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Leading pugs using pre-gearscore tactics

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Сообщение от darkdog

When i started playing there was no gear score addon or even achievements.
Pug leaders had to have a general knowledge of each classes talents specs and gearing.
For each player the pug leader would inspect to make sure that they had the proper gear equipped (aka no dps wearing tanking gear/pvp gear) and were gemmed/enchanted correctly.
Also depending on the encounter and leader he might ask you to give him on a briefing on one of the more difficult encounters of the raid to make sure that you understood the encounter.
Flasks and food buffs were required as a part of raiding.
There was also the general consensus that this was a raid and you would most likely wipe at least once and instead of *!@#$ing about it you ran back in and rebuffed and tried again.
Very few people would leave after the first wipe because generally you would not get invited back in the future.

After so many failed pug raids where pug leader relied on gs i am thinking about starting my own pugs using the old methods.

Any other suggestions for forming pug raids?

Сообщение от Badguy

Just armory every member and see if they look like a dip&*!@ based on their gear and gem choices, that's how I do it.

There's no guarantee that your members are going to know what to do, even if they have the achievements or whatever.

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Сообщение от SignupSucks

Pug leaders had to have a general knowledge of each classes talents specs and gearing.

No, they didn't. They'd ask for general gear levels via health/avoidance (tanks), AP (melee DPS), spell healing/damage. This may or may not be more accurate than gearscore but it did not preclude the leader being an idiot, expecting warlocks with their fel armor or self buffed elemental shaman to set the standard for spell damage at any given tier level. Pug leaders most certainly did not know the ins and outs of specs beyond what's popular for the day.

You have a very rose colored view of what PUG leaders used to check when putting groups together before gearscore came around.

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Сообщение от Phototropic

You know, raid leaders could always use GS properly; /gs <target>

We all know that just asking for a figure is lazy ¬_¬

Сообщение от Rekijan

If I need a few pugs to fill up a raid I mostly talk to the person for a minute or two. I'd rather have an undergeared but skilled and experienced player than carry a braindead noob even further.

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Сообщение от HoleofArt

You know, raid leaders could always use GS properly; /gs <target>

We all know that just asking for a figure is lazy ¬_¬

^^ This. If you want to lead a raid, you can still use GearScore. Just use it correctly.

Pair it with ElitistGroup and you have the most efficient and easiest method to pugging.

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Сообщение от Joim

If I leada a pug, I inspect all people in the raid, and ask assists to do so.

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Сообщение от Lorkin

Here's a radical idea. Recruit people at the training dummy's at one of the capital cities. That way they can show up and dps on dummies so you can see their unbuffed dps. Works with heals as well, you can see their throughput. Unfortunately you can't do this with tanks but usually their health pool is a good indicator.

GS changes nothing imo as opposed to what everyone says. (Good) Raid leaders use to do armory checks before they invited you. GS just allows them to bypass that step and gives them a numeric value that's a quick summary of your current gear. People still should check achievements if they don't want to have to explain everything.

Сообщение от Whybag

If I leada a pug, I inspect all people in the raid, and ask assists to do so.

This brings up a good point from my experience, if a RL is inspecting people, inspect them. I was in an Ony pug on launch day lead by another hunter. He went around inspecting all the members, but when I looked at him I noticed he had Mana enchanted to chest. I lol'd.

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Сообщение от Rilgon

^^ This. If you want to lead a raid, you can still use GearScore. Just use it correctly.

Pair it with ElitistGroup and you have the most efficient and easiest method to pugging.

If you use ElitistGroup, do you even need GS? I thought they did essentially the same thing, other than ElitistGroup letting you personally rate toons. (NOTE - I never used ElitistGroup before, which is why I'm asking).
No, considering that Elitist Group is infinitely better than Gearscore.

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Сообщение от Merf1980

....if a RL is inspecting people, inspect them...
I used to run 25-Naxx pugs in 3.1 (Ulduar patch, so I was running 1-tier behind pugs which works out well) before GS really caught on the obnoxious way it is now.

I got out of running them for a while, because Uld sucked to pug in 3.3 because ToC was so easy.

Now I'm running them again because ICC+30% is kinda like Naxx was back in 3.2, it's puggable but not a cake-walk. The first few weeks of recruiting to fill the spots my guild didn't my spam said "I don't know your GS and I don't care. Send me a tell with your role and meet me at the fountain".

I got more compliments for that and turned away so many people with crap gems and spec but high GS they were just flabbergasted. The best part is, I had 2 folks inspect me first before they accepted my invite. I was so happy, I knew I was attracting the right people.

For the record, we nearly downed Putricide with about half the raid not knowing the fight, and 1-shot everything up to that. And nearly all have accepted invites to next week so we can have concistancy. It's amazing what common sense can do.

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