Epics in ZG and ZA, Whats the Point?

Сообщение от Adamsm

Lol, I guess logic stings eh? And it actually does, since your opening post has the disinformation there.

And also, I can't remember if you've ever said you played in BC or not, but it's ironic that ZA is playing the same part it did during the 3rd quarter of BC: Helping people get geared up to proceed to the next tier of raids. Similar to Halcyon and the Red Portal raid at the end of Wrath to give a small boost as well to ICC and possibly break the endless boring raids there.

Small patches with one or two dungeons have happened before, will continue to happen, and probably will always happen; from Vanilla to Wrath to Cata, it happens. Hell, all through Vanilla, there were just small patches that existed solely to release the newest dungeons, which had the final one with UBRS/Stratholme and Scholomance before the raids started appearing.

Again, complaining about nothing in all honesty. And sorry if you see it like that, but you have to realize, on a forum, people are going to have different opinions then yours; and I also don't like people who spread disinformation.

Сообщение от Cambo

Blizzard said gearing progress goes as such:

Normals -> Heroics -> ZA/ZG -> Raids

Сообщение от Interest

the real question is...when is 4.1 coming?

Soon.

(Heard something about next week)

Сообщение от Gone

and I also don't like people who spread disinformation.

what's the point of picking up the Rep Epics since you'll just replace them in the raids?

*sniff sniff* ahh the sweet sweet stench of hypocrisy

I dont care if people disagree with me, but did you honestly expect a comment like

......Alright. So what was the point of this thread, beyond attempting to spread misinformation?

in responce to me saying that it was my opinion that this being a numbered patch, which they pretty much stopped doing with minor stuff since vanilla, was pointless, would lead to anything constructive?

Сообщение от Adamsm

See there's that word again 'Your opinion'; not official information.

And not really; I know quite a few people who got rid of rep gear once they got the gear out of the raids.

But I do notice you ignored the rest of my points there; couldn't think of a response eh?

Seriously, this entire thread is pointless; just start a blog site instead and you can say what you want about anything you want.

Edit: In fact, as soon as the moderator chimed in there, you should have realized what you were saying was wrong....but instead, you continued to put forward that wrong information as correct.

Сообщение от Gone

And not really; I know quite a few people who got rid of rep gear once they got the gear out of the raids.

But I do notice you ignored the rest of my points there; couldn't think of a response eh?

Seriously, this entire thread is pointless; just start a blog site instead and you can say what you want about anything you want.

Huh didnt know you were a mod all the sudden you decide what people do or do not poste on this site

As to me not responding to your "points" if thats what you choose to call them, i have two things to say

1) I wouldnt talk, you do that too so does everyone, it dosnt means i dont have a responce, it just means that i find your point, pointless

2) You claim this thread is pointless, but we have had 2 pages of people actualy discussing it, then about half a page of you trolling it, so obviously other people do not think its pointless and wish to discuss the matter. If your posts are not going to be contructive please just keep them to yourself

See there's that word again 'Your opinion'; not official information.

ummmmmmmm, i said it was "my opinion" that 4.1 should be saved for firelands, and that this should be a sub patch. How would they "confirm" something like that? what a patch should be can only ever be somones opinion. More proff that you arent even really reading this, just trolling

Сообщение от xaratherus

Hrm. I actually count more like, a page-and-a-half of people disagreeing with your original post, correcting the misinformation, and then about a half-a-page of Adamsm telling you that your information was incorrect, and a page of you and Adamsm bickering.

what a patch should be can only ever be somones opinion.

Most software companies have fairly well-defined guidelines as to what constitutes a version, a patch, and a hot fix, actually.

Blizzard planned on 4.1 being the introduction of the Firelands raids. However, they were dissatisfied with the number of people who had experienced the current raid content and decided to push it back. By that distinction we can assume that 'patch' does not equate to 'new raid'.

Or it could be arbitrary designations. But I doubt it.

Сообщение от lonewarrior

More charity epics for people who need to have their color fix without the necessity of effort.
Well, as long as it doesn't convince them into thinking they can now response to raid pug spams, because they believe epics makes them "leet", I say let them have their fix.

How many years now have people been complaining about the acquisition of epics outside of raids? 4-5 years? Sounds like it's about time for you to stop thinking you're "leet" because you have epics.

How much "effort" does it take you to raid by the way? You make it sound hard.

