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Comment by
Hyperlynx
QQ
EDIT: oh come on, it was a joke... whatever...
Comment by
Mastrcapn
Rogues: The bane of life on a PVP server.
You will never be prepared
. Invest in an ambush shield ASAP.
Comment by
172341
hhahhaha nice one...
Comment by
Supahtoons
Trespassers will be
Ambushed.
Survivors will be
Blinded
, then
Ambushed
again.
Comment by
Wildhorn
World of Roguecraft
(Pre-TBC video)
Comment by
Hyperlynx
Known to do it from behind.
Comment by
573802
Now you see me....Now you don't
Comment by
Gaelwyhn
Supahtoons, are you a rogue, because it doesn't seem like it.
Comment by
Gaelwyhn
How are Rogues a "bane" on a PVP server? I find myself and other Rogues to be quite useful in may aspects in that case.
We can sneak past numerous enemies, and infiltrate places while the warriors force their way in and distract the guards.
Comment by
556601
I must say - despite our obvious flaws and incredible reliance on simplistic game mechanics, cookie cutter specs for raiding, and of course - death without cooldowns, rogues are my favorite class to play.
Sure, holy paladins, resto druids, and any variety of shaman can essentially whoop our asses but other than that... Oh and hunters and warriors... Other than that... Oh, and mages and Death Knights... We can basically kick any classes ass in the game. It's all about the cheap shot, whack whack, kidney shot, whack whack, finisher *pray they died or waste a precious cooldown*.
Comment by
dreadblood
Sure, holy paladins, resto druids, and any variety of shaman can essentially whoop our asses
I really hope you're being sarcastic..
Comment by
spermbolle
I love the screenshot of the bloodfang rogue standing next to a dead rabbit xD
Comment by
Archangel76
Rogues can also perform feats that one would not think they are capable of..........
Rogue tanks Illidan
Rogue Solos Patchwerk
Rogues are capable of
Pure Awesome
Edit: Wow. Why downrate? Both were accomplishments and go to show that player skill is still the ultimate trump card. That's something I think those who truly appreciate this class can understand.
Comment by
sillybuns
Rogues might come from the
rogue planet
!
Comment by
woa12
Shankity Shank Shank
Comment by
demise189
Useful Information:
Rogues are no longer required to do an annoyingly long chain quest to use poisons, and they no longer need to learn how to make poisons from the trainer. You can simply buy poison from poison vendors.
Comment by
eizo55555
Rogue is best PvP but good Pvp is too druid ferral... ferral are ^&*!s :D ... my methode. first stealt, second blind, third ambush and continues with multirate and eviscerate :D ... with multirate make 5 or 4 cp and use eviscerate and again :D
Comment by
mking52
what weapons do the best damage for a rogue? Daggers?
Comment by
dreadblood
depends on spec, I don't play a rogue but I always remember: slow MH fast OH
Comment by
Hyperlynx
Rogue is best PvP but good Pvp is too druid ferral... ferral are ^&*!s :D ... my methode. first stealt, second blind, third ambush and continues with multirate and eviscerate :D ... with multirate make 5 or 4 cp and use eviscerate and again :D
Why would you Blind as an opener? It breaks stealth so you couldn't use Ambush or Cheap Shot. Save Blind for when you're about to get kited and need time to get back in melee range, granted, as Assassination it's usually going to get broken by Deadly Poison ticks, but the 1 or 2 seconds it'll buy you is often the difference between killing and getting killed.
Also, if you're doing Mutilate it is best to use Envenom for both PvE and PvP. The idea of Assassination is that it focuses on nature damage (unmitigated by armor), not physical damage (which is mitigated by armor), and poisons and Envenom do nature damage. If you were using Eviscerate you would have a higher percentage of your damage as physical damage, so more of your damaging abilities are mitigated by armor. Plate armor is common in PvP, and that plate armor will make Envenom shine.
Comment by
Arkham
This class is often confused with
a particular kind of makeup
.
Watch your spelling -- remember, with rogues it's the G before the U!
Comment by
Hurono
When using Stealth rogues will be unseen except by the most preceptive enemies.
...Or the Hunter's pet.
Comment by
587658
Alone wolf class.Makes great at everyman for himself.
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Comment by
620135
I use a very useful combo in PvP. You need to be a sub rogue, plus have the talent and glyph that increases your max energy to 130 ( should be 120 but it seems there is a bug but works just fine ).
So first you use Preparation on your target. Then you use CS( you all know what CS is ) and then Backstab/Shiv. If he uses his/her trinket/racial, pop KS right after. If not, just pop it when CS finishes. Now, you shouldn't have combo points, so spam Hemorrage on the target till you get 5. Then eviscerate. If target doesnt die, either he has stacked STA, which then requires other strategy, or your gear sucks. In that case, just Vanish and repeat or do Ambush and then go on like you want.
Best against: Clothies, Hunters, other nooby rogues
Poisons: Any you want on main-hand, crippling on off-hand ( in case you pop Shiv instead of Backstab, which i strongly advice for using less energy and having about almost same dmg )
EDIT: recently discouvered it works fine wit hall casters actually so this combo only doesnt work with plate-wearers because of their massive HP, tho that might change on cata since blizz is giving more hp to all except plate-wearers and they are improving abilities
Comment by
Wograr
Nerf Above class.
Comment by
621739
Rogues are awesome, especially when you get people QQing about when you stealth in the Gurubashi Arena and let everyone kill themselves....
Comment by
622860
I am sick of people thinking rouges are unbeatable here is an easy way to beat a rouges in a level 10-19 BG warsong gulch with a prot pally. Pop Hand of Freedom then you Pop hammer of justice then Judgement of light(note when ever this cooldowns use again) then you use Divine Protection. That rouge has taken a good bit of damage by now and if done right you have took very little if any. Then use hand of freedom, Judgement of light, holy light, and Lay on hand if you have the chance. Use this correctly and that rouge is gonna lose. Enjoy =)
(note: only works if you have these spells so lower levels will have a hard time also you and said rouge need to be same level and some rouge that have alot of BoA gear and know how to work a rouge well you may have a hard time and BTW I AM NOT SAYING ROUGES ARE BAD THEY ARE A VERY GOOD CLASS JUST NOT INVECIABLE)
Comment by
Hyperlynx
Also, it is worth noting that rogues are boring, easy, and somewhat underpowered outside of stealth in 10-19. No poisons, no point.
