be of use for paladins (perhaps, as some above have said, as a self healing weapon or even just a burst damage effect if the proc rate is strong).

Комментарий от Cheebeechoobza

I'm so sick of these whiny raiders who complain about a lack of this number or that stat on a weapon that's really cool and interesting. WoW needs MORE interesting procs on its gear, not less. This weapon could be amazing for PvP and is just a really handy tool to have around in general, especially for classes who can't heal. We want more interesting gear, so stop complaining when we get it. If this weapon gives .000372 less DPS or whatever, then shut up and use something else.

Комментарий от 382219

This is Good for Fury Warriors and DKs in Battlegrounds.
I wonder if Vampiric Blood affects this. If yes, then vampiric Blood + This = Abut 5k HP.
Combine later with Frost Fever and Blood Plague, then Death Strike, and about 4k HP recovered for a T8.5er.
This Axe is good for Raid-Wide AoEs for any class (Sapphiron's Frost Aura). And It keeps you alive In BGs. It's useful for EVERYTHING.

Комментарий от Elknot

first, we had -
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40343
then we had -
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=50761
now we have -
http://ptr.wowhead.com/?item=50415

I mean... we all know how easily 2HDers break, with all the cleaving, cutting, grinding....

Needs more duct tape. Period.

Комментарий от Damir

What a strange weapon... It has something on it's end. How do we call those things? Ahh yeah, balls :D

Комментарий от parl2001

Because some raiders do more than one thing? A raider that PvPs...imagine that!

QFT. Can we have a little fun from stuff that drops in raids, too? And not just the same gear every tier after tier after tier with just +10% stats changing?

Комментарий от frmorrison

The damage proc works like a spell and has about a 15% proc rate.

Comparing Bryntroll to 258 Dual Blade, I gain 250 dps with this weapon as a Ret Pally.

Комментарий от 233098

Everyone is focusing on this as a dps weapon. To my eye it looks fantastically itemized as a DK tanking weapon. The heal will help out your healers and give threat and the red/blue seem great for stamina and/or exp/stam gems. I'm no expert on DK tanks but it seems worth considering.

Комментарий от kythos

Ret pally in my guild got this today (I also am a ret pally, but I had a better weapon, so c'est la vie)

Anyway, on our saurfang kill, the proc on this thing was 7.5% of his dps on recount. ABOVE divine storm. Above RV tics (with 4p t9). So I think it's safe to say, the proc rate on this is ridiculous and it should not be overlooked as a truly viable PvE weapon.

However, an interesting note is that the proc does NOT seem to be able to crit. It procced 62 times for him over the course of the fight (freaking ridiculous) with a minimum hit of 1121, avg hit of 2657, and max of 3496 with no crits recorded (the max is likely from AW being popped, along with trinkets), so it seems to be affected by some buffs at the very least, but certainly not a high coefficient for spellpower or anything like that.

Edited for mixing up numbers

Edit 2 - it also missed twice, and since he's melee hit capped it's likely that it uses the spell hit table for the proc.

Edit 3 - To put this in some context, the fight lasted long enough for him to do 112 melee swings, with 60 crusader strikes and 54 divine storms, which I assume are all this can proc off of, but in case it can proc of judgment he did 30 of those (hmm, after looking at these numbers they confuse me, but lets focus on the proc rates and not the relative numbers of those abilities)

Комментарий от Suddenly

Did a bit of testing with this thing.

Between...

182 melee swings
64 judgements
118 crusader strikes, and
49 divine storms, or
413 attacks in total

There were 106 procs from drain life.

413 / 106 ~ 25.6% procrate, which is pretty close to 1 in 4.

Min 1831, average 2441, max 3263. 9 misses, no crits. Pretty much confirms what Kythos just said, low spell coefficient, uses spell hit table.

Does not seem to be able to proc if you are facing away from an enemy. 60 or so judgements / divine storms with my back turned and not one drain life.

Did this again.

