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Сообщение от
PrimeSonic
Since we got an extra 3% from talents last grand patch, I've been slowly build up my crit to about 30something-odd percent.
Raid buffed I go well over 40%, in 5mans I tend to be over 35% crit.
When is it enough? Since I can't put a price on Divine Aegis, I don't know where to stop.
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Сообщение от
karlusdavius
10% unbuffed haste
25% crit is the general feeling at the moment.
No point in getting more haste than 10% as we use short casting spells anyway.
More crit is now very good. DA proc's on overhealing so its wortht rying to stack more crit once haste is reached
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karlusdavius
So to add to the crit question, what's too much haste?
Karlusdavius's advice is based on healing 5mans it seems, but you mentioned Ulduar, where haste benefits all disc priests a lot more than crit does, and only the very best disc priests should be in there anyway, since Holy's raid heals are all but required, and nothing Disc does (except for PW:S ) is really necessary for most encounters, let alone on hard modes.
i have no clue what you mean by that. but its so wrong. My advice is for every type of raid. 10% is good to aim for as the raid buffs increase it more. Lowering the base cast time for flash heal and penance is your objective. however you don't want it to go so low that clips the GCD. that's just annoying except when your using penance in conjunction with PW:S. 10% haste plus the BT buff haste is very nice spike recovery.
so abzoloot obviously isn't in ulduar, since only the best can go there.
QQ MOAR!
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Paolo
...you mentioned Ulduar, where ... only the very best disc priests should be in there anyway, since Holy's raid heals are all but required, and nothing Disc does (except for PW:S ) is really necessary for most encounters, let alone on hard modes.
Where to begin.
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Сообщение от
OscarDivine
Where to begin.
Begin with your experience healing in Ulduar as disc vs holy, and then end with a statement that is contradictory to mine.
What's that? You came to the same conclusion as me?
I'll retract my statements when someone with a clue wants to counter them. Otherwise, I think too many of you spend more time reading about the game than playing it.
Alright... Well I do raid Ulduar on a weekly basis and I will tell you that while a Disciplines priest is Not REQUIRED, it IS VERY helpful to have one. The Mitigation afforded to the other raid tank healers cannot be ignored. If your raids aren't making use of this, you may be under-utilizing a great resource.
I dual spec Holy/Disco and go to which ever spec is needed for the fight. Usually we have paladins on our MT, but if one is not available or we want extra mitigation on our tank, I will MT heal.
For a Disco priest Crit is still >> Haste until you get a good amount, which I would say (without doing the math for it) is around 25% unbuffed. Then Haste is absolutely the better skill to have because your throughput increases directly and you get a nice bang for your item budget buck.
BTW, your arrogance is not welcome here Abzoloot. Please check it at the door next time you post.
edit: I see you retracted your statement Abzoloot. I won't change my quote though.
Сообщение от
PrimeSonic
Okay, I just switched out a gem and fell to a flat 30.00% crit chance. Personally, I'll want to stay around 30% crit and work up Haste from there as it becomes possible.
Right now I have 5.18% haste, but that's not counting the +6% bonus from Enlightenment. Can't say what I'm really getting since the numbers don't seem to calculate into what I'm expecting them to be.
For reference, my Flash heal goes off in 1.35 seconds.
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Сообщение от
Paolo
No disc priest worth his raid spot (over holy at least)...
Why do I keep lol'ing at your posts? It's like you're just tossing out random comments that make little sense. Unless your guild is stacked full of priests, this shouldn't be happening. Disc and holy (generally) occupy different niches of the healing spectrum. I raid happily with two holies (and some trees); we all contribute different strengths to our raid.
...is raiding with less than 15% haste
Whatever. Success at doing your job requires skill & awareness most of all...not necessarily 15% haste (not that it doesn't help). Then again, you're the guy who said
...only the very best disc priests should be in anyway...
/lol
/ignore
Prime, at your level of gear, it's all good. Keep stacking both. In fact, as you move into Ulduar (and I hope you do soon!) you'll find it hard to avoid either, and that's good. You'll know (from your own experience) what you need more of. Ulduar is very different from Naxx, so just pay attention and be ready to shift things around. In Naxx, I'd say keep yourself crit-heavy, but for Ulduar you'll want more haste. (And in both places, spellpower rules the day anyway.) Just don't look for exact numbers! If you want to see people debating this question, visit the
EJ thread
. Hardhat required.
Сообщение от
OscarDivine
If you've got 20% crit and less than 350 haste rating as disc, haste will help you more than crit. If you cast PW:S every 3rd to 5th cast, you lose more to GCDs than you can gain from another 30% crit.
That's what
Borrowed Time
is for.
Сообщение от
karlusdavius
No disc priest worth his raid spot (over holy at least) is raiding with less than 15% haste.
o dear. dear, dear, dear. 10% haste is the number to stack, because in a raid environment the other 10% is made up from buffs. Hence, 20% haste. Gratz on your knowledge of the game my friend, you just argued against a point that you made. I will forever listen to your posts.
Basically, once you hit 25% HOLY crit, stack adding in some haste. You will find that with enlightenment, you really don't need to stack a massive number of haste to reach 10%. Its very easy. So keep going the way you are going. Raid buffed i end up with over 30% crit and around 9.50% haste. Very equal and balanced numbers to have.
btw, thanks to paolo, prime, oscar and the rest for the back up. thought i would have to get popcorn! om nom nom
Сообщение от
PrimeSonic
Just to clarify, Enlightenment is granting 6% spellhaste. Is that 10% counting with or without it?
If that be the case, You'd actually be closer to 15% Haste when aiming for 10%.
Just some clarification needed.
Сообщение от
OscarDivine
I think that this discussion of 20% vs 25% crit and 10% vs 15% haste... is non-productive. None of us seem to have any math to back up the number you say, it's just what we all "feel"is appropriate. and if you DO have numbers and math to back it up, please post because what we're doing here isn't theory-crafting. It's just bickering about whether or not 5% here or there is more important. In the end, think it all washes out.
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Сообщение от
karlusdavius
Theory crafting with enlightenment is a pain. like, really a pain. However, seems we have drifted off on a different river than what the OP was looking for.
Your crit levels are fine. There is no really crit cap however if you want to improve your HPS rather than your Mitigation, which is seems you have more than enough of, i would recommend 10% haste value to shoot at (or getting your flash heals down to around 1 second to 1.2 seconds without BT buff. Have a go, see how it feels. if you don't like it you can always pop back onto crit.
I find that 10% haste is brilliant for the PW:S Penc, FH rotation we all know and love. its serious spike recovery. For those times where your target has WS, having haste on Penance and flash heal is a nice buffer.
like i said. you really don't have much to loose by trying it. but try and keep your holy crit levels around 30%
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