Anyway, it's spelled "rogue" and "invincible"...
Comment by
622860
Well pallies are a noob class, they are OP at any lvl.
Noob class hmmmmm and overpowered. This is a statement that has no point every Class has a point where it appears to be unstopable. Pallies are a well rounded class not a "noob class" Refering to something as "noob" is childish at best. All classes are equal if used correctly. Well DK's are not included they are a "Hero class". Feel free to downrate my comments because a speak my opinion i will not do that to you. =)
Comment by
622860
I understand your comment but i did not mean they should not be equal. I meant they are not classified the same. I think DK's are overpowered and starting at level 55 is also a unfair advantage. I personaly have not a single DK my main character is a hunter level 74. And them starting out in blues is unfair. I actually uprated yours btw.
Comment by
Hyperlynx
Every class has that point where they seem "OP"
Death Knight:
These guys seem OP when they switch from beating on you in melee to kiting you with Chains and disease damage when you pressure them
Druid:
They seem OP when they have the skill required to use all of the tools available to them, that's just being well played, not overpowered
Paladin:
Well rounded, few direct weaknesses but but no huge strengths... they seem OP when they bubble and heal to full.
Hunter:
Nasty, well rounded class that can destroy anybody from range. Hugely prone to snares, disarms, and are useless when you manage to close to melee range
Warrior:
Protection warriors can and do stunlock better than rogues, arms have one of the nastiest AoE attacks in the game as well. Warriors hit hard, and are very effective at staying in melee range, they are also very prone to disarms and can be shut down by a wall played caster
Shaman:
They seem overpowered when you're sailing off of a cliff. Nuff said
Rogue:
Rogues seem pretty overpowered when they're turning the middle third of your screen bright red and making it difficult for you to do anything about it. But rogues without cooldowns are like low-HP warriors with paltry armor and no Charge. For rogues, unlike other classes (like a Warrior), survivability in PvP and damage in PvP are often a trade off - you can't have both.
Mage:
Quite possibly the class that allows the most control of their environment. Snares, silences, and a plethora of valuable abilities (spellsteal, polymorph, etc.) let them dominate the battlefield... and they can also put out disgusting amounts of damage. Mages seem overpowered when you just can't catch the bastard.
Warlock:
Very tough to kill as Affliction, extremely dangerous burst as Destro, and really nice CC abilities. A warlock seems overpowered when you die AFTER he does, or when he steals your HP and Mana. A well played and well geared warlock can be ridiculously hard to kill.
Priest:
Able to make an opponent's life miserable. Decent DoT abilities, and a toolbox full of nasty tricks to round them out.... not to mention the most flexible healing and team support abilities in the game. However they are squishy, and cannot rely on CC to survive, priests are considerably less effective without a friend around.
E: This was responding to a since-deleted QQ post about rogues being OP.
Comment by
410391
I think iv come to my own conclusion that every class can pwn every class it just depends who is behind the keys. Me I get beat up ALOT, but I still have fun doing it! I created my rogue after I used to like to amush people with my hunter using shadowmeld and a kitty i thought looking at that rogue running around there stabing everyones pooper,"i gotta try that".
Comment by
mixter
Paladin: Well rounded, few direct weaknesses but but no huge strengths... they seem OP when they bubble and heal to full.
And the damage...and the hearthstone
Comment by
626791
Does anyone know any good Professions for this class
Comment by
kyrierain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgW3ogaV84
the real reason anyone play rogues..
"captcha: lame"
Comment by
183031
Okay. I haven't seriously played Rogue since pre-Wrath.
I need to know, what's a good PvE & Raid rotation like?
Comment by
620135
Like did you even tried it?
I use it everytime so dont say it sucks >:C
And my name is supposed to be "messing" with Ally players in pvp jsut stabbin' them all (yea i know all of you hordies like that)
Comment by
645133
Stealth in cataclysm?
ive been skulking around at the contents and talent points in cata and couldnt find anything that shows rogues getting improved stealth, other than increased stealth movement speed. is this completely removed? or just not yet shown/developed?
another question.
the talent quickening in assassionation that increases your general run speed by up to 15%. does that also increase your speed further in stealth if you have increased stealth movement already? since its more like a decreased slow effect rather than an increased speed effect imo :P.. just curious
Comment by
Blackriver
The different types of rogues...
Assassination:
Experts with poisons. The vast majority of their damage, from the poisons, completely ignores armor. They're also proficient at weakening their enemies.
Combat:
Experts with weapons. Normal attacks from these guys will hit harder and faster than the other two. They're also better at fighting multiple enemies at once.
Subtlety:
Experts with stealth. They have the most powerful opening and finishing moves, and they can pierce armor. They can also make you bleed a lot.
Comment by
657814
rogues may not be the best class when it comes to soloing but they are the most fun!
Comment by
658272
rogue=best pvp class
Comment by
660734
Guys where to get poison and how pls some1 say! Thx alot =)
Comment by
megakiller312
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/t/26725726427/i-like-to-dig-ditches-at-least-right-now/
even GC cannot spell it
Comment by
650974
The Lvl70 ETC song says it all...
Comment by
626535
Sap>Cheap Shot>Kidney Shot>Blind>Vanish. Rinse and Repeat.
Comment by
667752
agreed!
Comment by
667752
assassination
-Nature damage is painfull. so they ignore most of the armor then plus you should stack those deadlies for the envenom.
Combat
-very scary due to the blade twisting attacks are painful tooo
subtlety
-pure combo point unloading and gathering plus you can get away if u cant kill them
Comment by
657631
The way i open a fight on a lvl 21 rogue: begin with pickpocket if i can get close enough (for double loot), then go into ambush if i can get behind them (sounds so wrong :P) then wait for energy, then gouge for a 4 second stun, then to backstab = highly effective.
Comment by
671215
Bosses i have
Evasion
tanked;
Nexus-Prince Shaffar
- Mana Tombs
King Dred
- Drak'Tharon Keep (Heroic)
Lavanthor
- Violet Hold (Heroic)
Scourgelord Tyrannus
- Pit of Saron
rogues are an incredible class.
Comment by
Finshade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdEYVy6BF0w&feature=related
This one needs to be mentioned too
E: Goddamnit MentalFloss, didnt se ur comment :P Ninja comments FTW!
