WoW raiding, why so serious?

Сообщение от dhampir1989

Games are about having fun and relaxing (I don't play WoW to be stressed). Not about progress, achievement and completion - they are just statistics and numbers inside a computer.
You should definitely speak for yourself. A TON of people have fun by progressing, doing achievements, and completing certain encounters in the game. I would guess-timate the majority of people fall into this category.

Then again there are also groups of people who like to epicly wipe in instances & raids all day long and consider that fun. They love Leerooy Jenkin's type strategies, etc that lead to large repair bills and hours of res'ing people. If you fall under that category, you should definitely find an "Epic Fail" type guild to join and run with. Chances are though that you won't find too many members.
Well thats the false dichotomy of the year.

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Сообщение от dashihawk

What I don't get is that people think the only way to have fun is to take a complete, "laissez faire" attitude about the game. Why? Why is putting forth effort and striving to be the best such a bad thing? Why is taking your role in a group "seriously" a negative connotation?

No, the game isn't important. I just argue that something doesn't have to be important to care about.

I agree. I don't LIVE WoW. I do play it and I do get a little bit of satisfaction when I top DPS meters. I also get some satisfaction when I lead a raid through naxx 25 with no wipes and only a couple of people dying.

Сообщение от Champ527

Yea I agree wow is just a game and people get to serious about it, but a few things.

1. Vent is needed for raids pure and simple, however it was wrong of them to get you saved then kick you for it.

2. Gear doesnt have to be perfect but good enough so your pulling your weight. It is a game and its supposed to be fun. It is not fun pulling someone in blues in greens through 25 mans when you worked your butt off in heroics and 10 mans getting geared and they think they can just skip that phase of the game.

I agree people get to serious though and mistakes happen, and its still just a game and people need to not be so arrogant.

Сообщение от dhampir1989

Yea I agree wow is just a game and people get to serious about it, but a few things.

1. Vent is needed for raids pure and simple, however it was wrong of them to get you saved then kick you for it.Horrifically untrue. My guild did a combined 25 man with another 10 man guild, we had all left vent by the second pull, it was a minefield of inaudible comments and unneccessary tactics.

2. Gear doesnt have to be perfect but good enough so your pulling your weight. It is a game and its supposed to be fun. It is not fun pulling someone in blues in greens through 25 mans when you worked your butt off in heroics and 10 mans getting geared and they think they can just skip that phase of the game.

I agree people get to serious though and mistakes happen, and its still just a game and people need to not be so arrogant.The wisest thing some Ive disagreed with in this topic has said.What I don't get is that people think the only way to have fun is to take a complete, "laissez faire" attitude about the game. Why? Why is putting forth effort and striving to be the best such a bad thing? Why is taking your role in a group "seriously" a negative connotation?

No, the game isn't important. I just argue that something doesn't have to be important to care about.

THE DICHOTOMY IS BACK!

*runs in fear*

Seriously, its not a choice between "super focused and driven" or "wipe-fest". There is a happy medium between OCD about perfect performance, and being splatted by trash. The OCD crowd dont like that, so they hush it up.

Сообщение от Lorkin

Seriously, its not a choice between "super focused and driven" or "wipe-fest". There is a happy medium between OCD about perfect performance, and being splatted by trash. The OCD crowd dont like that, so they hush it up.

Well I think the OP wasn't talking about perfect performance. Most of us hope for a clean run so we don't spend hours and hours in Naxx. Last time I checked, time was pretty valuable for most people. Wasting it because someone messed up on a boss is one thing, but wiping to trash is another. The way the OP tells his stories, he's got trouble navigating the map! When you can't even get into the fight because you weren't paying attention, that's a new level of fail imo.

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Сообщение от FritzTheCat

So okay. I'm going to sum up for those who clicked about the original post and don't wanna read the back-and-forth flamefests that make up the previous 5 pages.

~Why Raiding is Taken So Seriously~
If you are in a Raiding Group/Guild, you are dedicating time along with 9-24 other players dedicating time to completing a goal. Yes its meant to be fun, but it is not fun when there is 1 person ruining it for everyone with bad mistakes - hence people will get booted if they turn their back to a boss while tanking more than once, stand in the fire too often, not doing your job upto standards, etc etc.... especially when those other 9-24 people are doing their jobs.

