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Quest
Stat Weights for Retribution as follows:
Statistic Name | Score | Notes
---------------+-------+-------
Weapon Speed | ~1200 | Every 0.1 second
slower
Pure DPS | 554 | This is pure DPS on the tooltip of the weapon.
Hit | 125 | Caps: 263 PvE & 164 PvP
Strength | 100 | Divine Strength and a 1.1x buff modifier.
Expertise | 83 | Caps: 214 PvE & 492 PvE
Crit Rating | 60 | Agi to crit% ratio when 1.1x mod is in effect
Agility | 58 | This number reflects a 1.1x buff modifier.
Attack Power | 39.5 | Relationship to Str, when DS + 1.1x mod to str is active.
Haste | 38 | Make it.
Armor Pen | 27 | Effects roughly 40% of total damage.
Spell Power | 11 | Do not want
ALERT
: These weights are generalized around a moderately geared uncapped character with gear averaging i219.
ALERT 2
:Agility/Crit got a slight boost. All agility/crit weapons will have a slightly higher number. I'll update them sometime.
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For a full list check my
Retribution Weightings
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Suggest a weapon to add!
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Added a 'real' dps indicator for each weapon so I have something more useful than what wowhead already provides. If you see a mistake in calculations, harass me, i'll fix eventually.
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Added simple drop information
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Made this section smaller.
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Sorted by 'real' DPS
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Added Ramaladni's Blade of Culling
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Agility and Crit slightly altered to closer reflect later game weight. Arithmetic in progress
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Edge of Ruin
Champion's Cache - Trial of the Champion (H) 13%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 121 | 12100
Crit | 62 | 3100
ArP | 76 | 2052
DPS | 212.3 | 117,614
Speed | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
176,866
Actual Weapon DPS:
319.2
Marrowstrike
Confessor's Cache - Trial of the Champion (H) 11%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 20 | 2000
Crit | 57 | 2850
ArP | 60 | 1620
Agi | 106 | 5141
AP | 154 | 6083
DPS | 212.3 | 117,614
Speed | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
177,308
Actual Weapon DPS:
320.1
Mourning Malice
The Captain's Chest - Halls of Reflection (N) 24%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 114 | 11,400
Crit | 67 | 3,350
Exp | 73 | 6,059
DPS | 212.3 | 117,614
Speed | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
180,423
Actual Weapon DPS:
325.7
Garfrost's Two-Ton Hammer
Forgemaster Garfrost - Pit of Saron (N)
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 133 | 13300
Crit | 98 | 4900
Haste | 53 | 2014
DPS | 212.2 | 117,559
Swing | 3.6 | 43,200
+ -------
182,118
Actual Weapon DPS:
328.7
Edge of Agony
Fjola Lightbane - Trial of the Crusader 8%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 20 | 2,000
Agi | 112 | 5,432
Haste | 62 | 2,356
AP | 183 | 7,228
ArP | 86 | 2,322
DPS | 232.6 | 128,860
Speed | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
188,198
Actual Weapon DPS:
343.3
Tyrannical Beheader
Scourgelord Tyrannus - Pit of Saron (H)
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 149 | 14,900
Haste | 92 | 3,496
AmP | 53 | 1,431
DPS | 232.6 | 128,860
Swing | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
190,687
Actual Weapon DPS:
344.2
Orca-Hunter's Harpoon
Marwyn - Halls of Reflection (H)
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Agi | 112 | 5432
Str | 20 | 2000
Crit | 66 | 3300
Hit | 84 | 10500
AP | 183 | 7228
DPS | 232.5 | 128,805
Swing | 3.4 | 40,800
+ -------
198,065
Actual Weapon DPS:
357.5
Edge of Agony
- Heroic
Fjola Lightbane - Trial of the Grand Crusader 9%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 40 | 4,000
Agi | 120 | 7,200
Haste | 63 | 2,394
AP | 206 | 8,137
ArP | 97 | 2,619
DPS | 255.6 | 141,602
Speed | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
207,952
Actual Weapon DPS:
375.3
Sharpened Obsidian Edged Blade
Ony - 25m - 7%
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 146 | 14,600
Crit | 69 | 3,450
Exp | 103 | 8,549
DPS | 255.6 | 141,602
Swing | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
210,201
Actual Weapon DPS:
379.4
Quel'Delar, Ferocity of the Scorned
Quest
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Agi | 144 | 6,984