Comment by
Suparockr
as if they weren't OP enough, they give them soloing heals and one-shots before level 20
Comment by
671747
1st off rogues now get poisons at level 10 i believe.
And at the moment if you want to know OP make a level 15 rogue atleast and spec him assassination. Find anyone, clothie to mail wearer(no one wears plate yet) and sap.... pool til 120 energy(when you spec assassination you get 20 extra energy), on your stealth bar make sure that your ambush and mutilate are in corresponding slot. Double click hitting about 200-400 each depending on level with BoA's on and critting like i always do. Instant poison both daggers as thats only one unlocked. If anyone survives that it will be a 19 twink or a engie with a shield/Priest shield.
And don't downrank, not my fault it doesn't look like a rotation, its jsut the rotation is so short due to crits and high out put froom Ambush/Mut combo.
Comment by
690778
What is ? Smoke bomb
Comment by
691688
I like how in the Combat tree they made it very viable to swashbuckle (fight without having to rely on stealth all the time). I like this because it makes your fighting style resemble a pirate, you know like improvising with things such as gouge or blind, where you fight dirty but not having to sneak up on them.
I even went about and posted a bunch of information on a website called
oneextralife.com
and pointed out everything you need to know about how to make one.
here's the
link
I've already started doing this on a level 38 rogue. And if I had slightly better threat generation i could pretty much tank dungeons my level.
Plus in BGs you could really throw a warrior or other class off their game when you just run up and start fighting them not sneak in and use a stealth opener like ambush, sap, or cheapshot
Comment by
692478
I have a rogue i just got to lvl 70 on, leveled with subtlety and dual spec combat.
subtlety - the master solo/pvp spec, and the most fun i've had leveling a character so far. (for reference, i am also leveling a prot pally and an arcane mage)
subtlety is designed to kill one target as quickly as possible. you move faster in stealth and do more damage in this spec coming out of stealth. here's the trick for killing that one target, whether it be a boss in a cave, random creep, or PVP:
1. stealth (duh). find a target by itself or sap its neighbor
2. use a macro to instantly use premeditation and shadowstep* - you will boost your damage and instantly appear behind them with 2 combo points ready to go.
3. ambush (60% base crit chance means it almost always crits) gives you 5 total CP at the start of combat
4a. eviscerate - a 5 CP eviscerate will do just as much if not more damage than ambush. almost any one target will be dead or near death after this (squishies especially). you can pull this off on any PVP target that isn't paying attention. I've had a kill ratio of 7:1 doing this in the arathi basin.
4b. if your target is a healer class (paladins in particular) use kidney shot instead of eviscerate. if you're spec'd right a 5CP KS will cost 0 net energy. spam backstab until dead.
*note - when sneaking up on a mage sometimes they'll blink away before you can finish them off. against mages just use premeditation if you can and sneak behind them. when they blink you can catch up to them with shadowstep (although i can almost guarantee the mage in question will be VERY annoyed and !@#$% about how rogues are op.)
once you get shadow dance you can easily rank #1 DPS on any dungeon boss fight:
1. stealth
2. premed/shadowstep macro
3. ambush
4. eviscerate
5. wait until you have full energy
6. shadow dance
7. ambush - ambush - eviscerate - ambush - ambush - eviscerate (you can pull off another ambush if you drink some thistle tea or something)
8. see your name at #1 on recount.
I haven't tried combat in PVP yet (why would I when subtlety owns all in pvp?). In dungeons combat is your friend because it's the closest thing to AOE you will get. feel free to use larger weapons such as maces here.
to get max dps do the following when attacking a mob in a dungeon:
1. stealth
2. ambush
3. slice n dice
4. blade flurry*
combat is all about melee.
adrenaline rush works really well in conjunction with blade flurry as well. although your energy regeneration rate wont be as high with blade flurry on, the attack speed stacks with slice n dice so it still provides for plenty of hits.
*killing spree works with your blade flurry ability, essentially doubling its effectiveness.
*note* i am only lvl 70 right now so don't use this advice for raiding at lvl 80
any rogues out there willing to tell me how assassination compares to these two? i seriously considered it over combat but it looked too much like it focused on a single target like subtlety.
Comment by
LeminaAusa
Gnome stealth has the most hilarious "stealth walking" animation among all the rogue classes.
Comment by
700524
Gnome stealth has the most hilarious "stealth walking" animation among all the rogue classes.
Have you not seen goblins?
Comment by
TheDancingTree
sneakidy sneakidy sneakidy sneak...STAB! >:D
Comment by
Blackriver
Note that you will want to apply Rupture before using Eviscerate, because then subsequent Eviscerates will refresh that Rupture, essentially granting you an almost free Rupture the whole fight.
Comment by
652599
Silent but deadly. Like farts.
Comment by
719397
Just a quick note of an efective emergency combo for if your stealth abilities are on CD
1) Gouge gives you a quick stun and a point
2) move round and back stab another point and decent damage
3) Sinister strike if you can push it if not recuperate now for a basic heal
4) a couple Sinister strikes
5) evisorate
Note that for non elite or single targets recuperate can interchanged for evisorate. Also an effective folow on from an ambush evisorate combo.
Comment by
Roguesaxaphone
that sword is unique so you can only have 1Chromatically Tempered Swords
but there is a sword that looks like it
look up bloodfang armor for my comment
Comment by
guatafu
Now you see me....Now you don't
Reference to Starcraft´s
Terran Ghost
Edit: My bad is not from a ghost, I know I´ve heard that phrase before somewhere but cant seem to remember, will appreciate if anyone reminds me.
Comment by
614881
whats the best spec for pvp?
Comment by
747430
not sure how i missed the removal of anethesthetic poisons. :(
Comment by
lightnstuff
As of late, rogues have become brutally overpowered in low level brackets for PvP. It's clearly a problem when a level 11 rogue can one shot a level 19 rogue.
Comment by
guatafu
Small, greedy and deceptive. Goblin is THE Rogue race.
