Koltira Deathweaver is a Failure

Сообщение от clockwork333

Alright I know alot of people are all "Oooh poor Koltira, sylvanas is mean to him" or "Oh Koltira, he's not an orc but he's in the Horde so he's -cool-" and even "Oh Koltira should replace Sylvanas if she dies!"

But no.

Koltira is a pathetic wuss of a failure who'd send the Forsaken into ambushes just to appease his bro Thassarian in the Alliance.

1. Koltira got captured in the starting area and couldn't escape on his own. His biggest contribution was... using a talented ability they all have.

2. Koltira could neither power his own blade nor face his own demons in the Dragonblight.

3. Koltira tried to -whittle down- the Scourge's numbers, in andorhal, and had to have Sylvanas, disguised as Lindsay Ravensun, fix his screwups behind his back.

4. If Sylvanas hadn't called in the Val'kyr, Koltira would've lost Andorhal to farmers. FARMERS.

But Skytotem! I hear you say, Sylvanas will torture him and that will make him badass!

Oh, he's going to lead the people, or want anything to do with the people, that tortured him? You're going to respect a leader that malleable and stupid? I know I wouldn't.

Koltira needs to die or join the Alliance so the Horde can get a REAL deathknight. Like Crok Scourgebane or Bloodrose Datura or Jayde.

This has been a public service announcement from Horde Against Stupid Leaders.

Сообщение от Adamsm

Kolitra did get a bum deal; forced to fight against his best friend, and tried to make it so that the loses wouldn't have been too heavy. Still doesn't deserve being tortured by a sadistic ape %^&* insane Banshee Queen though.

Сообщение от Atik

1. If you need to spend a talent point for it, than obviously not all DK's have Anti-magic-zone. Deeeeeerrrrrrp

2. And I suppose you swing around some massive sword because your better than him? Or are you overcompensating?

3. Or, maybe she was stalking him because she thought he was smexy? You jelly brah?

4. Farmers can be pretty badass yo. They can kill all sorts of pumpkinmen-armies and such. You mad brah?

Сообщение от clockwork333

Сообщение от Adamsm

His attempt to make losses lighter just would've lost him the battle.And he was losing already so.....Still doesn't mean he deserves to be tortured.

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

Actually I totally agree with you.I've never tough of it that way but honestly when we compare Koltira and Tharassian Alliance seem better...and im not the kind of guy who would give the wretched Alliance a compliment soo easily.

Kolitra did get a bum deal; forced to fight against his best friend, and tried to make it so that the loses wouldn't have been too heavy. Still doesn't deserve being tortured by a sadistic ape %^&* insane Banshee Queen though.

Ok,honestly im really tired of you Adamsm and your insults towards the best Faction Leadder of them all.Firstly Koltira deserved every bit of what he got since the Forskaen are on such an edge that every lose is fatal.Second I have nothing against you calling Sylvanas the Lich Queen however that title is absolutely undeserved.I mean seriously,what part of 'she's doing the best she can for her people' dont you quite get?If you were the Leadder of a Faction of Undead that have rebelled against the Scourge and despite that nobody really seems to give a &*!@ you would do some mishapen (yet still correct) decisions yourself.

I've said this before and I'll say it again,if Banshee Queen Sylvanas actually wishes to live up to the title <Lich Queen> then you'd better watch out because your hands (and the rest of your body for that matter) will simply dissolve infront of you in an instant.

Сообщение от Adamsm

Because she's going against the orders from both Warchief's? Thrall and his forces told her to cut out the Blight, but she kept right on using it. Garrosh tells her to stop using the Blight, she just smiles and nods....and keeps on using the Blight. And I don't see how torturing a top commander of your forces is 'good' for the rest; still waiting for a quest where we get to go into the Undercity with Tharassian and break Koltira out of that hell hole of a city the Forsaken are in.

Edit: And the best faction leader is always going to be Velen.

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

Ok,ok I just cant deny even tough I hate Alliance that Velen prolly would get Best Faction Leadder Award,but Sylvanas is close behind.So its the Blight?Hhhmh,im puting some tough to this but I just cant get it.Lets see...why should Sylvanas take orders from Thrall The Traitor Of The Horde?Yes,true a Hero of Azeroth BUT STILL a Traitor towards All Horde.Next option?Garrosh....garro....GARROSH?Who would take orders from that Orc which Brain is smaller than a peanut?

