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Сообщение от
Rankkor
Anyways I wonder that if Lor'themar becomes the Warchief, how long will it take for an orc to declare a mak'gora to the death for the title of Warchief in which the use of magic is not allowed?
that wouldn't mean much for Lor'themar as he's not a mage, he's a Ranger. Rangers don't use magic.
To fair elves do know magic as displayed by their
racials
. I do belive the common elf should know some basic magic, not at the skill of a mage but more of not becoming a wretched.
Yeah but even if all elves do know some magic by default, non-caster elves don't depend on it. For example, neither Alleria or Vereesa depend on magic, if they had to fight without using any sort of magic, they'd only lose about 10% of their edge, probably less.
Valeera Sanguinar (varian's companion) also knew a bit of magic, but she's first and foremost a physical fighter.
And we know that the Horde's best warriors are most certainly the orcs and the tauren
No, the Horde's naturally physically strongest races are the orcs and the taurens, but raw brute strength isn't everything, and the duel of Cairne vs Garrosh proved it. Garrosh was at least 3 times stronger than Cairne, but Cairne was a more skilled combatant, and during the entire duel he kicked the ass of garrosh without even trying. If Magatha hand't poisoned Garrosh's axe, Cairne would had won, as the ONLY injury he sustained during the entire duel was a small scratch on his chest.
Speed is important for warriors asweel and i belive that the farstriders aim more for that rather than a bulky warrior that can't dodge or land a hit.
Exactly. Come on, Lor'themar hasn't had any chance in-game to display his badass prowess, but in the books and comics he's an all-around badass. Dude SOLOED HIS WAY TO THE SUNWELL IN THE MIDDLE OF A SCOURGE INVASION. While wounded, outnumbered, and missing one eye.
Сообщение от
Skreeran
Hey Rank, I left you a message in the Open RP thread.
Сообщение от
Lordplatypus
"ha ha ha, that stun lasted 4 seconds instead of 5, SQUIRM WORM" That's rubbish, Every Man for Himself is basically a free pvp trinket, allowing you to free up the slot for an actual trinket with..... you know.... STATS. The orc passives only reduce mildly the duration of CC effects, the alliance passives actually remove them.
Orc racials stack with trinkets, human ones don't. and it's the active, not the passive.
So? I just read that little bit you linked. What does it says? Rhonin opened a portal, and shoved jaina through it. Thus you just proved what I just told you, Rhonin saved Jaina, but it was Baine who warned Theramoore of the attack and thus gave the civilians time to escape. You just proved me right.
exactly not my point, Rhonin limited the blast radius of the mana bomb by placing it inside their tower, which was heavily warded, essentially a large scale version of throwing yourself over a hand grenade like in the movies. He pushed jaina out so only he would have to be sacrficed.
We've been over this already, The Sunreavers were INNOCENT and Jaina had ZERO proof that it was THEM who orchestrated the Divine Bell Theft. What did she found in Darnassus? proof that SOMEONE with knowledge of the Kirin Tor Portal Network did it, that's ALL she found, she automatically assumed it was the Sunreavers and WITH ZERO PROOF OF IT WHATSOEVER went to dalaran to kill/incarcerate them all.
Jaina and the Silver Covenant had ZERO authority to do what they did, and the Sunreavers had ZERO obligation to submit to wrongful incarceration.
The sunreavers were
suspect
which was plenty enough for this, do you even know police procedure? If this were about the tauren being imprionsed for betraying the cenarion circle, you won't be so worked up. It's just you caring about your precious elves now.
So when a sunreaver trys to kill me with a fireball, i shouldn't defend myself and stick him with my sword?
Yeah.
that wouldn't mean much for Lor'themar as he's not a mage, he's a Ranger. Rangers don't use magic.
Invalidated
Сообщение от
Rankkor
So? I just read that little bit you linked. What does it says? Rhonin opened a portal, and shoved jaina through it. Thus you just proved what I just told you, Rhonin saved Jaina, but it was Baine who warned Theramoore of the attack and thus gave the civilians time to escape. You just proved me right.
exactly not my point, Rhonin limited the blast radius of the mana bomb by placing it inside their tower, which was heavily warded, essentially a large scale version of throwing yourself over a hand grenade like in the movies. He pushed jaina out so only he would have to be sacrficed.
Irrelevant, the civilians were long gone by the time the bomb hit the city, even if rhonin hadn't done what he did, they'd still live. His actions saved the lives of other alliance soldiers who were close to the edges of the city, as well as the alliance navy on the sea behind theramooore. However the actual civilian lives were saved because Baine chose to warn them of the attack to give them time to leave.