Comment by
Drutar
Rogues should SO be able to do all that stuff. Then again then they would be a tad op. Just a tad >.>
Comment by
Johnnyrev
Has anyone noticed after cata rogues can not dis arm Hunter traps when they ( Hunter ) go into stealth ( or whatever they call it )and further more...can not attack, sap,etc. target is obscured! even if u are right behind them!...Basically u have to let the hunter see u attack u break ur stealth and fight from there! is this just another Knock back on rogues cause just about everything breaks stealth now! particularly annoying when u have to Try and fight against classes with pets or minions that have as much Hpand armor as their master ( so to Speak ) and can misdirect disorient etc a rogue from primary target faster and more often than u can re-aquire them ( at least in some/most cases )
Today I just ran some tests with a guild hunter while in Camo they only way i can attack them is to kick to break their stealth at same time as mine which does no advantage for rogue as it gives no combo points and element of surprise is lost!...as far as traps they are glitched some times i can dis arm them some times it seems only when they interrupt their camo to lay more traps etc. but is not always the case!...I tried cheap shot, garrote, ambush sap, Blind, gauge while standing in front of him to the side and behind with and with out stealth and the only way to attack is my kick effectively breaking my stealth or out right taking stealth off and auto attack or sin strike all melee attacks and by the description of camo it says makes them hard to hit from ranged attacks? i even tried to disarm them while standing in front with out stealth and the message is always the same "target is obscured"!
Comment by
DarkAssassin
Meaning Of Rogues in WoW: A*sReaper
Comment by
DarkAssassin
Meaning Of Rogues in WoW: A**sReaper
Comment by
murdershot21
Everyone is forgetting this is the class played by the idiotic fratboys that claim you have no life and are generally unskilled and a liability.
Comment by
773239
sup peeps, just made my rogue.. goblin of course. I named him Tasselhoff for all you Dragon Lance fans. My second rogue since the game was released. Im hoping for great things from cataclysm. If you guys are curious as to my other toons they are all in my guild Chaotic Method on Stormrage. All toons are mine but a 85 Pally (Healia) and a 12 Druid (Nicatyme)
Comment by
774062
what talent tree should a rogue at around lvl 23 have and what at medium and last lvls?(both for PvP)
Comment by
nayrb
what talent tree should a rogue at around lvl 23 have and what at medium and last lvls?(both for PvP)
PvP rogues are going to continue to debate this question, and each one will have their own valid points.
I, personally, leveled
Subtlety
because I enjoyed one hitting everything with
Ambush
. Subtlety is the best class to match up against clothies at all levels. Once you learn
Shadow Dance
, you'll be unstoppable.
Assassination
seems to be the way most rogues are going (PvP and PvE).
Update: Most PvE rogues roll Combat now, but Assassination is still a decent choice.
Assassination is great for dropping a plate wearer due to the consistent solid dps. I'm not a huge fan of Assassination for PvP because of limited escape moves and high reliance of poisons.
I'm not too familiar with
Combat
Rogues. As far as I understand, they are able to be engaged in combat for longer periods of time while surviving.
Killing Spree
is also one of the coolest moves WoW has to offer. This is also the way to go when you would rather dual wield swords, axes, maces, or fist weapons (while the other two are set up for daggers). The problem is that I have never really had a combat rogue ever be a threat to me. I've rolled several other toons, and combat rogues fall short. If you look around at other rogues, you'll very rarely see them spec'd combat. I would only consider Combat if you have epic non-dagger weapons when epic daggers are not available (aka never).
To sum it all up, duel spec Assassination and Subtlety. Use Assassination for your PvE, and learn to PvP in both.
Comment by
774062
you know, i had a lvl 23 ally subtlety rogue and at bgs i did about 500 crit with ambush. that was half of pally,warrior and other classes health. now i started again with a horde one this time that is why i am asking. with my other rogue i just couldn't kill them!so i am thinking of being subtlety until lvl 19 and then assasination. But is 500 crit with ambush good dps at lvl 23?all the players had 600-1200 HP.
Comment by
BobaFettReturns
lol i cant stand a rogue.
its horrible in the PvE setting. when the AI's team u ur already @#$%ed. :/ especially b4 level 10.
hate rogues to death
hunter ftw
Comment by
479779
A Rogue will kill
Your guts will he spill
If you have a dagger he needs,
He'll kill you, then on you he will feed
For a copper and some bling
He'll even kill a king
A Rogue is a nasty customer.
Comment by
788022
hey everyone..
I just recently got back into the game, I have a Rouge build that was pretty awesome. Lots of stuns quick attacks mostly combat and assassination and very few stealth moves.
I went this way because it seemed the stealth in PvP was useless. So when I log in I get a message stating that my talents have been reset.. Dayum! I can't remember how I had it setup, and when I use all the calculators it seems only one branch can be used. I hope that is not the case here, so when I log back into my Rogue duel welding swords with poison, should I just go combat? will I be able to combat/assassination? Because I really got used to killing spree and all my stun hits/kicks.
I seem to be reading that Rogues are given some love now with the latest Cataclysm changes.
Comment by
790628
i play a rouge and i slay
uber l33t hax l33t sp34k
Comment by
663533
it's awesome to be a Rogue! my first ever toon and by fat the favourite
Comment by
760803
Rogues should have a suicide option just so when you know your gonna get ganked, you just top yourself so no one gets honor.. just for teh lulz.
Comment by
527874
I love rogues, theyre easy to level and are the ultimate pvp class. Although it is kinda repetitive ( Shadowstep,Ambush,Eviscerate=kill) it will easily be one of the funnest class you play.
I think they have everything that one playing a paladin is missing.
I am only sad that you can be a druid and be a rogue. It seems op to me that a class can be another class.
Comment by
527874
Definitely Subtlety for pvp. Speedy stealth and extreme ambushes, as well as a move to instantly move you into position for an ambush, makes you have the kind of spec that is perfect for picking off healers, pesky rdps, and flag carriers(yes, you WILL make them cry)
Comment by
Spalatum
The rogue is sappin' mah healer!
Comment by
790003
i do believe he asked for the best rogue pvp spec
that would be subtlety. shadowstep = death
Comment by
801799
Rogues kill pple in house and garden, but only if you know how to play. Still, for mages (like me) they are bane of my existence. They also have one of game's most irritating and hard technique: Stunlocking. Rogues FTW
Comment by
809472
I was just wondering if there is a way to level a rogues lockpicking skill beyond 425 post cataclysm as that is where I am at level 85. It is frustrating as there are lockboxes that take a higher skill.
Comment by
Wuten
I love my rogue, been playing him since patch 2.3, seen both the ups and downs of the rogue class since then.