600 white swings, 54 procs, 3.4 speed, that's roughly 9% per swing, or ~1.6 ppm (1.588).
That's a fair bit lower than what the above numbers gave.

Комментарий от 495222

This weapon has a higher proc chance for ret pallies because when they get a white hit the application of a SoV stack on the target counts as another hit effectively raising their proc chance for this weapon. The proc itself is worth 500-600 DPS for rets.

If only it would of dropped from him.

Beaten by 5 minutes.

As of 1/14/09 Blizzard has changed the way PPM items work including berserking to make them more stable for all classes. Meaning this is the same for a warrior as a paladin.

Комментарий от SID67

Looting both the sword from marrowgar 10 and this one from marrowgar 25 on the first day upgraded both my tanking and my dpsing weapon as a DK. I used lothar's edge for the nice hit boost for (frost) tanking but the insane proc rate of almost 3kish life drain will worth the change even tho I'll lose 2.38% hit. Did no special tests, but it can proc instantly after a proc and proc'd every 8secs avarage for me (19 in 150sec or so).

Комментарий от 495519

Got this last night in ICC 25-man, sumbited a screenshot of it. It's a very sexy axe.

For anyone interested, it's the axe that Lord Marrowgar wields in the fight.

I also wonder if the proc works with Dancing Rune Weapon as a blood specced DK.

Комментарий от Aubergine

As a tank weapon on a Blood DK it did about 20% of healing done over an entire H VH PuG. Death Strike did about 60%. If you enjoy the self-healing playstyle of blood tanking then it's definitely a nice little addition to the self-healing repertoire.

The 15% proc rate seems accurate and there appears to be no internal cooldown. On a dummy I tested with white swings alone, the first proc happened after 3 swings, the second after 10, the third after 5. Not a very in-depth test but it gives a general idea of how frequently it will be proccing, especially once you include abilities into the mix.

In my opinion it is probably the best DK tank weapon in ICC (apart from its Heroic version or Shadowmourne). The proc is very potent and does couple nicely with the Blood tank playstyle.

Комментарий от 275504

This + Full wrathful warrior + recklessness + bladstorm, assuming multiple procs during BS = LOL

Комментарий от d3nyd

As everyone else has been saying, this axe is amazing, and is likely going to be overlooked a lot because of the proc and lack of other stats. I got it yesterday on my Death Knight, and the proc alone is doing about 4-6% of my total damage. I understand for Ret pallies this is even higher. If I were you, I'd dump all my DKP on this weapon and not worry about much else. I doubt there's a much better weapon that drops off anything in the game at this particular time.

Комментарий от Worry

Wouldn't be surprised if this proc sees some quick changes.

As-is, you can do some rough napkin math and calculate the proc at an added 70~ weapon dps, which would make this weapon competitive (if not better) than passive-stat-itemized ilvl 284 2hers (i.e, Lich King hard mode ilvl).

Puggable (let alone puggable first boss) weapons usually aren't supposed to be close to BIS.

Комментарий от 487630

Got this baby from last nite, after just using this http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50048 for 1 day!

I am a little ambivalent as to whether or not to use this axe for pve raid as a dps due to the massive lost in crit (and haste); not entirely sure if the proc is worth it.

Комментарий от rodmin

Lord Marrowgar is:

a) first boss in ICC
b) target of one of the weekly raid quests

So therefore this weapon will be many times looked for by meele 2H classes, as an upgrade for Quel'delar.

Edit: changed this post a bit and removed the "lame joke" since it got downrated...

Комментарий от 496774

Hmm... Bryntroll = Finntroll? I know at least one of the band members plays WoW and other Warcraft games. I've even seen Blizzard in the thanks part of an album of theirs.