In The eyes of Sylvanas Garrosh is the one who killed Cairne Of Thunder Bluff and which well-thinking Warchief would do that?Not to mention that Garrosh's pressence screams of stupidity.Yes,power and rage also eminate from him but stupidity is still a fact.The Banshee Queen is desperate,every decision is of high importance she doesnt have time to tolerate that Orc-Shaped worm Garrosh and yet she DOES to a small extend.

You may not like her but the fact that she is a Great Leadder during desperate times is unquestionable!

Сообщение от Monday

Magni > Velen

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

Magni > Velen

Eeehhh no?

Nvm my opinion doesnt quite matter on this one.Its obvious that most people will support the Faction Leadder of their favourite race.

Yes I admit im doing the same thing...

Сообщение от Adamsm

Oh please, as if Sylvanas gives a crap that Carine died, since it was Magtha the Crone who was the prime person who lobbied to get the Forsaken into the Horde....you know, the tauren woman who actually killed Cairne by poisoning Garrosh's axe? As for Thrall being a traitor to the Horde.....What? I mean really, what the heck are you smoking....

Oh it's questionable alright...since she's using a weapon of the Lich King to forcibly raise people up as Forsaken, and you get the feeling that if you don't follow, you'll end up back in the ground.

Сообщение от Monday

Magni > Velen

Eeehhh no?

Nvm my opinion doesnt quite matter on this one.Its obvious that most people will support the Faction Leadder of their favourite race.

Yes I admit im doing the same thing...

LOL.

As for the rest, I have yet to see why Sylvanas is a good leader.

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

Sylvanas doesnt give a crap about Carine im just saying that she wont get bossed around by a Warchief who she thinks killed another Faction Leadder.Now that we settled that up what in the name of fresh faceless ones do you mean?Maghta has something to do with the Forsaken?Thats new...

Yes,Thrall is a full-time traitor.Illidant the second if you might.Who made him leave the Horde?He can just leave all the 'Balancing Of The Elements' story to Muln Earthfury.It just goes to show that Thrall would do anything to leave The Horde.

I dont know what feeling you get but Lorewise its perfectly fine to be a Forsaken without belonging to the Forsaken Faction.Its just that you will have to live on your own and survive on your own without any help at all...and thats not fun at all isnt it?On top of that Blizzard wont waste there time to create an Alternative Story-Line for stupid Undead who choose not to serve the Banshee Queen.I would also like to mention that Marcus Redpath would have lived without any disburbance from Sylvanas when he choose not to join but what did he do?He wanted to attack Deathkneel.Well all I can say is that he deserved his fate.

Weapon of the Lich King eh?What did she do?Pick up the pieces of Frostmourne while she was in The Frozen Throne and then glued them back together?Or you could be talking about the Val'kyr (I honestly hope you are because that thing with Frostmourne was a joke) well...they pretty much saved her from an Eternal Pit of aimless wandering and suffering where Sylvanas would have had to exist untill the end of existance.And what did they want in return?Thats right just to join the Forsaken ranks.That wold both empower The Forsaken and show us that The Banshee Queen is oh so very grateful to the Val'kyr that saved her from Death TWICE.

And Funden if you honestly think that Sylvanas hasnt proven herself as a (good...wtF?) Great Leadder then I see no point in arguing with you.

Сообщение от Adamsm

Now that we settled that up what in the name of fresh faceless ones do you mean?Maghta has something to do with the Forsaken?Thats new...Right off her page:
For reasons known only to herself at this time, Magatha has given more aid to the Forsaken than any other high-ranking tauren such as Cairne Bloodhoof or Hamuul Runetotem. This has included arguing on their behalf when the idea of forming an alliance with them was first suggested. Ostensibly she's helped them and continues to work closely with them because she feels the tauren and their ways can help the Forsaken find a path back to being human. Skeptics believe her motives to be much less altruistic. Skeptics also do not trust the Forsaken. It is also implied in the quest Arikara that the serpent seeks her, not Cairne Bloodhoof as she suggests. Magatha tried to negotiate with the troggs of Ragefire Chasm but was met with hostility.