4 or 5 years? :/
Obviously written by a Wrath baby.
Epics don't make anyone leet...agreed. Killing bosses does.
Blizz did this at the tail end of Wrath with the release of the TOC/ICC dungeons. Go do your leg work and search the threads of that period and read how many bad raid pugs people were running into. Not hard...hmmm yet Blizz needed to provide a 30% buff to try and get people through ICC and still people failed. The Wrath scrubs continue to breed and where Blizz was suppose to raise the bar again in Cata...we get capitulation again. They think they are doing the better players a favor by attempting to gear up the numnuts, but all they end up doing is diluting the challenge that acquiring epics was suppose to represent. Seeing someone wearing epics at one time made you want to learn all you could to earn them too. Kind of reminds me of tattoos. Once only the people who lived on the edge had them. They represented a social statement good or bad. Now even homebody nerds have them. They are so prolific that tattoos no longer represent anything, people wear them like a fashion. "oh nice jeans...cool tattoo" sought of like epic gear.
But as an older adult who has witness this generation believe that challenging is to give everyone in a little league a trophy so they can all feel like champs, I'm not surprised.
For anyone who might be ready to post " then quit playing", don't bother, I have let my sub run out. Going to go give Rift a try with family and some close guild members and see if I can't find that challenge again.
PS. To Hamandeggs
I am far from leet. I'm just your average casual player. But unlike the Wrath babies I don't think I'm entitled to anything I can't earn the hard way. I pay kudos to the players who down bosses I may never see. I want to be able to progress at my own pace and be happy with what I am accomplishing through diligent effort, without Blizz coming along and patching it all down the drain.
To end it all, the difference between between what I think is a challenge from what wrath babies think.
I'd rather swing and miss and at a fastball by Doc Halladay, then crow I hit a homer off a batting T.
Peace !

Сообщение от 193475

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Сообщение от Deepthought

Similar to Halcyon and the Red PortalHalion. Halion.

How do people still make this mistake? =/

Сообщение от Adamsm

Similar to Halcyon and the Red PortalHalion. Halion.

How do people still make this mistake? =/

Never actually fought him =p.

Сообщение от Monday

Similar to Halcyon and the Red PortalHalion. Halion.

How do people still make this mistake? =/

Isn't Halcyon a kind of shellfish?

4 or 5 years? :/
Obviously written by a Wrath baby.

Close to four years, so not too far off the mark. Also, please, have you ever heard of line breaks? PLEASE!

Сообщение от Azrile

Сообщение от lonewarrior

I am far from leet. I'm just your average casual player. But unlike the Wrath babies I don't think I'm entitled to anything I can't earn the hard way. I pay kudos to the players who down bosses I may never see. I want to be able to progress at my own pace and be happy with what I am accomplishing through diligent effort, without Blizz coming along and patching it all down the drain.
To end it all, the difference between between what I think is a challenge from what wrath babies think.
I'd rather swing and miss and at a fastball by Doc Halladay, then crow I hit a homer off a batting T.
Peace !

Honestly dude, I am not trying to flame you but i think you way overstate the effort required to raid or down raid bosses on regular difficulty. I started raiding with Karazhan and did up to bt in bc and up to icc in wrath but I never really thought it required that much work on my part to acquire epics and I raided primarly as a healer for most of that time. What is had is giving up so much of your time and waiting around in vent for an hour while people gather flasks then need to have fights explained to them etc. That is what made me give up raiding during wrath, along with the time and all the @#$%^&s I met along the way. I don't feel entitled to epics but at the same time I am fine just doing heroics right now when I play and grinding valor to get an epic or two. That doesn't mean I am somehow a worse player than a guy who is getting carried through the current raids(which is usually close to half of a regular raid) because i know the kind of player I am. People just need to stop being so uptight about something that is just a video game and nothing more.