Комментарий от Moodknight

Very cool DPS, nice stats,two gems+sometimes helpful equip. One of the best 2h we can have before Shadowmourne, speaking about pala-war-dk group. Plus as we know - not so many ppl gonna have the legendary so thats a good "plan B" I guess...
And of course it looks prety awesome!=)

Комментарий от 268034

Well this axe is great, not PERFECTLY itemised but still with a quite ridiculus end-damage and 2 sockets, this will be a pretty common axe, imo, since it drops from a very easyly pug-able boss and its the first one aswell.

Комментарий от jongo95

I loved the name so much when I first saw it. And then I thought, "take Bryntroll, the quick and easy bone arbiter, use it for
fast relief!
I feel stupid now, lol

Комментарий от axhawk

The theorycrafting on this potent weapon is still rather sparse, so I spent several hours testing the limits of the proc and it's dps contribution. First off, the basics:

The 264 version proc has an average damage of 2250, while the 277 version has an average of 2538.
The damage does not scale with any character stats (though the dps does, more on that below).
The damage does scale with any percentage damage increases that affect spell damage, such as Avenging Wrath, Curse of Elements, Blood Presence, etc.
The drain can proc off of any weapon attack, as well as some odd events such as applying or refreshing effects such as deathknight diseases or the paladin talent Righteous Vengeance. These odd events do have some requirements though. The drain can proc off of the refreshing of some DoTs or debuffs so long as the character is within melee range of and facing the target for the drain. Specific to the deathknight class, the drain can proc off of the disease application of Icy Touch (assuming you are in melee range), can double-proc off Plague Strike (the strike and the disease application), and on each target that is in melee range and in front of you from Pestilence.
The drain has a base proc rate of 2 procs-per-minute, or 11.3333% chance per swing, and has no internal cooldown.
The drain can proc multiple times per attack, provided there's are more than one weapon event for the attack. For example, the drain can multi-proc off the following:
- On any or all of the multiple targets of Cleave, Whirlwind, Divine Storm, Heart Strike, or Sweeping Strikes.
- From a melee (or special) and it's subsequent seal proc, Blood-Caked Blade proc, or Windfury proc.
- From both the physical and shadow portions of Scourge Strike.
The drain can not proc from any spells, excluding the odd events mentioned above.
The drain is incapable of critting and functions on the spell hit table. However, it doesn't seem to be resistible.

Now, with a 2 PPM baseline, the weapon will deal 2 procs a minute before any waste or special attacks or talents are factored in, giving it a minimum dps of 75. In practice, the proc will usually provide between 200 and 400 dps, depending on the character's haste rating, spec and rotation (and therefore number of procable attacks per second), spell hit chance, and +damage buffs present. A good estimate is that it will provide approximately 4-8% of a character's dps. For many classes, this means the proc is worth the equivalent of between 400 and 800 additional attack power, though it's place on the best-in-slot list is strongly dependent class, spec, haste rating, and rotation. In general is can be assumed to be near the top of the list, however, as the proc itself provides a fairly respectable amount of dps while also making it easier for the healers to keep you alive through miscellaneous raid damage.

References
Melee/BCB Doubleproc
Scourge Strike Doubleproc
Heart Strike Doubleproc
PPM Recount Parse

Edit: Updated some of the info based on some of my more recent test results.

Комментарий от 261533

I realize this isn't what Blizzard had in mind as this axe's optimal usage, but this could be a good weapon for players who enjoy soloing old content like Zul'gurub and the likes. Since mob hits are weak relative to the newer zones, the 2,000-range heal could be like having a lowbie scrub healer with you, and that little health could go a long way to an 80 in one of these zones.

Комментарий от 229580

To my fellow wariors, I can only say this: Wielding this weapon will now make it possible to 1on1 a holy paladin! The procc is amazing!

Комментарий от 442407

I just got this weapon today (17 December) and its just insanely good. The proc is insane as it pulls of 3000 with my SP (Around 2500 in 25man raid, a little more) And it raised my dps on Saurfang on 25 man ICC from around ~6500 to 8.1k which was a pleasent suprise.

So I really think this is a awsome Retri Paladin due to the scale with spell power.

