This is definately no longer a 100% drop

The drop rates on this listed on wowhead are skewed by non-jc kills - they will never see the drop.

Ofc even more skewing is introduced by kills after the design has dropped/been learnt, which will never contain the drop even for a JC.

This means the number on wowhead will never be an accurate representation of the drop chance when farming it - because all kills after the design has dropped will artificially lower the drop rate. This probably explains why the drop rate looks so much lower on some mobs than others - they just get killed more often. You can see this if you look at the number of kills the drop rates are based off.

Presumably, despite the numbers above, the drop rate is actually equal on all the relevant mobs.

My guess based on purely anecdotal evidence (my own farming numbers) is a 1% drop on all of them.

Комментарий от chrisronline

Just got this after 130 kills

Комментарий от lyphe

Got it after 182 kills ...
At least they respawn quickly ... didn't actually take too long.

GL :)

Комментарий от 140351

With armor pen getting an across the board buff in 3.1, and for warriors even more so, and for mace spec warriors even MORE so, I decided to farm this. 87 kills and finally dropped for me. Nascent Val'kyr is a little annoying for melee classes; like most airborne mobs they drift around behind you or stop short to cast. Overall though, much easier to farm this recipe then say Savory Deviate Delight and hopefully will make me some gold when 3.1 comes out and ArP becomes useful......

Edit: PS - keep the dust they drop for 2 reasons- 1) helps you keep track of how many Val'kyr you killed, and 2) sells for about 14g per stack to vendor

Комментарий от 94939

32 Effing kills. Ugh.

Комментарий от Ittogami

Guess I got lucky, kill #7 got me the design.

Комментарий от 280096

Dropped for me after 158 kills.

Комментарий от salvoroni

For melee classes, I recommend getting on your flying mount to aggro a few. It is easier and quicker than using shoot/throw.

Комментарий от 342756

Dropped after 12 kills for me.

Комментарий от Kinni

over 300 kills no drop yet.

Комментарий от 9538

dropped after about 50 kills , made over 50g in trash loot and got the bitter anquish trinket boe epic to world drop sells for 5k gold my server.

Комментарий от jbwest

137 kills, kind of annoying.

Комментарий от Dallmine

47 kills here.

Комментарий от 341185

I killed 50 and came back to check what the drop rate was, feeling pretty discouraged. Since it's 0.5% for everyone, and I sincerely doubt that half of all toons who kill these valkyr are jewelcrafters, it's definitely over 1% drop rate. And probably closer to 2% or more. If you're interested in what I think the real drop-rate is and how I came to that conclusion, read on:

According to this website, http://www.lsmason.com/blog/2007/05/15/profession-and-skill-popularity/, as of May 2007 (very out of date, yes, but still interesting), Jewelcrafting was the least popular profession with 8.8% of the population being Jewelcrafters. Mining and herbalism were the two most popular professions possessed by an astounding 36.3% and 29.9% of the population. I doubt the distribution has gotten more skewed in either direction than this with the addition of more professions and better balancing between them. In fact, I bet it has normalized somewhat and the highest percentages have dropped closer to 100% divided by the number of professions (3 gathering professions plus 8 production professions) all times 2 because you can have 2 primary professions, or ~18.2%. If ~18.2% of the Nascent Vrykul killing population was JCs, this design would have a true drop rate of 2.74%. Furthermore, characters at or near the maximum level will possess more crafting skills than those at the very beginning. Also, Jewelcrafting is often considered one of the best professions, so I would surmise that this number has not only gone up but is higher for those at or near 80, but it is doubtful to have reached as much as the peak of the popularity of gathering professions of old. So it could be greater than 8.8% but I sincerely doubt as much as 30%. In the case of 10% of the population who kill Nascent Valkyrs, the true drop rate for Jewelcrafters (hereafter, JCs) would be 5%. If this sample of the population were as much as 25% JCs the true drop rate for JCs would be 2%. I don't think it's that high, like I said it'd probably be closer to ~18.2%, so between 10% and ~18.2% of the population being JC or 2.74%-5% and given some rough probability calculations based on what people have said here, I think 3% is very close.

So, after killing 50 vrykuls, I came back discouraged and killed some more. 3 vykul later and I am the proud new owner of Design: Fractured Scarlet Ruby. Thank you.

Комментарий от Arcage

I stopped off to farm these at lunch, and it dropped from the 14th mob.
sorry to hear others are having a harder time at it.