Though, mostly the ups, we're freakin' deadly. >:)
My personal favorite talent tree is Combat, simply because now, in Cata with the new revamped talents and buffs, I can essentially act as an off-tank for the last 500k of the boss' health, more or less, if the tank kicks the bucket in 5-man normals and heroics.
Screw the Alliance and Horde! Ravenholdt FTW!
Comment by
guatafu
Rouges are overpowdered.
Comment by
DarkAssassin
U jelly?
Comment by
822216
Yeah baby ,Rogue may do it from behind , but everyone else takes it from behind :P !
Comment by
761154
lol, I love how rogues are stereotyped to pwn hunters (or "huntards"). =P
Just wing clip and disengage the bastard. xD
Serpent sting too to screw up his stealth...
^--------An idiots guide to hunter stuff lawl
I like playing a Rogue surprisingly, they are the funnest class to play in PvP
i remember sapping some Ally in AB, and they started saying stuff like "Rogue, holy shat!" in common. ^.^
Comment by
Samurai4ya
The Most Funniest Moment in PvP is when a rouge finds another rouge stealthing along unaware of u, stealthing behind him, and SAP, the End. I Always do the Bag of T on them for the lulz. =P
Comment by
793788
And now you also don't have to choose another Poison because you have leveled a bit. All posions are buyable from level 10
EDIT:
1: Fixed (30-20=10)
2: Why isn't this the reply it was supposed to be?
Comment by
XxroguexX
my main is rogue
before rogue was a little weak but when cata came thay maked rogue stronger than before by 2x
Comment by
XxroguexX
you are wrong when you said about hunter guid of killing rouge when hunter use disengage rouge will just use blind and come to him again
Comment by
XxroguexX
lol in pvp when i use sap
the alliance like oh no rouge damn!
Comment by
XxroguexX
atlast it was very hard to train ur lockpicking now it is with lvl
evrytime i lvl my lockpick gets stronger
and open better boxes
i was tired of it tring for a weak training my lockpick and its skill is 198 omg
Comment by
XxroguexX
IMMA SAPEN THERE HEALER
Comment by
XxroguexX
no one will sap mah healer or i sap ur healer >:) >:) >:)
Comment by
XxroguexX
i hate when i fight a rogue and i am a rogue it is super hard to find him
who finds the one will be truly DESTROYED
even this stuped guild took my name that i wanna do it
ctrl alt DESTROY
Comment by
XxroguexX
rogue are
OVERPOWERD!
in cataclysm
i created a new account 10 day free trail i tryed rogue it is more than a powerful then before
before i had lvl 67 roogue
Comment by
XxroguexX
this was awsome i liked it!
Comment by
XxroguexX
it is awsome
why isnt that sopposed to be a reply
Comment by
171369
This is how the Rogue talent-tree should've looked like in Cata, among other changes:
http://www.war-tools.com/t69678.html
Warning: Only read if you have a ton of spare time :)
Comment by
Eternial
ROGUE -.-
Comment by
828596
goblins make good rogue cuz of there size and there rocket jump to escape :D
Comment by
763737
...this is a game where you have a freedom of choice. Use that freedom.
You are free to use whatever build you like most, instead of constant nagging and asking those same stupid questions:"Oooh, what build should I use? What specc is THE best?", nag nag nag.
...
Rogues are very much down to earth class. Its not complicated to play a rogue, its not nuclear physics, it won't make you bad player if you use currently, God forbid, "unpopular" specc.
Its about hiding in the shadows, lurking, waiting that right time to strike and as you lay an ambush; to surprise the crap out of your target and to hang his spine on a nearest tree.
Its all in that element of surprise. Every specc has that element.
Comment by
223204
Assassination emphasizes the bleeds and poisons
I think you'll find Subtlety has the most emphasis on bleed-based damage, with
Hemorrhage
and
it's glyph
,
Saguinary Vein
,
Serrated Blades
, and improved
Garrote
through
Opportunity
. Combat is more based around going toe-to-toe with people in a physical fight, and assassination has more direct and over-time poison abilities.
Shortened Version list:
Assassination - Poison biased
Combat - Physical biased
Subtlety - Bleed biased
Comment by
833340
Subtlety Rogues, PvP:
I like to Stealth. Find my Target then Premeditation (or is it Preperation? Get those confused, I just know where to click on my bar) for the Combo Point. Then I Shadowstep to end up right behind him with more Combo Points. Then I Ambush for some pretty high Damage and a great WTF! moment.
I Kidney Shot to put him down for 6 Seconds (worth so much more than 1 Evisicerate). Also, if he has a Trinket or EMFH then I just forced him to Use It... or die. Now, let's say he doesn't Pop Trinket... I Shadow Dance, Ambush, Ambush, Ambush. Yes, if you time it right with your Energy and button clicks, you can drop 3 Ambushes in that 6 Seconds. If he is somehow still alive (Resi gear, usually) I Eviscerate on a Full 5 Combo.
Anything that lives after that is going to be a battle on your hand, especially if he had a Trinket to Pop and didn't. Most, especially Clothies and some Leathers, should already be dead. If he is ALMOST dead I'll Vanish and get behind for what should be one last Ambush. 4 Ambush and 1 5 Combo Eviscerate is pretty tough to deal with, especially if Poisons are Proccing. Adding that 5th Ambush after Vanish shouldn't be neccassary unless you are against a Beast.
This is where you now need to be able to use some skill (as what I put above is just some handy button clicking while watching to see if he Pops Trinket). Now you use things like Blind. Also, a smart use of your (Talent) /the one that resets Cloak of Shadows, Vanish, etc... Preperation? Premeditation? One of them./ will allow you to start the string all over again.
I always lead with this (Ambush to 5 Combo Kidney Shot) because if they DON'T Trinket, I got a huge advantage. This leaves Lesser things like Blind or using a Vanish to Sap (since Cheap Shot is cooling down with my Kidney Shot) and reset or avoid the target. I think all the DPS (Ambushes in a rush, 5 Combo Eviscerate) are worth the risk of them Popping Trinket.
I use Crippling Poison on Main Hand and Instant Poison on Off Hand (Crippling means more to me as it makes it easier for me to stay with the Target if he tries to flee) and I don't want DoTs breaking any of my Stuns (like Blind or Sap). Sometimes I use Deadly Poison and Crippling, and try not to use Blind or Sap (as Crippling would break them) because 5 Stacks of Deadly will auto proc the Crippling. I do this when I'm out-manned by Resi wearers, as it helps me get away if things go bad. By the time 5 Deadly hit I know if I can win it or not... usually not by that time... and he is Crippled so I have a better chance of getting out. Still, Crippling and Instant are the better method.