Комментарий от 279911

The French translation team somehow dropped the Troll out of it.. I'm gonna sue them for racial discrimination%)

Комментарий от malrion

blue response to this thing being overpowered

Bryntroll damage too high?
Because we removed the passive stats to add the procs to some weapons in Icecrown we were a little more generous with what they could do to keep them interesting/fun even if a lot of players felt they would be terrible without the passive stats. The Nibelung staff can proc a lot of Val’kyr so this isn't a Bryntroll/melee specific topic.

Just to avoid surprises, procs like this are the kind of thing you will likely see a lot more of in order for gear to not to feel so predictable and boring from tier to tier.

As far as the PvP concerns, the classes that can use this weapon were already quite popular so we are keeping an eye on things and see if any noticeable impact happens on them.

You are kind of mixing two different things together. Yes, it can be harder to eyeball and item's value with procs like this, but this is only one item slot (sure, two for those titan gripping folk) and pretty unlikely to be something that will be put on a character from head to toe. The "eyeball" of an item's worth also isn't intended to cut down every item to being a system of +1 to your previous item or anything like that, we still want decisions to be made.

The goal is to make them a little more fun and interesting and while players will figure out which one(s) are best, hopefully the interest in the proc alone will be a bit of a factor in the item. I know personally if I can spawn some random val'kyr, I'll take a small dps loss, heh

we will see if it gets nerfed

Комментарий от 368225

From a fury warrior's perspective, the proc does about 3.5% ish of my damage total in any given night. I've had it for a week and noticed my heroic strike crits are actually lower, due to the 3.4 speed. Overall this is probably better suited for a dk or a ret. No matter as shadow's edge is not far on the horizon.

Комментарий от 503561

Am I the only one who realized that if you put the two last words together, it sounds like "Boner biter"?

Комментарий от Anarchy

The proc does 7~8% of my DPS, which is insane for a 'gimmicky proc'.
The proc was doing 650 - 700 DPS consistantly, as a ret paladin, probably will be slightly lower for other classes.

Комментарий от gaudaloht

With this axe on mh can proc from oh hit?

Комментарий от 100627

Is it a good idea to dual wield this weapon?

Комментарий от 342530

I have to make comment about the usefulness of the healing side of this proc. If like myself you enjoy soloing places like ZG and other lvl 70 instances it really is a life saver. A quick pestilence around a 6-7 strong mob and its a quick self heal. Versus Tiger/Raptor boss you can pretty much faceroll them in blood stance with no real need to use other healing effects at all.

On the negative side this healing proc I find to be completely counterproductive on Anub heroic due to most of healing effect being taken straight back by leech swarm thus making the proc far less useful.

Комментарий от Dernar

I don't want to upset you guys, but Pyrius and Caboom have the right idea about this as a tanking weapon. Is the life steal from the proc nice? Yup, sure is. Does it make this a weapon that is particularly well itemized for DK tanking? No, not really. Because of the way Blizz has designed boss damage output for this expansion, small heals tend to be mostly or completely consumed through overhealing. That is, because even well geared tanks need big heals at least every other time they take a hit from a raid boss, healers spend a lot of time trying to bring tanks to max health. If your tanks are very far below maximim health for more than a few seconds straight, they are likely about to die. This results in a very large amount of overhealing for nearly all progression encounters.

The fact is that at 2 PPM (even though it procs off abilities and even double procs in some situations) is not a reliable proc rate. The healing from this will very rarely save a tank from death, but will often heal a tank that is already at max health (effectively useless for survival). If the proc rate was much higher, and the simply procced heals instead of draining health, this would be a clear choice for tanks. In that case, it would work more like druid HoTs, which heal for small amounts, but do so very frequently. But that's not the case. On the other hand, even the small heals from this can greatly reduce the healing a dps player will need during encounters with moderate raid damage.

