Is it okay NOT to heal in order to teach a lesson?

Сообщение от Nadjona

GDay,

I definitley wouldn't let DPS die on Heroics. As mentioned already, most ppl are happy to faceroll them and get quick through.

Often the DPS goes especially hard if they notice they have a good heals, fair enough I think. If you just CAN'T keep them up, they probably won't do it again by themselves.

As for your group chat I would consider something like "Please let the tank build aggro first" or "Please watch your aggro, I have problems healing" nicer then your "Who is the tank", that sound a bit too smart ass for me and might provoke people. So I heal as good as I can, if the group doesn't stay alive, I try to analyse the problem.

With my tank Alt I had a very bad experience with a healer. I did H TOC, and did a ready check before the first boss (just because I had groups where I pulled as tank and we wiped cause heals wasn't ready). The healer then said to me "Pull idiot, this is not a raid". That was the first communication in group chat. I ignored it.

When the boss was nearly down, I died. The healer wrote in Party chat "That's repair costs for you tank, for being slow". As I couldn't kick him for another 7 minutes or so I left the group, bad for the DPS who qued and bad for himself as he had to wait for a new tank. So, bottom line is, DON'T try to teach a lesson, there are enough jerks out there who do it already.

Cheers.

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Сообщение от SeaOfHoles

Is it ok for a DPS to stop DPSing to teach a lesson?

Sure. With a good tank, I've 3 and 4 (even 2 ... I think) manned more than a handful of the bosses after DPS got themselves killed.

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Сообщение от Squishalot

Eh, I would've booted the DPS if he kept aggro'ing or chain pulling without the tank after a warning. Stuff this 'no heals' business. This, admittedly, is one problem with LFD. My brother and I (tank and DPS) ran a dungeon just yesterday when there was almost no communication between us and the other players at all, despite our best efforts. "Does anyone need food?" *silence* "Does anyone here have Recount?" *silence* "I'll take out the frost tombs generally, can someone bust me out if I get tombed?" *silence*

"Can someone break me out of this tomb?" *silence, no break, no heals*

We had no qualms with subsequently leaving the group in silence between 1st and 2nd bosses, since we had to go. Don't need to waste time on a silent group who aggroed the 1st boss during the trash pull.

As a tank (Paladin), if you pull aggro from me, I'll pull it back, that's my job. If you initially pull mobs, you tank it, and I've no qualms with the healer letting you die.

I DPS as a 70s Frost Mage every so often. Rarely, I will get lucky with a Deep Freeze crit semi-early into a trash pull (read: 5-6 seconds in) that pulls aggro. That's life with bursty damage - it's not really my fault, and I'll expect the tank to pull it back and to be healed any damage if necessary (usually from JoL or AoE abilities, not dedicated heals).

I rarely heal, but I'm not at the stage where I'm good enough to deny heals to crappy players, since I'm still a crappy healer. But really, I'd only not heal DPS who pull ahead of the tank, as opposed to those who take aggro because of RNG / tank not geared / doing his job properly.

Сообщение от rudderduck

i heal regardless if ther being jerks or bad players it's my job to keep the group alive as best i can if i can keep a bad group alive then i did my job plus bad groups really test you as a healer to see if your good or average

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Сообщение от cohut

I think this is a personal matter of opinion. If you feel that its ok, sure its okay.
IMO you're still doing your job, your job is to heal tank and to heal AOEdamage.
If the DPS doesnt do their job properly and either takes damage from aoe which could easily have been avoided, other abilities which could have been easily avoided or overaggroing(which also can easily be avoided if you're using a treathmeter) thats their fault and not your job to heal.

If I could be arsed to use twice as much time in heroics I wouldnt heal DPS who overaggroed.
But that brings us to another question: Do you want to use extra time to ress and buff the dps who died? + he will probably do less damage after dying due to being more careful.
Personally i push dps to go and pull if tank is slow, if they dont i go pull myself.

but also note that: atm i dont heal hcs anymore, i find it boring and go shadow instead. I try to solo groups if tank is slow (usualy succesful) and I'm quite aware that if i die, its my own fault and not healers fault, so i release and run asap.

well, i might overexagerate a bit, if tank is %^&*tygeared or healer is %^&*tygeared i tend to be a bit more careful, but i usualy bring a healer, tank or both when doing hcs.

yes im a nightmare to do HCs with, but if you can bare with me, you're gonna be finished twice as fast :))

edit: on tanktoon i actually enjoy dps trying to push as much as possible, i feel that it gives me more of a challenge to try and keep aggro, i do enjoy a challenge.

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Сообщение от TheJohan

I've healed alot of groups with bad tanks who gets overaggroed all the time. But as someone previously stated, it makes it more interesting.

I love healing bad groups. As long as they are civil, and refrain from calling eachother profanities. I'd rather heal a bad group through a whole instance, than having people leave halfway through.

That said. Sometimes i "forget" to heal very rude people. I dislike rude people more than i dislike people who don't know how to play the game.

Сообщение от thensley2k7

1. Hunters feign death when they pull agro. If they don't they're considered terrible.
Point taken. Therefore, 99.76% of hunters are terrible.
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I haven't had a pug DPS in months who's actually used their threat-reducing cooldowns (MD/FD, Fade, IceBlock/Images/Invis, etc). Running with guildies is another story - I know I can count on all three DPS to stay off of the top of my Omen. Not so much with LFD PuGs. Hey, if a mage wants to do nothing but spam blizzard immediately starting each trash pull, that's their priority, I won't rain on their parade. I'll let the ^&*!ed off mobs do the parade-raining.

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Is it okay NOT to heal in order to teach a lesson?

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