Yes,Thrall is a full-time traitor.Illidant the second if you might.Who made him leave the Horde?He can just leave all the 'Balancing Of The Elements' story to Muln Earthfury.It just goes to show that Thrall would do anything to leave The Horde.I...have no words at all.....

I dont know what feeling you get but Lorewise its perfectly fine to be a Forsaken without belonging to the Forsaken Faction.Its just that you will have to live on your own and survive on your own without any help at all...and thats not fun at all isnt it?On top of that Blizzard wont waste there time to create an Alternative Story-Line for Undead who choose not to serve the Banshee Queen.I would also like to mention that Marcus Redpath would have lived without any disburbance from Sylvanas when he choose not to join but what did he do?He wanted to attack Deathkneel.Well all I can say is that he deserved his faith?Many Undead who don't agree with Sylvanas have done just that; the ones in the Argent Dawn/Crusade for instance. And Marcus attacked because he was forcibly raised up as an Undead after the Forsaken had destroyed his home....really can't blame him for doing that.

Weapon of the Lich King eh?What did she do?Pick up the pieces of Frostmourne while she was in The Frozen Throne and then glued them back together?Or you could be talking about the Val'kyr (I honestly hope you are because that thign with Frostmourne was a joke) well...they pretty much saved her from an Eternal Pit of aimless wandering and suffering where Sylvanas would have had to exist untill the end of existance.And what did they want in return?Thats right just to join the Forsaken ranks.That wold both empower The Forsaken and show us that The Banshee Queen is oh so very grateful to the Val'kyr that saved her from Death TWICE.And they were still the most loyal of the servants of the Lich King; at least if we kill Sylvanas one more time, then kill off those last two Val'kyr's, she can never come back again if we kill her that last time. As for why they want to join the Forsaken.....Lich Queen coming, and a final raid to destroy Sylvanas more then likely as she keeps doing more and more horrific things across Azeroth.

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

Thrall-I know I know to you it sounds absurdish doesnt it?Well to me it sounds absurdish that Funden doesnt find Sylvanas to be a (good...wtf?) Great Leadder and I have no words for that either.

Magtha-Oh that old Tauren?Hah,you cant blame the Forsaken for being sympathetic to her.It seems that im not the only one supporting the Forsaken (Thanks for the aid Magtha).

Marcus-I cant blame him?You dont see the other 2 'forcibly' raised Forsaken to nerdrage at Deathkneel all of a sudden.If Redpath hated us so badly he could just leave Deathkneel and join the Argent Dawn in search for revenge or something.Instead he choose to literally ASK for his Death thus making Sylvanas look bad.Arrogant as every Human.

Val'kyr-Yes,yes they were one of the most loyal to the Lich King.But they saved Sylvanas from Death TWICE (and if you knew you were damned to an Eternal Pit you would also do ANYTHING to escape Death) and empower the Forsaken Ranks even more then the Blight does.Neither I or Sylvanas ever regret accepting the Val'kyr.About your raid fantasies...if Sylvanas ever turned Lich Queen she'd wipe everyone and everything untill no one is left to 'raid' her.So believe me you hope that raid never does happen...

Сообщение от Adamsm

Thrall-I know I know to you it sounds absurdish doesnt it?Well to me it sounds absurdish that Funden doesnt find Sylvanas to be a (good...wtf?) Great Leadder and I have no words for that either.Because she's an insane genocidial sociopath who thinks everyone should be dead? Why does that sound familiar.....

Magtha-Oh that old Tauren?Hah,you cant blame the Forsaken for being sympathetic to her.It seems that im not the only one supporting the Forsaken (Thanks for the aid Magtha).Still means that Sylvanas doesn't really care that much about the death of Cairne...and hopefully, the rest of the Horde will start to clue in and rethink allowing her to remain in the group.