So yes, this could be a really nice tanking weapon, but the proc doesn't appear to be itemized with that intent (at least not solely). With the DPS figures I'm seeing here, this weapon is probably better off in the hands of a dps class than a tanking DK, at least the first few times it drops for your guild. If it drops in a PUG, I would encourage DK tanks to roll.

If you want to know more about this, check out some discussions of Effective Health, Avoidance in WotLK, or even just about Chill of the Throne (the ICC dodge debuff everyone hates).

****Edit 1/9/10**** Expect a nerf to the proc rate on this for Ret pallies and DKs. While this means the dps output of the proc is going to considerably lower, it also means the proc for DK tanks will be considerably lower. This is still not particularly well itemized for DK tanks, but it may be easier to justify giving it to one with the incoming DPS nerf.
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http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/22048473487-nerf-bryntroll-the-bone-arbiter.html

Комментарий от 510610

u guys might not like the fact that shadow's edge is way better than brynroll, but its a fact.

i did some testing with the quel blade and bryntroll on HC dummy as a paladin. with t10 2set bonus ontop of it.

bryntroll did 5000-5200 over 5min / 3 times
quel delar did a steady 5100 dps over 5min / 3 times

if thats not enough to prove my point, shadow's edge has 50 more dmg + crit and armor pen. and with paladins using DS so much with tier bonus (110% weap dmg) it makes it the ultimate weapons for paladins.

so. shadow's edge will be better without any dubt what so ever. for all classes.

Комментарий от 295357

This was how the weapon got nerfed:

Quote by Lesterman on mmo-champion website.
2010-01-03 05:52:48
Nerf Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter
This weapon does around 250 dps more than other ilvl 258 2h weapons, and that extra dps comes from a proc that STEALS LIFE from opponents...

Bottom line: what the heck were you thinking? This better not be around at the start of the next arena season in its current form.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/22048473487-nerf-bryntroll-the-bone-arbiter.html

Комментарий от 13116

Post nerf it's doing about 4% on my damage now.. ret pally

Комментарий от 222339

This nice 2H axe dropped last friday in a Pug gruop, and a DK tank said it should be for him because of the heal effect.
Obviuosly I said no (ret pally) stating this: in a raid enviroment, this steal will lead to overhealing on a tank, so the proc is kinda useless.
We Dps rolled the item and i lost it to a heroic and toc5-geared fury warrior, but i prefer that rather than giving this to a Dk tank.
it would have been a nice upgrade from ramaladni's, which gives me some useless arPen as retribution

Комментарий от 160838

I see some people comment it lacks armor penetration or hit and crit. I say, screw all that.

These stats are damn near perfect for a Retribution Paladin. ArP and Haste are both terrible for a paladin. A very large portion of dmg already ignore armor and autoattacking is only a relative small part of our dps. And hit? There is so much hit lying around right now im horrible overcapped and i cant find a way to get rid of it so i can use another chestpiece.

Strength and Crit is all a Ret paladin really needs once that hit/exp cap has been hit. And tbh, when you get around that 30% crit you only really want Str on anything. So yay, finally a weapon that isnt loaded with a ton of ArP and stats that mostly fit a Warrior and to lesser extent DK's.

The proc on this thing is awesome as im sure youll have read in the comments before this. Solid dmg, no internal cooldowns, high proc chance. Wouldnt trade it in the world for some crappy ArP.

Комментарий от Athene

I got this today and did some testing to compare it woth Dual-Blade Butcher.
The proccs for retri were nerfed about 3 weeks ago, so I wanted to know how much.
Results after 10 minutes on dummy with each weap:
DPS with DBB: 5066
DPS with Bryntroll: 5353
Drain Life had 137 proccs and did 9,4% of my DPS, that means 503 DPS from the procc alone.
It proccs of melee, judgements, CS and DS. I cant confirm if it proccs off seals.
If it does procc off seals then the procc rate was 10.9%. If it does not then it's 27.5%.