We've been over this already, The Sunreavers were INNOCENT and Jaina had ZERO proof that it was THEM who orchestrated the Divine Bell Theft. What did she found in Darnassus? proof that SOMEONE with knowledge of the Kirin Tor Portal Network did it, that's ALL she found, she automatically assumed it was the Sunreavers and WITH ZERO PROOF OF IT WHATSOEVER went to dalaran to kill/incarcerate them all.
Jaina and the Silver Covenant had ZERO authority to do what they did, and the Sunreavers had ZERO obligation to submit to wrongful incarceration.
The sunreavers were
suspect
which was plenty enough for this, do you even know police procedure?
As a matter of fact I do know police procedure, and you can't declare someone a suspect without PROOF. And did jaina had any PROOF? No she did not. The only thing her scrying uncovered was that someone familiar with the Kirin Tor portal network facilitated the entry to darnassus, AND THAT IS ALL SHE FOUND OUT, there was absolutely ZERO evidence linking the sunreavers to the theft, therefore declaring them suspect was illegal.
If I was a cop, and someone commits a crime near where you live, and I declare you a suspect simply because I hate you and no other reason whatsoever, would it be ok for me to stick a gun in your face and put you in San Quentin without trial, without lawyers, without anything? just get in your cell or I shoot you in the face?
If this were about the tauren being imprionsed for betraying the cenarion circle, you won't be so worked up.
Yes I would, don't fabricate lies about me, if there's one thing I hate is race-crimes, SPECIALLY AGAINST CIVILIANS and this is regardless of race, and regardless of faction, which is why I'm so against what the forsakens did in Gilneas, its one thing to invade a country, and secure a potential entry point from being taken by enemy forces, and its another thing entirely to do what they did to the civilian population of gilneas (Enslave them, experiment on them, work them to death, and then afflict them with the curse of undeath to bolster their own forces)
If all the taurens were imprisioned just because ONE tauren betrayed the cenarion Circle I'd still be very upset, and would be very eager to kill the one who made the call. Hell, if all the night elves were imprisioned just because ONE night elf betrayed the cenarion circle, I'D STILL BE UPSET. Nothing infuriates me more than someone going after civilians, or someone committing a racial hate crime.
War is one thing, but to kill someone just because they are of a race you happen to hate is UNFORGIVABLE, regardless of whether or not that someone is alliance or horde.
t's just you caring about your precious elves now.
Its not, and to this day you still elude my question of why do you hate the elves this much, when Gilneas did far worse than them (they actually DID betrayed the alliance) and you seem to ahve no beef with them
So when a sunreaver trys to kill me with a fireball, i shouldn't defend myself and stick him with my sword?
Not if the reason he's shooting a fireball to you in the first place is because you want him to go into Azeroth's version of Guantanamo over a crime said sunreaver NEVER MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. In this case YOU had it coming. Said sunreaver was simply defending his right to not be imprisoned over a crime someone else did. You killed him just for using that right.
that wouldn't mean much for Lor'themar as he's not a mage, he's a Ranger. Rangers don't use magic.
Invalidated
No its not, we're not discussing Sylvannas we're discussing Lor'themar, and he hasn't been shown using much magic. At best he has anti-caster abilities, but he's not the type to go shooting magic missiles. In fact despite being a Ranger, he hardly even uses a bow these days (which makes sense, having only one eye, his perception of depth must such when it comes to aiming an arrow for long distance shots)
Сообщение от
Lordplatypus
Look, A: Simple Someone on the horde faction in Dalaran helped steal the bell.
The horde faction.
You even heard it form Jaina herself that the blood elves are loyal to the horde above Dalaran.
The only possible people to fit under both "Inside knowledge of Kirin Tor" and "Very strongly Horde Aligned" would be the sunreavers.
Not everything in even this world is perfect, theres plenty of times the cops had to go on a loose end and use guesswork.
In the end, plenty of sunreavers were willing to help the horde get it's hands on what are basically WMDs.
Its not, and to this day you still elude my question of why do you hate the elves this much, when Gilneas did far worse than them (they actually DID betrayed the alliance) and you seem to ahve no beef with them
I don't hate elves, Gilneas was a faction that fought from the beginning while the elves were just rearing to get the hell out of the alliance, gilneas only left due to economic problems.
That and the fact that the elves actually think it's the alliance's fault that their forests got hit so hard, after they ignored how much of a threat the horde was.