Then I wasn't talking about you. You are a good player. I don't find raiding beyond anyone's capabilities. Kara was my first intro in raids as well. Who didn't love that dungeon. Probably Blizzs best design/fun raid. Did they need to incorporate a 30% buff back then ?
How awful would it had been to players never to know what a fun challenging raid that was had they done so.
There shouldn't be a regular raid difficulty and a hard one. Just one is enough.
Your a BC player...couldn't fashion epics for sale back then could you, if I remember my history.
I went into dept to fashion my Blazyfury for my warrior when I hit 70. It was my first epic. I wore it with pride and constantly received compliments on it. I put in the time to acquire the mats and blacksmith all the way up.
Epics in heroics could only be earned after enough rep and a key. Proof that you did your leg work.
I didn't have any problems doing it, it appears you didn't as well.
Enchanted /gem gear, flasks, food, knowing the fights....I never showed up unprepared. I owed it to the guy next to me to be at my best.
You see I am of the school of thought that easiness breeds laziness/sloppiness.
Read some of my pre-Cata posts. You will read me posting how poorly/sloppy/etc the second half wrath babies were running the LFD. Horrible techniques Why..because they were too friggin easy. I predicted that if Blizz held true to returning dungeons back to their original difficulty in Cata, that chaos would ensue in the LFD. If only I could have bet on my prediction.
There is no reason why everyone can't be a good player. Leave them to their own pace and most people will find their niche. Create an atmosphere where only end game gear matters and you have a stampede of unprepared players. As it has been said many times over..gear can't save stinky players, but it sure can camouflage the stench long enough for them to slip into a pug raid and ruin any hope of progression.

Сообщение от lonewarrior

4 or 5 years? :/
Obviously written by a Wrath baby.

Close to four years, so not too far off the mark. Also, please, have you ever heard of line breaks? PLEASE!

I'll add a bouncing ball next time so you can follow along.

Сообщение от Gone

Again though: What is the point of spreading misinformation? Never mind that a simple trip to the PTR would have busted it; did you feel like you had to come here and tell everyone that 'Oh look, against any and all utter logic, Blizzard has made it that there is no way to DE dungeon drops, which, other then tier trade in items, has never occurred in the game before now'; seriously though, if you don't see that as trolling, whatever.

Yes, you can't DE rep items, but can you honestly name one item out of a dungeon, that wasn't a vanity item or the tier token, that couldn't be DE'ed, whether it was a Green, a Blue or an Epic level item?

Ok once again, because as i said, if they can in fact be disenchanted for malestorms, i was unaware of that, and it really does not change my originial poste. Honestly if you are just going to argue for arguments sake im just going to ignore you

I don´t want to nitpik, but you based your original post on three pieces of information that are incorrect, or at least misleading.

1. They can be disenchanted into crystals

2. Naxx epics also did not count for the epic achievement.. and that was even a raid.

3. While you may not think these new 353´s are an upgrade, they ARE an upgrade for a lot of players... in fact, probably the majority of players. There are probably a lot of players out there that are in mostly 346s, with a few rep 359s and a few lingering 333s. Not everyone raids, and not everyone is facerolling heroics non-stop yet.

I am not really criticizing you for starting this thread.. but it was a little too negative.. like Blizzard was being stupid.

1) i was unaware that they could be DE into malestorms, as I said, i was misinformed

2) 25 naxx did indeed drop 213

3) as I said from the begining i really dont care if the new heroics drop epics or not, none of them are an upgrade for me and i really dont care if anyone els gets epics easy or not. People who just dont want others to get epics fast or easy because they didnt are just stupid. Im not against it or anything i was just curious, I was just bickering because adam was either trolling me or couldnt grasp the concept of what i was saying.

Hell if people need them for upgrades more power to them, all i was saying was that they would be just as big upgrades if they were 353 blues, and they just dont seem like "epics" to me, I dont have a problem with it at all though

Сообщение от lebugg

I thought greens, blues and epics had different item budgets. like an item level 200 epic in Wrath, would have more stats than an item level 200 blue. There are not any 359 blues to compare with the epics, but I have noticed that greens in Cata have the same amount of stats as equal item level blues. If this is something new and itemization is the same on all gear regardless of being greens, epics, or rares, then what is the point to even having color coding anymore? Has Blizzard made any kind of statement on this that I may have missed?

Сообщение от OverZealous

I don't know about you guys, but I sure as hell consider a patch with 2 new heroics, new gear, new mounts, new achievements and other minor changes to the game a content patch.

Also, Ryjacork, back in WotLK, Naxx, VoA and Sarth 10 (which were all entry-level raids) all dropped iLvl 200 gear, and 200-gear did not count towards the Epic achievement. They did, however, disenchant into Abyss Crystals , just as the ZA/ZG epics will (in all likelihood?) disenchant into Maelstrom Crystals.

Сообщение от Monday

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