Комментарий от Enaer

To reply to, and possibly add some clarity and more data to Tryptomine's post:

I was farming BRD for enchanting mats (Leveling Enchanting on an alt) and decided to take this time to do some testing since the mobs in there can't kill me and I have time to actively watch the procs:

2. There is NO internal CD on the proc. Or if so, it is less then 2.7 seconds, since I watched it go off on two consecutive melee swings.
-- There is NO cooldown at all. I had it proc on several mobs at once. (also see "#4")

3. It is about a 15% proc rate. This number determined by just standing and auto attacking a dummy for a solid half hour.
-- I had roughly 21% proc rate, but I was killing 20+ mobs at a time.

4. It DOES proc off of skills ...
-- I had it proc off of Icy Touch, Plague Strike (And their dots), when applying and AFTER applying Pestilence, and when using Death and Decay, it would proc on damage from D&D and Diseases. Also from Blood Boil, and secondary target on Heartstrike. Had a few times where it would proc on both attacks (main and secondary) at the same time.

5. The proc CANNOT crit. Not once did it ever crit for me in my extensive testing.
-- Actually, I've had it crit twice now, but it doens't seem to follow the players crit%, as I have a 38% crit chance in my DPS gear, and it only crit twice in two full clears of BRD.

6. The proc CAN miss. It appears to be regarded the same as any other spell and can miss depending on your spell hit or be partially resisted.
-- I didn't have it miss once, but if it missed for you, I'd imagine it can miss. (though, I'm hit capped in both my tanking and DPS set so I dunno)

7. Spell power does not increase the proc's damage. Can't be as sure with this one, since the only spell power I could get was a 46 spell power food, but I found absolutely no noticeable increase in the proc's damage after eating.
-- Haven't tried, but I have a full heirloom SP set I can put on (~250SP) and test, but that's for later.

Комментарий от CallMeVlad911

This item would be just as good for a DK tank as it would be for anyone who wants it for dps.

1) Stamina. If a weapon has high stamina, the DK gets more mileage out of Rune of Stoneskin Gargoyle. This weapon gets flying colors on this one-161 stam is very good, and the 2 sockets can be filled with 30 stamina gems (all sockets should be filled 30 stamina gems anyway, with the occasional exception to get a Metagem bonus.
2) Damage-specifically max damage. Similar to a rogue, a DK's strike abilities do damage based off weapon damage. So the bigger weapon's damage is, the better threat it produces.
Tanks who produce more threat=raid dps doesn't have to hold back=better dps for the raid.
3) Stats for threat (expertise, hit, and to a lesser extent crit and armor pen) aren't nearly as important as weapon damage. Sure, some expertise or hit would be nice to have, but to quote Tankspot's Comprehensive Guide to Death Knight Tanking "weapon DPS will always outweigh the benefit gained from any stats on the weapon for threat output."
4) The proc. Is it a good proc? As far as procs go, yes. It has no internal cooldown, and can proc off most abilities that do damage.
The proc is good for threat-an extra 2k damage pretty often is great. The proc isn't that great for healing though. Any chance on hit abilities are hard to depend on though-and unlike some other abilites, you can't control very well when proc happen. Like some other posters have mentioned, often this ability will cause overheals, but that isn't important, because there's no mana being wasted in the process, unlike overheals from your healer(s). So the proc is really just icing on the cake of a high stam-high dps weapon.

Any dps that thinks a DK tank shouldn't be allowed to roll on this weapon are trying to increase their own chances of winning it at the expense of that tank, plain and simple. Assuming it is a dps increase for the DK tank, just let them roll. If you want the weapon bad enough to screw someone out of their roll on it, form your own raid and reserve it. And always, be smart and consider your alternatives.

Комментарий от danieltang34

apparently its a DK weapon since it looks so cool with fallen crusader and so lame with berserk

Комментарий от 245263

Confirmed that the proc does stack. I've been getting about a 3.5% steady proc rate over the course of an entire ICC25, with 2 of these bad boys I'm now at a proc rate of about 7%.