Theres certain laws and customs of war, and despite all the raging you happen do be doing, jaina was obeying them by imprisoning anyone who surenders and only taking down those who fight. It's simple. the purge involved dragonhawks, which were either knocked unconcious or killed counting on the indivual they sent. It was meant to stop them from getting away and evading arrest.
Not if the reason he's shooting a fireball to you in the first place is because you want him to go into Azeroth's version of Guantanamo over a crime said sunreaver NEVER MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. In this case YOU had it coming. Said sunreaver was simply defending his right to not be imprisoned over a crime someone else did. You killed him just for using that right.
It's in the center of a freaking city, theres a real chance he could be the one that did, and all he has to do is comply.
It's like someone being told their a suspect and have to come with the police, but since he's (Insert color A here) and the police aren't, he assumes it's racism and pulls a gun.
Would you shoot the paranoid bastard in the head or let him kill you?
Сообщение от
Skreeran
You even heard it form Jaina herself that the blood elves are loyal to the horde above Dalaran.
The only possible people to fit under both "Inside knowledge of Kirin Tor" and "Very strongly Horde Aligned" would be the sunreavers.
Except no.
"There have been human traitors, and high elf, and gnome, and orc. I will do what I can to atone for the treachery of Songweaver. The irony that I sent him as a gesture of goodwill does not escape me. But we must not abandon our stance of neutrality for vengeance!"
"Silvermoon has been allies with Dalaran for over 2000 years. It is not a friendship we should toss idly aside at the whim of our "esteemed" Warchief Garrosh."
Jaina Proudmoore now sits as heart of the Kirin Tor and rules Dalaran.
That puts the citadel square in the hands of the Alliance, no matter how much Aethas brags about neutrality.
This young upstart may have forgotten, but the Alliance tried to imprison and massacre our people during the third war.
Forgive me if I do not share his faith in their... "neutrality."
Aethas: Enough Rommath! The Sin'gorei must be free from the yoke of the Horde!
The Sunreavers, barring a few individual agents working for Garrosh, are among the
least
Horde aligned groups in the entire faction.
It's like someone being told their a suspect and have to come with the police, but since he's (Insert color A here) and the police aren't, he assumes it's racism and pulls a gun.But it wasn't the police, it was Jaina, a single member of The Six (Aethas ALSO being a member), who had Vereesa form a lynch mob and then summoned in Alliance soldiers. The police have authority bestowed by the government to uphold the law, what Jaina did was like the president sending in a foreign military to arrest every member of a particular minority while the last president's wife sends an armed force composed of a single race to go kill them all.
Сообщение от
Adamsm
The only possible people to fit under both "Inside knowledge of Kirin Tor" and "Very strongly Horde Aligned" would be the sunreavers.The fact that you post something like this shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
Сообщение от
Rankkor
Look, A: Simple Someone
on the horde faction
in Dalaran helped steal the bell.
The horde faction.
WRONG. All the evidence jaina found was that SOMEONE in dalaran helped the horde, that's ALL she found out, there was ZERO evidence linking the sunreavers.
Fanlry Silverthorn (The REAL culprit for stealing the bell) was not a member of the kirin tor anymore, he left the order before MoP and joined Silvermoon's Reliquary.
You even heard it form Jaina herself that the blood elves are loyal to the horde above Dalaran.
See? now you're making stuff up. What does jaina says on
THIS
quest?
Now then, as leader of the Kirin Tor and a faithful part of the Alliance, what would you do about the Sunreavers? True, they are advocates of the Horde.
But they have been allies and productive members of the Kirin Tor for over 2000 years. This city is their home.
And as I've told you multiple times (and you've conveniently ignored EVERY SINGLE TIME) On the horde side, you're asked to get the sunreavers to help the horde, AND THEY REFUSE because they are loyal to the Kirin Tor above all else. Aethas himself says (And skreeran already quoted this) "
The sin'dorei and Dalaran have been friends and allies for 2000 years, that is not a friendship I will toss aside for our "esteemed" warchief
"
The only possible people to fit under both "Inside knowledge of Kirin Tor" and "Very strongly Horde Aligned" would be the sunreavers.
For someone who is crazy and doesn't respond to logic? yes. For someone who actually uses their damned head? NO
Where do you leave Thalien Songweaver? you know, the Sunreaver double-agent that betrated the kirin tor on tides of war? that guy had inside knowledge of the kirin tor portal network and was a personal spy of garrosh, why not assume HE was the culprit?