What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?
Comment by
846034
What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?
Assassinations Rogue; Level 69
My strings isn't complicated at all, just a lot of button clicking like above. If their one of my favorite classes to gank, like clothies or druids, i just burst them down. I'll stealth (obviously) and sneak up to my target. I cheap shot, and with talents, it hopefully gave me an extra combo point. One Mutilate later I'm at 5 CP, so I hit
and do an eviscerate. Since its usually about a 4.5k crit, they're gone. Thats my WTF string. Happy roguin'!
Comment by
846034
What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?
Assassinations Rogue; Level 69
My strings isn't complicated at all, just a lot of button clicking like above. If their one of my favorite classes to gank, like clothies or druids, i just burst them down. I'll stealth (obviously) and sneak up to my target. I cheap shot, and with talents, it hopefully gave me an extra combo point. One Mutilate later I'm at 5 CP, so I hit
and do an eviscerate. Since its usually about a 4.5k crit, they're gone. Thats my WTF string. Happy roguin'!
Comment by
849870
I'm new to rouges, what is the best dps spec to go?
Comment by
CJTheInvader
"I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everyrogue's out of work or scared of losing their job. The gold buys a silvers worth; guild banks are going bust; questgivers keep a epic under the counter; punks are running wild on the mailboxes, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.
We know our dps is unfit to breathe. and our stamina is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our strategy guides while some website tells us that today we had fifteen arena losses and sixty-three losses in battlegrounds, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!
We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.
It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't roll rogues anymore. We sit in the indecision, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in cataclysm. Let me have my stunlocks and my poisons, and my stealthy status, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.'
Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.
I want you to get mad!
I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your favorite blue, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the nerfs and the death knights and the (Lack of) crime in the street.
All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.
You've gotta say, 'I'm a rogue, goddammit! My life has value!'
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your nerfs. I want you to get up right now and go to the forums, post a reply, and stick your head out and yell,
I'm as mad as hell,
and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
Rogues have been nerfed a little bit each expansion because they were cheap in vanilla, Lets just hope that blizzard gives us a little love,
And also, No matter how epic of a speech that is. Please do not rant on the forums, I do not condone such activities.
I almost rolled a death knight alt because of the rogues lacking in some parts, Which inspired me to make this.
Comment by
Roayal
Rogue are make for killing those
lazy
auctioneers in horde/alliance cities =) That´s their work,ya :P
Comment by
George14
In PvE, Rogues are expected to get their target under 75% health from an opener when using Ambush and others. If not, your gear is bad.
Comment by
865382
Valor Cap Increaser
The Valor Cap Increaser edits the amount of valor points you can acquire by exploiting a simple Blizzard bug.
Works on 4.2.0 (14480) (Current)
Youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=ZEmApwl-fLk
Download:
mediafire.com/download.php?44e6vwdppzdv6sw
Comment by
875864
Guys want to hear a joke?
Combat
rogues..
Comment by
881089
nvm I take it back
Comment by
FluidDruid3
I need help, or a suggestion. I'm trying to decide between a Troll, Goblin, Blood Elf, or Undead Rogue. (For each of their Racials). Trolls have increased damage against beasts, thrown weapon & bow specialization, stun duration reductions, increased regeneration, and the cool-down on Berserker. As a rogue attack speed periodically is nice, as well as regeneration and thrown/bow damage increase (plus damage done to beasts). Goblins have the nice discount and the permanent but low haste increase. Undead have a "Insignia of the Horde" Racial, Shadow Resistance, & can use a cooldown high power version of Recuperate; also, as of more recent patches, a damage & heal on hit bonus was released. Blood Elf benefits are Arcane Resistance, possible use of the Enchanting increase, & the silence/resource restore cooldown. To summarize it, I am having trouble finding the best race to use as a Rogue. The only other thing I can think of is the upside to goblins is as well as Rogues having stealth, they have small size on their side if PvP enemies click-to-target. Any help & useful information will help. Also consider this as something to mull over if you wish to play a Horde Rogue.
Comment by
Vrominelli
Rogues move like a stinky breeze; by the time you smell it, they're already gone.
Comment by
759155
I love my rouge, I take my rouge everywhere I go, if i'm going out i'll take my rouge with me. My rouge makes me look pretty and I always love having my rouge on with me.
o.o
Comment by
Zz0mg
Race doesn't make a huge difference. It's mostly all down to how well you play your rogue. When you choose your race, it is almost all about personal preference.
Comment by
Degnos
you are NOT prepared....
Comment by
Hipster
Combat rogues are one of the highest dps with little to no prior experience played
Comment by
andypoop20
Rogues are /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("\124cffffff00\124Hachievement:2336:"..UnitGUID("player")..":0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0\124h\124h\124r");
Comment by
andypoop20
hmmm that didn't work...
Comment by
andypoop20
I agree
Comment by
Hyperlynx
button clicks
Excuse me what the hell are you doing?
Comment by
andypoop20
Want to win Arena's at level 70 with a rogue? Ambush,Kidney Shot,Shadow Dance,Ambush,Ambush... And they're done, feel free to add some buffs like evasion or a class special to seal their fate.
Comment by
Degnos
the most raping class in PVP, if well geared AND played
'Nuff Said
Comment by
NightPhoenix
So what proficiencies would be useful for a sub rogue? Herb - Alch or Herb - Scribe?
Comment by
MrGianni300
can some one please tell me what are the best combined duel specs for a rouge to be sneaky but have a huge damage affect
Comment by
skuggi10
what is the best horde race for rogues?
Comment by
polabeard
Can't rogues use throwing knives?
Comment by
keyur
I heard in MoP throwing weapon may be removed...What will happen to Fan of Knives? I like old FoK - WoLK one.
Comment by
InDimLight
For an impressive use of
Fan of Knives
, by an assassin rogue, and the damage it makes among multi-targets while coating the thrown weapon with
Empty Poison Vial
, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFf2Cm0hjk4
Regards
Comment by
InDimLight
For those who are thinking to play a rogue or wondering if this class is a fun class to play with, allow me to provide you with some tips:
Don't play a rogue if you also play/played a hunter. Don't even bother or continue to read. You will never like it! It is like the difference between diamonds and cubic zirconia, instant and filter coffee,
Lifeless Stone
and
Happy Fun Rock
... being able to think and being able to think about thinking.