It appears they are on separate cooldowns.

Комментарий от rodalpho

Bryntroll has been through several rounds of nerfs. As of 3.3.2, the proc is quite rare. In consequence this item is now the worst ilvl 264 2H weapon for ret pallies, DKs, and warriors if you can use most of the itemization on its replacement. For example, if you can regem/gear to use the hit on Cryptmaker without going too far over the hit cap, Cryptmaker is a far better weapon. Shadow's Edge and the Arthas weapons are better in every way.

Note that Bryntroll is still better than ilvl245/258 weapons.

Комментарий от nyy22592

For all you who find this item bad, I'll have you know that the Proc rate is 12% of each melee swing...
BIS for ret pallies according to elitist jerks

Комментарий от 536895

Hunter weapon. Obviously.

Комментарий от 427402

I got this last saturday, and my guildies practically made me switch to UH. I'm glad I did though because now I can do at least 5k in a 10man,compared to 3k. Haven't tried it on a 25man yet, but i expect to see great results.

Комментарий от Warnipplez

Fun fact: You can spell reflect the proc

Комментарий от 245263

For those of you wondering, yes this is good on a fury warrior for dual wielding. Everyone tries to tell me its a waste to have an arbiter in your offhand instead of something like a Ramaladni's. But I pull 10k+ in ICC25 and I've done extensive dummy training and found about a 400dps gap between Ramaladni in my OH and another Bone Arbiter in my OH. the gap of course in favor of the bone arbiter.

reasons why people say I shouldn't OH a bone arbiter
1. the speed
2. the lack of excess stats

reasons why I OH the bone arbiter
1. the top end
2. the strength stacking (which I don't see people doing much of these days)
3. 2x lifesteal proc surprisingly helps your survivability a TON in any raid in which you don't have big boy healers
4. the numbers don't lie, I dps more with it than without it.

Комментарий от Dexer

can anyone say if this procs on ranged attacks, hunter's that is?:)

Комментарий от 134781

Would haste effect this weapon's proc to occur more often?

Комментарий от 548172

Can this proc from rend ticks,deep wounds etc.?

Комментарий от 551149

For the full experience, paste the following into a macro for some BONE STORMING of your own:

/script PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\LordMarrowgar\\IC_Marrowgar_WW01.wav")

Комментарий от 317137

In a 7 minute fight, this thing proc'd 36 times. Roughly 5ppm, doing a total of 4% of my damage at 120k damage, min of 2700, avg of 3300 and max of 3600. As a blood dk, it did more damage than my blood-caked blade.

I like it!

Комментарий от 561364

Picked this up the other day, nice upgrade from Citadel Enforcer's Claymore.

As a ret pally, proc seems to do the intended amount, about 3-4%.

Not a bad PvP weap, either.

Комментарий от 563490

This would be a great weapon if it wasnt for the wack of hit rating or crit rating or expertise rating.But 1 of the best weps in Ice crown citadel is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49919# .

Комментарий от gaudaloht

Best macro ever if u are a warrior arms with that weapon

#showtooltip Bladestorm
/run PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\LordMarrowgar\\IC_Marrowgar_WW01.wav")
/y BOOOOOONE STOOOOOORM!
/CAST Bladestorm

Комментарий от JohnsonQPew

Obviously this is looking ahead just a little bit, but current debates over the proc aside, I think it will make this a very good leveling weapon in the next expansion. We don't know how radically the stat changes are going to impact the reitemization of pre-Cat weapons, but taking what we do know:

1. Even now, this is not an especially difficult weapon to obtain, and it will get even easier to obtain as Wrath winds down and the ICC buff ratchets up. So it's going to be obtainable for toons that are not cutting-edge raiders.