What about former members of the kirin tor that have left the order recently? (Such as Fanlyr Silverthorn, THE REAL CULPRIT) Any number of them could had been responsible.
Not everything in even this world is perfect, theres plenty of times the cops had to go on a loose end and use guesswork.
Yet you have NEVER been able to ARREST someone on guess-work, you investigate using your guesswork, when have you ever heard of someone being sent to San Quentin on guesswork alone? you need EVIDENCE before you seize someone's property, declare them enemy of the state, and throw them in jail indefinitely.
In the end, plenty of sunreavers were willing to help the horde get it's hands on what are basically WMDs.
Not true, the sunreavers have been loyal members of the Kirin Tor for thousands of years, and the only rotten appels were Thalien and Fanlyr. The former was a double-agent that was already exposed and no longer working from within, and the latter was an ex-member that left the order months before the theft even happened in the first place.
Its not, and to this day you still elude my question of why do you hate the elves this much, when Gilneas did far worse than them (they actually DID betrayed the alliance) and you seem to ahve no beef with them
I don't hate elves
Ohh really? now THIS I find hard to believe considering how much of a hard-on you have for garithos, and how much you love to take time to say how they're traitors to the alliance that deserve to die down to the last man woman and child, I can't recall a single time, NOT A SINGLE TIME, that you speak of the blood elves without spewing poisonous biles of hatred.
Gilneas was a faction that fought from the beginning while the elves were just rearing to get the hell out of the alliance
No they did not, Gilneas was the one that contributed the least during the war (other than Alterac) providing the least amount of troops, and the least amount of coin.
Quel'thalas on the other hand, provided full support to the alliance during the second AND THIRD war, both with their Farstrider Rangers, their elven navy, and with economic backing. They even provided a contingency of troops for the expedition beyond the dark portal.
Gilneas did NONE of the above. And the one who was rearing to get the hell out of the alliance was Gilneas, who only joined to use the alliance as a meatshield against their borders, but once the threat was neutralized they refused to help the kingdoms that got hit.
gilneas only left due to economic problems.
Sure, its king being a cheap-ass jerk could be called "economic problems" dude, gilneas was NOT facing poverty, in fact they were among the wealthiest nations in the alliance, they left because they only saw the alliance as "sponges" drawing off their money, after the other nations bled and died to keep Gilneas safe, they decide they don't wanna help those very same nations rebuild after all the dust settled, they contributed no aid be it physical or finantial to the reconstruction of the kingdoms, or the internment camps, or the construction of Nethergarde, or the Dark Portal expedition. And during the third war they closed their borders shut, refusing to aid the alliance, while Quel'thalas, still stuck around and helped the alliance against the scourge
That and the fact that the elves actually think it's the alliance's fault that their forests got hit so hard, after they ignored how much of a threat the horde was.
so? you got a grudge because they complained? Gilneas did far worse than complaining. The elves at least still provided help to the alliance after the war was over, and still kept providing help during the third war. When push came to shove, the elves still helped the alliance. Gilneas not only complained, they then refused to aid the alliance and basically left them all to die.
Theres certain laws and customs of war, and despite all the raging you happen do be doing, jaina was obeying them by imprisoning anyone who surenders and only taking down those who fight. It's simple. the purge involved dragonhawks, which were either knocked unconcious or killed counting on the indivual they sent. It was meant to stop them from getting away and evading arrest.
Except that the silver covenant was more interested in butchering as many sunreavers as they could than they were in arresting anyone. On the horde version, they're in the sewers beating up all the UNARMED and DEFENSELESS civilians who weren't even fighting back, and they even had a torturer who was also torturing civilians and tossing them to the shark in the sewers. Jaina authorized a bunch of zealots to do the purging and they latched onto this to comit genocide.
Not if the reason he's shooting a fireball to you in the first place is because you want him to go into Azeroth's version of Guantanamo over a crime said sunreaver NEVER MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. In this case YOU had it coming. Said sunreaver was simply defending his right to not be imprisoned over a crime someone else did. You killed him just for using that right.
It's in the center of a freaking city, theres a real chance he could be the one that did, and all he has to do is comply.
It's like someone being told their a suspect and have to come with the police, but since he's (Insert color A here) and the police aren't, he assumes it's racism and pulls a gun.
Would you shoot the paranoid bastard in the head or let him kill you?
its not the same situation and you know it. When someone is told that they are a suspect and have to come to the police, it means they're being sent to the precinct for questioning, but you are NOT under arrest, the police CANNOT arrest you without COMPELLING EVIDENCE to build a case against you. They first notify you that you are a suspect in an ongoing criminal investigation, you can't leave the state, you have to come with them to take a statement, and then IF THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE THEY MUST LET YOU GO UNTIL THEY HAVE IT.
