If YOU were God...

Сообщение от MyTie

There's only you there. By not deciding, you decide to side with the attacker.

You get put in the position of "all knowing wise judge of life and death" by the circumstances, and the only thing you can do is do the job as best you can - no one else will.

And tell me, do you really have a problem swatting insects?

Your arguement is irrational. No, I don't have a problem with swatting insects. I didn't think I had to specify the life we were talking about as 'human'. I didn't think the woman was being raped by a mosquito, or a june bug.

As far as the 'circumstances making you the judge', I fully disagree. Just because you are in a position where you have the capability to decide death from life, right from wrong, does not make you the qualified individual, nor does it make it ok for you to do so.

And the arguement about passiveness is 'siding with the attacker', is again, a flawed arguement. Siding with the attacker would be holding down the person getting attacked.

Besides, I didn't say I wouldn't step in on her behalf. I actually said that I WOULD step in on her behalf, I just wouldn't use the gun unless the situation deteriorated into the need for defense of life. In which case, that would be a different question.

It seems the only right answer for patty and you are to whip that gun out, shoot, then ask questions. What if the woman is a has scitzophrenia, and the man is a doctor who is trying to administer drugs to her. What if she was attacking and trying to rob HIM, and he is now trying to wrestle the gun away from her. By shooting him, you are letting her regain the fight, and she might then shoot you to cover up. What if... What if... What if... THE POINT IS... until more facts are known, my gun will stay holstered. You two will no talk me out of that.

Сообщение от moocow

Your arguement is irrational. No, I don't have a problem with swatting insects. I didn't think I had to specify the life we were talking about as 'human'. I didn't think the woman was being raped by a mosquito, or a june bug.

As far as the 'circumstances making you the judge', I fully disagree. Just because you are in a position where you have the capability to decide death from life, right from wrong, does not make you the qualified individual, nor does it make it ok for you to do so.
But you don't have a problem being the all knowing wise judge of life and death for insects.

And the arguement about passiveness is 'siding with the attacker', is again, a flawed arguement. Siding with the attacker would be holding down the person getting attacked.Except that she's already losing. You don't need to hold her down, just let him get on with it. The result is the same.

Besides, I didn't say I wouldn't step in on her behalf. I actually said that I WOULD step in on her behalf, I just wouldn't use the gun unless the situation deteriorated into the need for defense of life. In which case, that would be a different question.In which case, you'd still let them be if there was nothing you could do aside from killing.

It seems the only right answer for patty and you are to whip that gun out, shoot, then ask questions. What if the woman is a has scitzophrenia, and the man is a doctor who is trying to administer drugs to her. What if she was attacking and trying to rob HIM, and he is now trying to wrestle the gun away from her. By shooting him, you are letting her regain the fight, and she might then shoot you to cover up. What if... What if... What if... What if she never recovers, what if she commits suicide. But yes, there's no right answer to it.

THE POINT IS... until more facts are known, my gun will stay holstered. You two will no talk me out of that.*nods* That's the downside to all arguments like this, they just end up with "because I think it's better".

Сообщение от MyTie

1) You got me there... I kill insects all the time... and bacteria... by the millions... every time I brush my teeth or wash my hands. It's a holocaust, except... not at all.

2) Who said she's losing? It's a dark night. If I could tell these things as difinitive fact, that she was being raped, 100% malicously, without a doubt in my mind... I can still stop the average dude without using a gun. Military training and all....

3) The situation was never presented as 'your only option is to shoot the person in the head'. So, there ARE other options.

4) If she commits suicide, that doesn't make what I did or didn't do wrong. Besides, that is no way to base a decision like murder on, especially spur of the moment in a dark alley without all the facts.

5) The whole conversation is subjective, your right. In some people's minds, if they have a gun and are walking in the park and there are two people telling jokes and drinking tea on a red checkered picknic linen... they need to die. Who is right and who is wrong? No scientific test has been formulated yet. I still say patience and prudence when faced with the life or death of human beings. Empathy and all...

Сообщение от moocow

Rereading the text, it's more gray than I first assumed (thinking he was hurting / about to hurt instead of trying to in a more even struggle - but if so, how would we know he was trying to hurt her?). Then, yes, I wouldn't do anything immediately.

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Сообщение от remains

I'd remove cancer and natural death...
So people will finaly realise they're just killing eachother instead of God.

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Сообщение от Interest

The idea of the emo genre and music would not exist if i were in charge.

But something would surely fill the void...

Сообщение от ArgentSun

Okay, let's clarify my scenario.

A man is doing bad things to a woman. You see they are bad things. The bad things might lead to a death if you decide to go find a pair of dice and roll them to determine what to do.

Gods, people, you look for traps everywhere!

Сообщение от HiVolt

I think I'll have to side with MyTie on this. Even in the new, more clarified situation.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't act, but I would act so as to not take a life if it isn't necessary for my survival. The first thing I would do differently though, instead of rushing in to do my best to subdue the attacker, I would call the officials and report the situation. Afterward, I would act.

The only way that I would threaten death, would be if someone's life was in immediate danger. Be it a beating, a rape, or just a misunderstanding on my part, there is no need to bring the fate of someone else into your own hands, unless it directly conflicts with you.

Now, were I to come across the same scene and it wasn't some random man or woman, I may act differently. Say, if it were my wife or some other woman I feel strong emotional attachment to, being beaten or raped, or having bad things done to her, I would act immediately and ask questions later. But I would say that I would still not take a life unless there were already a life in immediate danger. If my shot is going to save this significant woman from death, right now in this moment, then I will shoot.

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Сообщение от MyTie

I think all of you are wrong. If you were God, you would do nothing different.

Let's look at this from a scientific standpoint. Let's say that if there is a God, he is perfect. If God is perfect, then if you were God, you would be identical to the God that we have. If that were the case, you would make exactly the same decisions.
If 'God' would be perfect, there won't be ill people, children dying, rogues,...

Like I said... you can't have perfection and choice at the same time. So, maybe perfection is imperfection.

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Сообщение от MyTie

Make all the Intelligent beings in the Universe(s) human beings

and make the moon a beach ball. a GIANT beach ball

Define intelligence? Did you just turn all mammals into humans? I guess it won't matter to earth very much. The loss of gravitational pull from the moon will definately throw the spin of the earth off, not to mention the heat gained from the gravitational fight. Life will almost certianly die.

I hope you enjoy your beach ball. You make a terrible diety.

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