Комментарий от 362410

Well, it took me 145 kills to get this thing to drop. As much as I hate farming, I actually found the grind to be worth it in the end. Not only did I get a shiney new JC design, the Dissolved Soul Essences these lovely ladies drop (at a 100% rate) stack up to 20 times. One stack = 15g sell if I recall correctly, give or take. I ended up with over 100g after killing them all just from the junk, plus the other random greens and other assorted nonsense. All in all, a little less than 200g. Happy farming!

Комментарий от lehearts

Took about 1.5 hours of farming. I was the only JC farming, and killed about 120 of them before it dropped.
Made ~100g selling just the grey trash drops.
-20 relic of ulduar
-3 green armor/weapon drops
-50 Frostweave cloth

Комментарий от Kc7vwc

Not the most helpful post, but putting in a warning to others farming - don't expect quick result.
2 days and counting so far. Over 300g made from the Dissolved Soul Essence alone but no pattern yet.

Комментарий от Bizerk

Took me about 15minutes to get it to drop, during this time I made 30gold just from gray drops.

Комментарий от 141088

Took me 60 kills exactly...not too bad, making 65s per dissolved soul essence(100% drop) Very annoying for melee to farm though :(

Комментарий от 194950

readed here.. saw the drop rate, got my self a beer, popcorns and was rdy for 1-2 hours mindless grind.

4 kills and it dropped :)

GL there :)

Комментарий от MonthOLDpickle

Got mine in 5 drops.

Комментарий от 33465

I killed about 650 of them and that freaking design didn't drop. Even with extreme bad luck it shouldn't take THAT long. Just to be sure, I checked my JWC and ... what a surprise ... I've already learned that pattern! :) It must have dropped while I was questing in that area, I learned it and totally forgot about it :-D

Lesson to learn: Check your jewelcrafting, you may have already learned it while doing quests there.

Комментарий от Kc7vwc

Checked my JC 'spellbook' only thing in there close to it is Fractured Bloodstone. i'm 431 JC but I only need 390 to learn it so it should drop.

Комментарий от Kellathon

Took me about 250 kills to get. I got a ton of the soul essences, banking a couple hundred gold with them, lots of grey armour/weapons, getting around 30g with them, 2 greens which were vendored for a couple gold each and the epic trinket (o_O) which is currently sitting in my Trinket #2 slot :)

Happy farming!

Комментарий от 305091

The drop rates on these seem to be about 4% now, here are my results for the four BoP patterns which are zone drops:

Defender's Twilight Opal
No drop count, got this first while doing JC daily

Accurate Monarch Topaz
21 kills, easiest to farm since I went for Stoic Mammoths which have a short respawn time and I could just AOE down a pack of them.

Fractured Scarlet Ruby
23 kills, only one choice of mob for obtaining this recipe.

Radiant Forest Emerald
27 kills, both types of mobs, just rode down the valley killing every harpy I saw.

Комментарий от mercutiouk

Dropped mine on kill #131.

Just keep at it in the area, it will come.

As a small tip, fly through the 4 together out the front of the bigger building for fast kills (melee/tanks only i'd think tho).

Комментарий от Frankwhite

Can verify killed 121 to get the pattern on 6/4/09

Комментарий от 219322

I actually got mine within a few kills, so the drop rate isnt as low as it would seem. I didnt kill more than 10 mobs of each before the pattern dropped for me.

Edit: The mammoths took me about 70ish kills to get the pattern to drop.

Комментарий от GarnetAngel

I killed 100 in one day with no luck. Came back the following day and got it on my 80th kill. So 180 kills in all. I was the only one both days.

Комментарий от 393881

Got myself ready for an hour or two of farming for this recipe, came to their spawn point, 5 kills later I had the recipe. Probably just luck though.

Комментарий от Zephira

Dunno if they changed DR on it but after 13 kills i got DCed and after i came back first kill i got it so 14 kills in 30 min I may just be lucky tho

Комментарий от 410502

Damn I must have been lucky, I killed 10 of them and got it lol. Me and my druid buddy went out there expecting to be out there for an hour or 2, I was really happy to see it in the 3rd pack we pulled.

Комментарий от subx3r0

Killed a few less then 50 or so, just finished killing 3 and forgot to loot, and over pulled the next pack of mobs without healing and died, flew back to my body and rezzed, looted the 3 bodies and got the design plus a BoE blue.

Комментарий от 403553

200 kills later.....

Комментарий от Kiliana

Between me and a friend we got it in about 150 for both of us.
First came in 4 kills second at about 150.

Комментарий от 255254

I've been extremely lucky and got in on my 4th kill.

Комментарий от BGG34

2nd Time through the town, about 29-30kills, not a bad rate.