What the silver covenant was doing however, was not investigating, they were confiscating your property, declaring you an enemy of the state, and PERMANENTLY LOCKING YOU UP AWAY in Jail. WITH NO TRIAL.
I'll ask the question again, if a crime happens near where you live, and I as a cop, simply because I hate you and no other reason, declare you a suspect, and take you, NOT TO BE INTERROGATED, I simply declare you culprit and take you directly to Guantanamo to serve 50 years of jail time, even though you didn't do anything wrong, and I have absolutely no way to prove otherwise, would you go willingly?
Сообщение от
Adamsm
I suggest you read up on Gilneas
:
By the start of the Second War Gilneas was one of the most powerful human nations, and because of this, the kingdom's ruler, Genn Greymane, was not a strong supporter of the Alliance, believing that his own armies would be more than enough to deal with any threat. Despite this, Gilneas was not neutral towards the Horde, and did join the Alliance late in the Second War, although Lord Greymane constantly argued against its existence from beginning to end.
A token force under the command of Lord Godfrey, at his own insistance, fought the orcs with disasterous results that further damaged Greymane's feelings towards Lordaeron.
Shortly after the Horde was defeated, Greymane pulled his nation's "support" from the Alliance, refusing to spend his nation's resources on keeping the orcs alive in internment camps or in rebuilding other nations devastated by the war.
Gilneas, along with Stromgarde, in fact lead the outcry over the decision not to execute their defeated enemies
Some time after the Second War, Greymane constructed the Greymane Wall — an enormous stone barrier that now separates Gilneas from Lordaeron.
Attempting to forever remove his nation from what he considered "other people's troubles"
, he barricaded the majority of Gilneas behind the Wall.
No one, not even other humans were allowed to enter Gilneas.
Gilneas was the one human nation who contributed the least to the Grand Alliance...but hey, keep on pretending they did more, since facts don't seem to matter.
Сообщение от
Rankkor
I just find it so funny how he claims he doesn't hate elves, yet goes out of his way to demonize them as the
VILE TRAITORS TO THE ALLIANCE THAT MUST BE EXTERMINATED FROM THIS WORLD LIKE THE VERMIN THEY ARE
when all Quel'thalas did was complain a bit about their forests, but still provided A TON of backing to the alliance during the second war, dark portal expedition, and third war.
In the mean time, Gilneas, a nation that barely even participated in the second war (they were the last to join and the first to leave, and the ones who provided the fewest numbers of troops) refused to aid the reconstruction, and then flat out LET THEIR ALLIES DIE BY THE THOUSANDS, he sugarcoats them as "they had economic problems"
When in reality Gilneas was probably the richest nation in the alliance. Not to mention the one that had to spend the least in the war, as their kingdom sustained ZERO damage during it. So, for Gilneas it was great to use the alliance as a meatshield to protect their borders, once the threat is gone, they GTFO, once a new enemy arises they just barricade themselves in and let the allies that previously bled and died to keep them safe, die by the thousands, but hey, they're not traitors, they're cool. Meanwhile, lets take these elves who b1ched a lot about their forests, and paint them as wretched traitors that need to die down to the last man woman and child.
/frowns.
Сообщение от
Lordplatypus
Wrong.
Quel Thalas
left
the alliance, the elves you see are those who choose to ignore that and
stay
.
Gilneas also had the following problems.
A): Daval Prestor (Read: Deathwing in a suit trying to hide the molten magma). giving him "Advice" this is a guy who pulled one over the dragon aspects, he's pretty good at lying aint he?
King Terenas, through skilled political maneuvering, enlisted the support of the human kingdoms of Gilneas, Stromgarde, Dalaran, Alterac, and Kul Tiras. They also managed to gain the allegiance of the Bronzebeard Dwarves of Ironforge, the Wildhammer Dwarves of Aerie Peak, and the Gnomes of Gnomeregan. Envoys led by King Terenas attempted to gain the allegiance of the High Elves of Quel'Thalas, though initially they were uninterested in the coming conflict and sent merely a pittance of their forces.
AKA: Gilneas sent notable force and Quel Thalas did not.
Outraged at the attack on their borders, the Elves finally put forth their full strength in the war effort.
Basically, until theres an attack on their precious borders, despite a the promise during the troll wars and whatnot, they did
as close to nothing as possible.