Marcus-I cant blame him?You dont see the other 2 'forcibly' raised Forsaken to nerdrage at Deathkneel all of a sudden.If Redpath hated us s obadly he could just leave Deathkneel and not make Sylvanas look bad...but no arrogant like every Human.Again, his entire town was destroyed by a weapon of mass destruction, then he was forcibly transformed into something he hates; that's going to make anyone's mind snap.

Val'kyr-Yes,yes they were one of the most loyal to the Lich King.But they saved Sylvanas from Death TWICE (and if you knew you were damned to an Eternal Pit you would also do ANYTHING to escape Death) and empower the Forsaken Ranks even more then the Blight does.Neither I or Sylvanas ever regret accepting the Val'kyr.About your raid fantasies...if Sylvanas ever turned Lich Queen she'd wipe everyone and everything untill no one is left to 'raid' her.So believe me you hope that raid never does happen...

And who knows what that's doing to degrade Sylvanas mind more and more...and really, since she's an undead, just send in Velen and the Naaru and the Undead problem will be over in a few hours, since the Holy Light burns them to the very core.

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

1.She does NOT want everything to be undead like Arthas.She wants the Forsaken to survive by all means neccesery.

2.She does not give a &*!@ about Cairne I just said that because of his death it's highly unlikely for Sylvanas to listen to whatever Garrosh tells her to.If the Horde knows what's good for them (and they do because they are an intelligent major faction) they wont turn against Sylvanas.Even if they wanted to they wont focus on Sylvanas untill Garrosh has been dealt with.He is leading the Horde to ruin and you think he will remain Warchief?No....

3.As i said earlier he can join the Argent Dawn in search for revenge or something.There he can plain his vengence (aldo if he did it wouldnt have been succsesful) instead of literally ASKING for his Death thus making Sylvanas look bad.Arrogant as every Human.

4.Nothing will degrade Sylvanas's mind she is powerful enough to resist.Not that she has somethign to resist to since the Val'kyr are extremly loyal to her.Yes,yes they are.

5.If those pathetic Naaru ever try it the Forsaken will either turn to demonic magic or join the Old Gods.Then everyone will hate on Velen for doing the most fatal to Azeroth mistake in the Planet's History.

Сообщение от Adamsm

Сообщение от killerdinoblood

4.Nothing will degrade Sylvanas's mind she is powerful enough to resist.Not that she has somethign to resist to since the Val'kyr are extremly loyal to her.Yes,yes they are.Her mind is already degrading....if it wasn't, she wouldn't have tried to kill herself in the first place after the Lich King was destroyed.

You have a valid point there but her whole unlife was dedicated into killing Arthas.After that occured the tough that there wasnt anything left for her in the world of the living drove her to the tough of suicide.Not to mention that aldo her dedication she wasnt even there when Arthas died.That is a serious blow to sane thinking.However thats just another reason for Sylvanas to be grateful to the Val'kyr.Not only did they saved her from death TWICE but they gave her a reason to live for.There was just no chance she wouldnt accept them or ever doubt the Val'kyr.

Also if an Army of Naaru were coming to Holy Nuke the Forsaken someone will defenetly forsee this.I mean such an attack doesnt happen every day you know.And if it does like i said The Forsaken will turn to Demonic Magic or The Old Gods.

Сообщение от Adamsm

You have a valid point there but her whole unlife was dedicated into killing Arthas.After that occured the tough that there wasnt anything left for her in the world of the living drove her to the tough of suicide.Not to mention that aldo her dedication she wasnt even there when Arthas died.That is a serious blow to sane thinking.However thats just another reason for Sylvanas to be grateful to the Val'kyr.Not only did they saved her from death TWICE but they gave her a reason to live for.There was just no chance she wouldnt accept them or ever doubt the Val'kyr.And yet her entire position changed to using her people as a shield rather then arrow after the deaths of the Val'kyr the first time...so why is still spending her people's lives like so many copper coins?

Also if an Army of Naaru were coming to Holy Nuke the Forsaken someone will defenetly forsee this.I mean such an attack doesnt happen every day you know.And if it does like i said The Forsaken will turn to Demonic Magic or The Old Gods.

You forget about the Tempest Keep and it's plane shifting engines; they'd be above the Undercity before the Forsaken could realize what's happening.

Koltira Deathweaver is a Failure

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