Комментарий от 307735

haha 3 kills and boom

Комментарий от kasika

30 or so kills and about 40g worth of greys to vendor.

Комментарий от 427415

Took me 2 mins, 9-10 kills which i aoed pretty easily.

Комментарий от 266998

killed 42 mobs and got my recipie

Комментарий от 426024

If you want this design but don't got a flying mount you can get to Valkyrion (the village in which you can find the Nascent Val'kyrs) by going to 81.66 in Icecrown and walk up to the ledge (see this picture, it can be a bit tricky) and then follow the path up to south. At 83.68 you gonna have to make a little jump down. Only a few yard forward you gonna have to jump again and this time it is really important that you run close to the mountain wall, otherwise you will fall down. Now follow the path to north and when it ends turn right and jump down. After the jump you just have to turn left and follow the path up to Rohmedal Pass and from there I think you can find your way to Valkyrion by yourself.

I got the design with my level 74 warlock earlier today after killing about 40-50 Nascent Val'kyrs.

P.S. I actually don't know if this is against Blizzard's rules (I have really hard to belive so though) but you do this at your own risk.

Комментарий от 309757

Killed about 50 of them and the design dropped. Then as I left the village, Vyragosa payed me a visit :D.

Комментарий от 432746

48 kills and it dropped. Made short work of them as a hunter so it wasn't much of a grind at all.

Комментарий от 73271

After doing some research on droprate, i started farming this design. My killcount is 300 atm, and still no sign of the design... I doublechecked the name of the mobs i was killing and the droprate % taking Insolent1's math in consideration (also doublechecked that, it checks out). Has anybody heard of recent changes to this design?

Комментарий от Venroh

Killed around 10 before it dropped. Was pleasantly surprised. If you're lucky like me farming this will be no problem for you.

Комментарий от Weava

Umm this took only about 10 minutes while i was talking in vent to find this. Killed maybe about 30, just flew grabbed a couple, and finally i grabbed a pack of 7 and a few of those other chicks on the ground and Walah! Glad I didn't have to buy it or something. :)

Комментарий от 459315

Took me 48 kills and some 15 minutes just now. It ain't too hard to farm :)

Комментарий от mdcwdzies

I was told by my former GM I needed Armor Penetration (I laughed because I knew it was getting nerfed with 3.2.2) So being a JC i figured I would go and try and farm this. I arrived at the scene and killed for about 5 minutes (rogue and looked at poison timers). I got the drop after my 12th kill. I turned around and sold the grey trash for 16g!
So I go back here now with my DK and farm the trash loot, get greens, blues (chestplate), and relics. I am making over 200g an hour here with my 80 DK.

Комментарий от Horsekebab

Took me 90 kills

Комментарий от rieperx

I'm not sure if this has changed or I was just extremely lucky but I went to farm this pattern today and it dropped on my 4th kill. I was prepared for a really long grind.

Комментарий от foxheart

I got this to drop after 208 kills. This happened within a week of posting this comment.

Комментарий от 174896

I farmed 60 val'kyr before this dropped. It took me about 15 minutes.

Previous comments post the following kill counts:
1/45, 1/300, 1/64 ,1/48, 1/90, 1/4, 1/208, 1/60

Napkin math says about 1/102 on average. Not counting the outliers, I think ~1/60 is more accurate. Don't expect to spend all day on this.

Комментарий от 81890

Took exactly 85 kills to get this for me.

Комментарий от Eachon

Took 32 kills to drop. I was the only one farming.

100% chance to drop Dissolved Soul Essence which sells 13g60s a stack.

Комментарий от Thefez

Took me just 3 kills. Gotta love that RNG <3

Комментарий от 549409

I found this off Nascent Val'Kyr, I hear its a low drop rate but i got mine after 10min of w8ing for a VoA10 group to fill. All i did was fly around aggroing a few of them and aoeing them down. Pick up the grays and sell them.

Комментарий от Azorius

Dropped on my 71st kill. I wasnt the only one out there, but it still only took about 20 mins as an Ele shaman.

Комментарий от 221673

In a group with one other person, had to kill 104 of the Nascent Val'Kyr before it dropped.

Комментарий от bwirum

Some designs are only available through drops, this is one of them.