Gilneas left the alliance for two things. One because Genn considered the plan of keeping orcs alive rather than seeing how many fit in a woodchipper at once a stupid ass decision. and seeing that the orcs once again, are trying to take over the world, can you really blame him?
So to wrap it up, the gilneans left because they found the idea of mercy for a bunch of genocidal demon-worshippers to be stupid while the elves left because there weren't enough meatshields sent to them.
Сообщение от
Skreeran
As someone who actually played Warcraft 2, Gilneas was actually kind of a POS in the Second War:
Despite the impending Orcish invasion, Gilneas has remained separate from the Alliance of Lordaeron. As ruler of one of the strongest Human nations, Genn Greymane is convinced that his own armies can deal with any threat, and has therefore remained unmoved by Lord Lothar's pleas for unity. Despite this apparent disdain for the Alliance, the denizens of Gilneas harbor no fondness for the Orcs or their allies and are prepared to meet them blade for blade.
Source
Сообщение от
Adamsm
AKA: Gilneas sent notable force and Quel Thalas did not.
I suggest you read up on Gilneas
:
By the start of the Second War Gilneas was one of the most powerful human nations, and because of this, the kingdom's ruler, Genn Greymane, was not a strong supporter of the Alliance, believing that his own armies would be more than enough to deal with any threat. Despite this, Gilneas was not neutral towards the Horde, and did join the Alliance late in the Second War, although Lord Greymane constantly argued against its existence from beginning to end.
A token force under the command of Lord Godfrey, at his own insistance, fought the orcs with disasterous results that further damaged Greymane's feelings towards Lordaeron.
Shortly after the Horde was defeated, Greymane pulled his nation's "support" from the Alliance, refusing to spend his nation's resources on keeping the orcs alive in internment camps or in rebuilding other nations devastated by the war.
Gilneas, along with Stromgarde, in fact lead the outcry over the decision not to execute their defeated enemies
Some time after the Second War, Greymane constructed the Greymane Wall — an enormous stone barrier that now separates Gilneas from Lordaeron.
Attempting to forever remove his nation from what he considered "other people's troubles"
, he barricaded the majority of Gilneas behind the Wall.
No one, not even other humans were allowed to enter Gilneas.
Gilneas was the one human nation who contributed the least to the Grand Alliance...but hey, keep on pretending they did more, since facts don't seem to matter.
Сообщение от
325248
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Сообщение от
morginar
It is belived that it will not be a cow to lead the horde due to his inactivity in the 5.1 quests and Voljin did get a uniqe skin and a senario and Lor'Themar was the main character in the 5.1 and 5.2 stories.
Сообщение от
christehchris
YOU ANSWER TO SAURFANG!
Сообщение от
Lordplatypus
I'ts either Vol'Jin Thrall being back, Baine or Saurfang
Can't be saurfang, cuz that means you'll have to raid him.
Сообщение от
Rankkor
I'ts either Vol'Jin Thrall being back, Baine or Saurfang
Can't be saurfang, cuz that means you'll have to raid him.
Saurfang is too old for the job, and he's a soldier not a politician. While he's an honorable man, and a good person, just being these isn't enough to be an effective leader for an entire nation.
Baine for some reason isn't being considered by blizzard. So far they've stated that they're considering 3 people for the job, and its still up in the air who's gonna get chosen, its either Vol'jin, Thrall, or, as much as it hurts you, Lor'themar.
Сообщение от
MrVolare
Personally, I have a hard time imagining a majority of orcs supporting the belfs. That said, at least as of 5.2, Lorthemar seems the most likely choice.
Out of tradition, I think it should be an orc. A Belf as warchief would be delightfully LFG. As a Vol'jin fanboy, I would hope it isn't Vol'jin, otherwise I suspect he will be dead by the end of 6.x expensions
Сообщение от
Lordplatypus
There's the 8 major names running for warchief.
Abesik Kampfyr, Garrosh's main political rival.
Vol'jin the most experienced leader in the horde after thrall.
Thrall: Metzen's pet.
Saurfang, who's the war hero the masses want and a great PR face.
Baine's arguably the best for diplomacy, being on a first-name basis with anduin, who's got plenty of pull with his father.
Sylvannas
could
try to take over, although i doubt anyone would follow
her
Lor'Themar lacks the popularity, he's most likely going to fail with his isle of thunder stunt (Face it, it'll end with one side breaking all the artifacts). Although if it goes through, he does have a chance.
Gamon: The man's a fan favorite and obivously working behind the scenes
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