2. Historically, the highest ilevel gear from an expansion have remained fairly competitive until heroic/raid level content in the next expansion. Look at weapons from Hyjal, BT, or early Sunwell as compared to weapons you get leveling in Wrath (or people raiding Naxx in T6). The two gem slots help too as ostensibly leveling weapons won't be socketable and Cataclysm gems will be superior to wrath epic gems. In short even if some late quest rewards beat this the difference won't be crippling for leveling damage.

3. The proc would be very nice for leveling. Anything that restores health is a nice perk to cut downtime. Given the proc rate and lack of cooldown it will be especially good for a grindy (a-la protadin) leveling style, where you round up 10 mobs and kill them all at once.

Комментарий от 573832

I just wanted to confirm that the weapon does proc off of spells. i am a ret paladin and i saw my axe proc off of a judgement. just wanted to throw that out there incase anyone was wondering about this. :)

Комментарий от 309284

The proc on this weapon is affected by +damage% and +healing% buffs, such as tenacity from Wintergrasp.
I've had the drain life heal me for over 10 thousand hit points.

I'm not sure whether healing done is affected by the damage is does. For example, if you're hitting a player wearing PvP gear, does the decreased damage from the proc also reduce the healing it gives you?

Комментарий от 311760

Now the question is, who would have priority on this weapon - DK tank or DPS? DK Tank of course, but that would only brood the hate for DKs.

Комментарий от 582189

This seems like it would be a weapon of choice for pvp stats are amazing....

Комментарий от skylinkdave

I'm a dps blood DK, and I got this last week. Would Herkuml War Token be a good match for this axe? More haste = more white attacks = more procs? Or am I completely wrong? ;)

Also, should I keep this for the rest of my ICC career, or should I still work on getting Shadow's Edge?

Комментарий от trisco2001

Well, it looks like this is my lucky day! I'll take the Boner Biter for eight-hundred.

That's... Mr. Connery, that's BONE ARBITER... Bone... Arbiter... you know that, and that's not cool.

That's what I keep telling your mother, but she just doesn't seem to get it!

Комментарий от felefine

This weapon is a pretty fast weapon and don't have thoose hit/armor penetrating/haste/crit stats. But the life steal is a great add for a Blood Tank Death Knight, cause the blood spec provides much self heal. It is also a great weapon to acually solo stuff.

Комментарий от 613901

Our server calls this baby The Boner Biter.

Комментарий от 582957

this+heroic version on fury warrior with full spec into all healing spells and health+life drain enchants

soloer of the future

Комментарий от Dracovarius

Interesting fact I just discovered and haven't seen mentioned so far is that the Drain Life proc can also proc from Heroic Throw when Bryntroll is equipped in the main hand. I noticed it when I used Heroic Throw on a Plagued Insect critter in Icecrown Citadel. It healed me for 13 hp. :)

Комментарий от 238660

Неретзек, сосущий кровь
If Bryntroll is the mother of all life steals that was definetly the father. Rare drop as well.

Комментарий от 552324

Stealth buffed in 4.0.1 to:
Chance on hit: Steals 3508 life from target enemy.

Комментарий от 697938

as of patch 4.0.1 the proc can crit (tested this as an UH DK it critting is extremely rare as i have 24.63% crit chance and it didnt crit more than once in over 45 minute

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Комментарий от StealthyAssassin

love the proc:)

Комментарий от 991097

Bryntroll is good for a blood DK.. Coz sometimes your strikes have a chance to steal life..even when you don't use strikes the chance on hit still works :)

Комментарий от backsoon

]I got one question, is there something similar as 1h ? Its looks so amazing.(##RESPBREAK##)272##DELIM##Uchur##DELIM##

Комментарий от Venderia987

A great transmog for 2handers, especially Death Knights.

Комментарий от alemeth

This item is also available in 25 Heroic. I just looted it.

Комментарий от pikagod

I don't see this posted anywhere so I figured I'd let everyone know.

This axe, being the normal version actually has MORE stats than the heroic version. Why, I'm not terribly sure, but it happened after the stat squish. For a blood death knight doing timewalking this axe is the number one tank weapon.

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