All blue regular drop-only gem designs:
The Storm Peaks:
Design: Accurate Monarch Topaz - Mammoths in The Storm Peaks
Design: Defender's Twilight Opal - Stormforged dwarves in The Storm Peaks
Design: Fractured Scarlet Ruby - Nascent Val'kyr in Storm Peaks
Design: Radiant Forest Emerald - Frostfeathers in The Storm Peaks

Boss drops:
Design: Deadly Monarch Topaz - Keristraza, The Nexus (Heroic only)
Design: Deft Monarch Topaz - Shonnir the Ironshaper, Halls of Stone (Heroic only)
Design: Fierce Monarch Topaz - Ingvar the Plunderer, Utgarde Keep (Heroic only)
Design: Infused Twilight Opal - Anub'arak, Azjol-Nerub (Heroic only)
Design: Precise Scarlet Ruby - Herald Volazj, Ahn'kahet: The Old Kingdom (Heroic only)
Design: Thick Autumn's Glow - Cyanigosa, The Violet Hold (Heroic only)
Design: Timeless Forest Emerald - The Propeht Tharon'ja, The Drak'Tharon Keep (Heroic only)

Bind on Equip World drops (buy at AH):
Design: Champion's Monarch Topaz - World drop (BoE)
Design: Etched Monarch Topaz - World drop (BoE)
Design: Inscribed Monarch Topaz - World drop (BoE)
Design: Misty Forest Emerald - World drop (BoE)
Design: Purified Twilight Opal - World drop (BoE)
Design: Resolute Monarch Topaz - World drop (BoE)
Design: Shining Forest Emerald - World drop (BoE)
Design: Sovereign Twilight Opal - World drop (BoE)
Design: Stalwart Monarch Topaz - World drop (BoE)
Design: Tenuous Twilight Opal - World drop (BoE)

All meta drop-only designs:
Boss drops:
Design: Austere Earthsiege Diamond - King Ymiron, Utgarde Pinnacle (Normal and Heroic)
Design: Bracing Earthsiege Diamond - Cache of Eregos, The Oculus (Normal and Heroic)
Design: Eternal Earthsiege Diamond - Loken, Halls of Lightning (Normal and Heroic)

Bind on Equip World drops (buy at AH):
Design: Beaming Earthsiege Diamond - World drop (BoE)
Design: Destructive Skyflare Diamond - World drop (BoE)
Design: Thundering Skyflare Diamond - World drop (BoE)

Комментарий от 266904

Found this design today after 105 kills.

Комментарий от 532081

dropped me pretty easy, had to kill only 12. :)

Комментарий от Pappi

Took me 173 kills to get mine. I have to admit, I was starting to get really frustrated trying to get this. But, it'll more than make up for it by selling gems and getting my Rogue and Druid some cuts.
For a Ret Pally, obviously, the mobs werent very hard to kill. I would flying mount and fly around, agro'ing multiple ones flying about, and AoE down. If you go around Valkyrion in a clockwise motion, by the time you get back to where you started, the mobs should have respawned. Quick respawn rate, but seems to be a terrible drop rate.

Комментарий от 245629

Got after 129 kills. Almost gave up 'cause you can just buy epic.

Комментарий от 464696

Took me 65 kills.

Комментарий от mrkorb

First kill. You may all hate me and rate down this post in revenge now. :P

Комментарий от Mazolek

Got mine while ago after 132 Valkyries :)

Комментарий от 18431

Prepared for the long grind...pulled a mob of two and it dropped from the first one looted. :-)

Комментарий от Shielda

Ok this is kinda crazy i started farming about 6pm server time and about three kills in i get this epic that ive never heard of called tears of bitter anguish i was like cool i can go sell that after i get done farming for this stupid design, anyway 2 hours later im still farming and i get another one! im like "what are the odds of that?", turns out these mobs are the only mobs to drop tears of bitter anguish, so good luck farming this design you might just get a nice surprise while you do!

Комментарий от kortik9

didn't count kills, but took me around 10 mins to get it

Комментарий от wowdrakon

Killed 104 of these before the pattern dropped.

Surely a low percentage, but attainable, so don't lose hope if you feel like you are killing a lot.

Комментарий от 692672

Has anyone tried farming this since 4.0.1? I know it use to be the Armor Pen cut so I'm not sure if the new version of the gem would still drop..I've been farming maybe 200+ kills so far and still nothing. If anyone can confirm this dropping since the patch, I would appreciate it.

Комментарий от Avatar720

~210 Kills thus far over the space of a few days (got bored after ~40 yesterday and ~40 the day before, but i'm determined today, and am at 130 straight kills today alone) and still no drop. What's up with the drop-rate of this thing? All the other designs dropped after less than 20 kills (took me 1 for the mammoth design)...

EDIT: Updated kills - 260 (~340 total) today and still no drop.

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