Don't play a rogue if you don't value the art of moving in and out of the shadows and swiftly dispatching your enemies before they even know what hit them.
Don't play a rogue if you are
unable
to recognise yourself in the words written on this
Singed Page
or earn
Lonika Stillblade
's repect.
Don't play a rogue if you are not willing to focus your passion, commit to your cause and become exalted with
Ravenholdt
faction and obtain the full
Bloodfang Armor
set and both
Warglaives of Azzinoth
&
Master of Warsong Gulch
achievements.
Don't play a rogue if you don't feel sad that you cannot obtain
Certificate of Thievery
anymore, open
Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron
no matter how many times you try or know about
THIS
, yet.
Don't play a rogue if you will not respect and admire all the rogues (dead, alive or MIA) in the game (such as
Vanessa VanCleef
,
Moroes
,
Maiev Shadowsong
,
Shandris Feathermoon
,
Vereesa Windrunner
,
Master Mathias Shaw
,
Bazzalan
,
Lord Falconcrest
,
Gazlowe
,
Garona Halforcen
,
Lord Jorach Ravenholdt
,
Kagani Nightstrike
,
Rohan the Assassin
,
Marzon the Silent Blade
,
Mad Magglish
,
Fenissa the Assassin
,
Pathstalker Kariel
,
Galkara the Assassin
and
Timothy Daniels
), honor both their history and tradition and preserve the heritage, cause and future of this class.
Don't play a rogue if you are not willing to submit, obey and pay your allegiance to
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner
should she select to become the leader of this class. Don't even argue!
Don't play a rogue if you think or slightly feel that the
Turkey Lurkey
achievement is amusing.
Don't play a rogue if you can't even spell it properly.
... to be updated.
Comment by
InDimLight
For those who are thinking to play a rogue or wondering if this class is a fun class to play with, allow me to provide you with some tips:
Don't play a rogue if you also play/have played a hunter and finds/found it fun. Don't even bother or continue to read. You will never like it! It is like the difference between diamonds and cubic zirconia, instant and filter coffee,
Lifeless Stone
and
Happy Fun Rock
... being able to think and being able to think about thinking.
Don't play a rogue if you don't like playing with one of the four core pure classes, and fundamentally, the most single specialized class in the game.
Don't play a rogue if you don't value the art of moving in and out of the shadows and swiftly dispatching your enemies before they even know what hit them.
Don't play a rogue if you are
unable
to recognise yourself in the words written on this
Singed Page
or earn
Lonika Stillblade
's repect.
Don't play a rogue if you are not willing to focus your passion, commit to your cause and become exalted with
Ravenholdt
faction, obtain the full
Bloodfang Armor
set and
Warglaives of Azzinoth
,
Master of Warsong Gulch
and
Fangs of the Father
achievements.
Don't play a rogue if you will not respect and admire all the rogues (dead, alive or MIA) in the game (such as
Vanessa VanCleef
,
Edwin VanCleef
,
Moroes
,
Darkfallen Tactician
,
Maiev Shadowsong
,
Mia the Rose
,
Master Assassin Kel'istra
,
Master Mathias Shaw
,
Bazzalan
,
Lord Falconcrest
,
Valeera Sanguinar
,
Gazlowe
,
Veras Darkshadow
,
7th Legion Scout
,
Garona Halforcen
,
Yana Bloodspear
,
Invar One-Arm
,
Hexil Garrot
,
Lord Jorach Ravenholdt
,
Kagani Nightstrike
,
Rohan the Assassin
,
Marzon the Silent Blade
,
Bazil Thredd
,
Mad Magglish
,
Fenissa the Assassin
,
Pathstalker Kariel
,
Galkara the Assassin
,
Timothy Daniels
,
Alexi Silenthowl
, and Orgrim Doomhammer), honor both their history and tradition and preserve the heritage, cause and future of this class.
Don't play a rogue if you are not willing to submit, obey and pay your allegiance to
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner
should she select to become the leader of this class. Don't hesitate or even argue! ...edit , NO other class will admire her astonishing beauty, respect her sense of trickery and cunning plans more than the Rogue class.
Don't play a rogue if you think or slightly feel that the
Turkey Lurkey
achievement is amusing.
Don't play a rogue if you can't even spell it properly.
... to be updated.
EDIT: for those who argue about Lady Sylvanas making the decision and becoming the leader of the Rogue class, don't play this class.
Lady Sylavanas is known to be
'dark'
,
mistrusted
by many of her allies and some of her faction's members are
uncertain
about her true intentions.
Also, during Hallow's End in Cataclysm she says:
We paint our faces with the ash, to send a message to new enemies.
A declaration, to those who fear and revile us as monsters!
To those who would question our place in this world-
We are not monsters! We are not the mindless wretches of a ghoul army!
NO! We are a force even more terrifying!
We are the chill in a coward's spine!
We are the instruments of an unyielding ire!
For all of this and even more, those attributes fit no class but the Rogue and NO other class will admire her astonishing beauty, respect her sense of trickery and cunning plans more than the Rogue class. I just hope that someday she will realize what she truley is and makes that decision!
Comment by
GIR9
When i open my spellbook and abilities Mutilate have the message "see your trainer" at level 1, and when i go to my trainer it don´t seem to exist at all. If you have this problem to, please write an answer! :3
Comment by
836563
"What's your favorite String (Sub or Not) to get that WTF expression on their faces?"
:D
Lowbie surrounded by flagged 85's.
>Shadowstep
>Ambush
>Vanish/Smokebomb Macro
>Sprint
>Luuuuuulllllllllzzzzzzzzzzz
Comment by
941889
As Samuro of the Elite Tauren chieftains says,
"Rogues do it from behind!"
They infact do. Almost everything you want to do as a rogue is from behind. Of course, though, you probably won't be behind your opponent unless you have a tank with you, or in PvP, but whenever you're doing an instance with a group, or pvping, you should ALWAYS stay behind your target.