Crit | 99 | 4,950
AP | 197 | 7,781
ArP | 91 | 2,457
DPS | 267.4 | 148,140
Swing | 3.4 | 40,800
+ -------
211,112
Actual Weapon DPS:
381.1
Quel'Delar, Might of the Faithful
Quest
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 164 | 16,400
Crit | 99 | 4,950
Haste | 91 | 3,458
DPS | 267.2 | 148,028
Swing | 3.6 | 43,200
+ -------
216,036
Actual Weapon DPS:
390
Ramaladni's Blade of Culling
Deathbringer's Cache - ICC 10(N)
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 188 | 18,800
Exp | 91 | 7,553
ArP | 83 | 1,992
DPS | 267.3 | 148,084
Swing | 3.5 | 42,000
+ -------
218,429
Actual Weapon DPS:
394.2
Citadel Enforcer's Claymore
Lord Marrowgar - ICC 10(N)
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 176 | 17,600
Crit | 76 | 3,800
Hit | 103 | 12,875
DPS | 267.4 | 148,139
Swing | 3.4 | 40,800
+ -------
223,214
Actual Weapon DPS:
402.9
Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter
- Normal
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 209 | 20,900
DPS | 294.7 | 163,263
Swing | 3.4 | 40,800
Proc | ~2ppm | +75dps
+ -------
224,963
Actual Weapon DPS:
481
(depends highly on proc)
Bryntroll, the Bone Arbiter
- Heroic
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str | 245 | 24,500
DPS | 325.7 | 180,437
Swing | 3.4 | 40,800
Proc | ~2ppm | +84dps
+ -------
245,737
Actual Weapon DPS:
528
(depends highly on proc)
Shadowmourne
-
Quest
Stat | Value | Score
------+-------+-------
Str |
471
| 47,100 <- LoL
Crit | 114 | 5,700
AmP | 114 | 3,078
DPS | 344.1 | 190,631
Swing | 3.7 | 44,400
Proc | 10ppm | 33dps *Provide links if you have better information
+ -------
290,909
Actual Weapon DPS:
558.1
Сообщение от
svirve
Oooh me like!
Give us a few moar wipons and i'd have to say this is sticky worthy.
Сообщение от
Overhaul
/agreed
This looks like it will be worth seeing in the stickies. The stat weights alone made me learn the importance of a slow weapon.
Сообщение от
424512
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Сообщение от
Monday
I like it so far, sometimes it's hard for me to decide what weapons better. Maybe its just cause I'm not a math/numbers person. Although to be fair I do pretty good dps
Сообщение от
Quest
If anyone knows of two or more weapons that people are having issues deciding with *coughedgeofruinmarrowstrike* let me know ill put them up.
Also this is aimed more at 5-10man normal in general where youre likely to have at least a 1.1x stat buff.
I can retool the weights, but I think its easier to just assume if a weapon is ahead by 5 or so "real" DPS, then its doubtful it will fall behind the next lower weapon.
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366392
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Сообщение от
Quest
If anyone knows of two or more weapons that people are having issues deciding with *coughedgeofruinmarrowstrike* let me know ill put them up.
I was having trouble deciding whether to grab
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50761
to replace my
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49498
. I don't need any of the hit from the Claymore, and that combined with the 3.4 speed caused me to just pass it to another guildie, but I'm wondering whether it is even worth picking up or if I should just wait on something better. Problem is, most of the other ICC weapons seem to be less than ideal as well.
Added.
Also note, this is going to include the hit. So if you cant arrange your gear so that the weapons meet their full power, youre usually going to want to skip ahead to 258. And even then if a weapon had a big chunk or exp, esp hit that youre not going to use its going to be a small upgrade. Better to arrange your gemming/other pieces.
The two weapons are almost identical if the +hit is irrelevant.
Сообщение от
239153
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Сообщение от
Quest
Excellent post Quest, a few more weapons and it will certainly be sticky-worthy. On that note, might I suggest
Quel'Delar
? I think quite a few people would like to see how it measures up compared to both the ICC10 drop you listed and the 245 Obsidian Edged Blade.
And also I would like to say thankyou, since you have just stopped me from farming the Tyranical Beheader for my offspec when I already have the Orca Hunter
Edit: I was gonna post this in the stat weightings thread, but I might as well put it here. Do you (or anyone else) know how the stat weightings might look if you are lucky enough to get the 2pc t10? I read somewhere that Elitistjerks saw it putting ArP above haste for us, due to DS spam.