This gets taken to extremes one way or the other; some raid leaders are more forgiving than others, some less. Like any game involving groups, it depends on the people involved, their attitudes, the groups' overall level of gear and skill, etc....

If you are in a raid PuG - all bets are off. The subjectivity of a PuG raid's attitudes and behaviors is billions of times more erratic and unpredictable than say, a dedicated raiding guild/groups. I was once booted from a PuG raid because I rolled on a piece of gear that was a main-spec upgrade for me. I didn't win it - I got booted for ROLLING. (was a tanking belt for a tanking toon.)

The best players of this game are the fun, friendly ones who've achieved a balance between WoW and their real lives. Getting to play with these people consistantly should give you a sense of responsibility; That is, doing your best not to waste their time and ruin their experience by being that idiot standing in the flames.

The Bottom Line:

The standards that raiders expect from people are to prevent wasted time and effort for the group as a whole. You will live up to them or the group will not tolerate it.
For pick-up groups, do not take anything for granted - know that you're risking a bad save.

Сообщение от ironblades

wipes are more expensive then a some poeple belive, 15 g repair per wipe, 10-15 mins to get everyone rebuffed and back to that point, thats another 15 g (time that you could be doing dailies) food buffs 2-3g per, wasted time on your battle elixir, even reagents for buffs it all adds up.

the fact that a full nax clear takes a couple of hours, means a person whose making stupid mistakes at start are just going toget worse as they get tired later on.

I still like these rules that i saw on these forums for raiding i believe for 25 naxx

less than 1k dps overall to that point = no loot, if your the only person who roles you still don't get loot it gets sharded.
- the idea is your being carried completly

1500 dps you automaticaly get a role of 1 on the loot,

2k dps + you get your normal role.

1500 dps is what the tanks are doing, if you can't beat tanks in dps you realy shouldn't be doing the raid,

2k dps is not that hard to get at all, as a feral tank (almost no dps talent) i can still pull 1900 dps in 10 mans as cat in tank gear (almost no hit raiting). so something that is meant for dps only should be able to do much better than that.

Сообщение от Lorkin

Hey Lorkin and nycgangsta. I'm not sure if u are both dpsers, but judging healing with just looking on healing meters is silly. Some fight have big aoe dmg, where shamans and druids shine, some not.

I'm RET pally myself, always using judgment of light in raids - i'm not sure if you've ever seen healing charts from Sapphiron or Ignis with 6-7k buffed/proccing AP Ret paladin judging light with a lot of melee dps. Almost always topping meters there, on Ignis with x2 healing than our best holy pala, who came second on chart.

Does that mean that i'm great healer, our healers are slacking or just fight benefits from some (judgment) specific class utilities?

I think the OP was talking about Naxx 25. I'm assuming it's a PUG, so you have a run of the mill Ret Paladin beating out a Resto Druid in Naxx 25. That should never ever happen at all. The only excuse was if the Resto Druid was on auto follow for a majority of the time. He also mentioned that the Resto Druid was last on the meters. This was pre 3.1 nerf too. Why is he defending this sort of behavior? Hey, I have off nights too but those nights I don't join a raid and go afk. If I did, people die or wait around forever for me or we'd have a wipe eventually.

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Сообщение от Zamfix

Because I want to get the raid done and don't want stupid, avoidable mistakes preventing that.

Its not that its so serious, its that if you're not going to try to succeed, then don't raid.

Сообщение от phoenixdown

Raiding is just as fun as casual playing, it's just a more challenging kind of entertainment. The real hard part is to find a group or guild that you're comfortable playing with.

After you've found a good group to raid with, the rest falls into place. In my experience, raiders want to do the best they can, whether that's to prove to themselves or to the rest of the raid that they belong in there. If you're in the raid and not very good at your role, that leads me to believe that you're not there to challenge yourself or to have fun, but you're there for the loot or the achievements.

It really doesn't take too much to be good at this game. Just remember, a player's attitude is his/her most precious asset! Stay positive and never stop improving upon your style.

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Сообщение от Interest

For raiding, I personally look to have fun and perhaps even earn myself some loot.

Idiotic party members do not suit me. I can tolerate people who leave and such though, even if it slows down the raid, because some people just have to go.

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Сообщение от airtonix

I'm not having fun when I'm not with a group of focused, skilled & aware people.

WoW raiding, why so serious?

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