If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Комментарий от Qoko

If you want to max your Груда ржавого металлолома yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Разумно организованные идеи. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Сортировка утиля. This sort of makes sense, but Разборка изобретения also gives about 15 Груда ржавого металлолома on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Разборка изобретения takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Сортировка утиля will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Разумно организованные идеи) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Дефектная спасательная капсула: Изобретение and Сортировка утиля give me Прототип дефектной спасательной капсулы consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Нераспознаваемый прототип that you can Разборка изобретения at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Комментарий от lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Комментарий от selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Сортировка утиля, taught by their profession trainer.
Сортировка утиля will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Изобретение, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Разборка изобретения can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Нераспознаваемый прототип), generating up to 10 Груда ржавого металлолома and Нацарапанные в спешке записки.
Нацарапанные в спешке записки create Разумно организованные идеи, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Сортировка утиля, Изобретение, and Разборка изобретения.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Нераспознаваемый прототип, they directly receive Нацарапанные в спешке записки.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Разборка изобретения ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Изобретение also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Нацарапанные в спешке записки (not recyclable), Сортировка утиля becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Разумно организованные идеи does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Разумно организованные идеи to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Разумно организованные идеи , you will cease to receive Нацарапанные в спешке записки completely.
Сортировка утиля will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Изобретение will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Сортировка утиля: 8
Discovery - Изобретение Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Разборка изобретения!

Discovery from Разумно организованные идеи: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Разумно организованные идеи.
Discovery Requirement - Goggles: 4
Discovery Requirement - Profession Gear: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracers: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

Комментарий от Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

Комментарий от Eillesthis

Груда ржавого металлолома > Сортировка утиля, or Изобретение (better) > Prototypes you can use to learn, or... > Разборка изобретения > more scrap and Нацарапанные в спешке записки > Разумно организованные идеи > pick one of three schematics to learn

There are 14 prototypes, plus the Нераспознаваемый прототип which can be turned into one of the fourteen. Once you've learned all 14, Scour Through Scrap/Invent goes straight to Hastily Scrawled Notes.

Комментарий от Chaugernaut

i just noticed today i was getting instead of the soulbound one. those are warbounds so im guessing since i have nothing new to learn its a way to help alts learn recipe faster ?

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