Added.
With the DS thing, it all depends on the encounter. If its trash, then you may get the full extend of the 2p. If its a boss, then you may find yourself with double the DS spam-ability, and quite less in the area of available space in a rotation to use them all (GCD conflicts, keeping debuffs and dots up etc)). Therefor, even if they were to figure out the amount it improved ArP (and haste too in this case), its not going to be consistent and thus much of the improvement is theoretical and not practical.
If ArP creeps up close to agility then I wouldn't be surprised to see haste going to past AP.
GG Blizzard for making rogue gear even better for Paladins than it already was?
Edit:
Also ArP needs to be stacked to be anygood. If you have like 10% ArP, its going to be worth nothing, even with the the 2p. You need to have like 400 rating already
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179128
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Сообщение от
Quest
Id go with the axe.
Сообщение от
svirve
Gratz quest, #2 sticky and #2 ret sticky =)
Aww-sum work.
Сообщение от
424512
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Сообщение от
Quest
Shadowmourne is kind of the S H I T
50 gold!
Also that proc is an average of 180 str. I just dont know if it takes 10sec to stack or a min.
Сообщение от
pezz
Someone needs to test if it procs off CS, DS, Judge, etc. 'Weapon swings' tends to mean auto attacks though, I thought.
Of course, however quickly it stacks the average strength given is going to be the same (hooray for averages). But if it procs off of most of our attacks that 2k damage might actually happen often enough to be very slightly useful. You'd also have to wonder if it's modified by AP, SP, or at all.
One thing I know for sure though, if it's modified by spellpower, we're going to become the stereotypical idiot melee class that always takes spellpower.
Edit: Of course all of this is sort of pointless since it'll be the best available (ha) weapon for ret regardless, but it would be nice to know by how much.
Сообщение от
Ryuji2
Eh? Why is the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore valued more than Quel'Delar? It seems the value of hit's a bit much considering there's so much hit on gear nowadays. Is it because of the yellow socket and even then shouldn't the gem of choice be strength and crit considering the 2 piece T9 bonus?
I'm just curious because I thought dps and damage of the weapon > most of the stats on it in comparison to others.(maybe except for crit if you lose a lot in switching to one with no crit.)
Сообщение от
blademeld
The hit caps are rated assuming you are not capped.
Ignore hit rating if you're capped.
Сообщение от
Quest
Eh? Why is the Citadel Enforcer's Claymore valued more than Quel'Delar? It seems the value of hit's a bit much considering there's so much hit on gear nowadays. Is it because of the yellow socket and even then shouldn't the gem of choice be strength and crit considering the 2 piece T9 bonus?
I'm just curious because I thought dps and damage of the weapon > most of the stats on it in comparison to others.(maybe except for crit if you lose a lot in switching to one with no crit.)
Righteous Vengeance
When your Judgement, Crusader Strike and Divine Storm spells deal a critical strike, your target will take 30% additional damage over 8 sec.
Keep in mind that Judgement, Crusader Strike and Divine Storm spells are all each effected by hit, strength, ap, expertise, etc. If you CS and your 2p procs, your crits are going to look mighty low if you have low AP. Or if you DS, and miss, your 2p is going to sit there doing nothing anyway.
Amount of hit on other gear is irrelevant. The fact that hit being worth more than any other basic stat is. Ive supplied the numbers reguardless so you can factor it in yourself if you dont want to mess around with re-arranging gear.
Thats why gearing is fun (for me). Its a mathematical Tetris.
If I ever teach myself mathlab maybe ill do some analysis but thats alot of wrk, son.
Сообщение от
frmorrison
But if it procs off of most of our attacks that 2k damage might actually happen often enough to be very slightly useful. You'd also have to wonder if it's modified by AP, SP, or at all.
One thing I know for sure though, if it's modified by spellpower, we're going to become the stereotypical idiot melee class that always takes spellpower.
Edit: Of course all of this is sort of pointless since it'll be the best available (ha) weapon for ret regardless, but it would be nice to know by how much.
I am going to assume the proc from Shadowmourne is the same as Bryntroll, so that is only affected by % damage auras (Ret Aura and Crusade) and magic debuffs (CoE).
Spell power does increase Ret's damage.
Until the stacking mechanic is known (if it stacks from auto only like 2 piece or from all melee stacks), it is hard to know. Rest assured it is at least 500 dps better than the next best (277 version of Bryntroll)
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