The rogue has the most freedom out of any class. Why? They can choose their own battles. You can decide who to take in WSG, you can decide who to stun in an instant. Heck, it is always awesome when you sap that dang healer in Warsong Gulch and just stunlock that Flag Carrier, especially when that Flag Carrier just runs ahead, out of healing range.
As a rogue, you are more viable in PvP, rather than PvE, because you have little to offer to the raid than raw DPS. Raw DPS is useful in PvP, but in PvE, you don't have much to offer.
You have a variety of poisons, each with different effects that can slow, damage, and debuff your opponent. This is also helpful, because you can simply poison your weapons while stealthed! This gives you the time to apply the correct poisons while that crappy caster is sapped.
You have a variety of interrupts and stuns that will wreck anybody's day up. If you are skilled enough, some undergeared 85s with 113K health may be able to take down those with 150K health. A rogue in full S11, gems, and enchants are pretty much a death sentence to whoever they are against. Critting 30-40K with ambush, and stunning the enemy for 3/4 of the battle.
You are one of the most brutal classes, with the most avoidance. Remember that. But you are also squishy. If you don't have that PvP trinket, and that pally gets a hammer of justice on you, you are pretty much dead.
Pretty much, a rogue is good for dealing a ton of damage, no matter which spec, and they have a ton of utility and stunning. They can choose their own battles, and can make quick work with almost everything you see in a BG before they do much damage to you.
Comment by
Flashadow
you dont play rogue to have fun, you play rogue to make sure no one else has any
Comment by
961436
I remember you use to be able to have your talent tree mixed up. i always went half assassin and half Sub. i whooped alot of butt back then in pvp. back then rogues were monsters at pvp, im not a fan of that new talent change.
Comment by
fullarmor
** english version below **
Fala pessoal, blz?
Olha só, criei um blog e lá estou colocando alguns tutoriais da classe. Estou fazendo vídeos, que serão semanais, o primeiro coloquei ontem de noite e fala sobre movimentação, algo crítico, pelo menos na minha opinião, para um bom dps melee.
Mais informações em
http://roguebr.blogspot.com/
Valeu, abraços.
---------------
Hello everyone,
I've just created my own blog and it's about rogue tutorials. I am making weekly videos, which the first i upload last night, and it talks about how to move your char properly, which in my opinion is a very critical thing for a melee dps.
More info at
http://roguebr.blogspot.com/
Thanks,
Comment by
Pleasehelpme
Can some one help? im a sub rogue and i dont know if im doing it right :P. i Stealth , shadowstep, sap, ambush, hemorage, evisorate, then i use hermorage alot :P
Comment by
decipherable
Looks like someone made a mistake up top under the "Quick Facts":
Specs:
Arcane
Fire
Frost
*Only applies to the MoP version of this page.
Edit: This has been fixed.
Comment by
Redsoxxfan4394
Hello WoW community, I recently started a Goblin Rogue 1-85 Let's Play World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, and would appreciate more fans, subscribers, and feedback. Thanks<3
Let's Play World of Warcraft: Cataclysm - Episode 1
Hope you enjoy :)
Comment by
Zevali
After TBC came out, it genuinely took me a while to figure out exactly why Draenei couldn't be Rogues.
Comment by
Atreidas
Rogues......
( -_-)
( -_-)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)
DO IT FROM BEHIND.
Comment by
986364
ima start a rogue :D
Comment by
987470
By Pleasehelpme:
Can some one help? im a sub rogue and i dont know if im doing it right :P. i Stealth , shadowstep, sap, ambush, hemorage, evisorate, then i use hermorage alot :P
--------------------
hordewarrior2000:
Well, if you're pveing, then that's fine, but if you're pvping, remember to sometimes open with cheap shot, then hemo 1-2 times, kidney shot and spam hemo. I usually do this on plate wearers, so then they can't really do anything. But keep one-shotting those clothies with ambush =)
------------------
hordewarrior2000:
Also eviscerate after the kidney shot (if they don't die from the hemos)
No, you're not doing it right, and hordewarrior2000 is incorrect. (Also, I'd do this as a reply if I knew how to. >_< )
I'm going to assume, from what you said, that you're PvP'ing. I'm also going to assume you're PvP'ing at 85. Feel free to respond and correct me if either of those are wrong.
Yes, you start in stealth. As a Sub rogue, you should always be in stealth unless you're in combat or flagrunning in a BG (Bad idea unless it's a dire emergency).
First, you use
on your target. This will give you an extra two combo points that you can use for either
Slice and Dice
or
. As you should have a fair amount of Mastery (You don't need to reforge to Crit rating after about 35-ish percent, which you should get most, if not all, of it from straight Agi thanks to
and T11 Ruthless Glad's secondary stats (I'm assuming, again, that you're at least halfway geared)),
Slice and Dice
is capable of lending a nice little DPS boost in fights (No matter what hordewarrior2000 claims, you're not going to be one-shotting ANYONE unless they're naked, with res sickness, etc. Period.) and also makes poison procs more likely (due to raw attack speed bonus). The
is an option because if you have
(which you should), then your
will cause you to regenerate energy, making it less energy-starving to use
Backstab
, which should be your filler.
Second, you use
Shadowstep
to get close; however, due to the 70% movement speed increase (modified by
Nightstalker
to give you a grand total of ~187% movement speed for 3 seconds), there's no reason to use
Sap
. In fact, there are reasons to
not
use it; first, it costs 35 Energy. That's the cost of a
Hemorrhage
. So instead of
Sap
'ing, just
Shadowstep
and then toss out
Ambush
. The
procs from your
Ambush
and
Backstab
should let you keep up with them, especially if you have Minor Speed to boots (+8% movement speed). Second, it makes you lose the element of surprise. Unless your opponent literally just bought their account on Ebay five minutes ago, they know what
Sap
is and they know it means you're there, so they have their PvP trink ready to pop, and if they're running with friends, they're probably calling them over via Skype, Vent, Mumble, etc.
Overall, you're going to use
Hemorrhage
probably once or twice over the course of an entire encounter, unless you're being kited hard enough that you can't get behind them. A Sub rogue's PvP filler should be
Backstab
, as it has the highest DER (Damage to Energy Ratio) of any non-stealth ability.
The reason why you use
Hemorrhage
at all is because of two things.
and
Charred Glyph
. This will save you the trouble of trying to maintain Rupture(for
) on a target, which is difficult in most PvP scenarios.
Most of the time, the fight ->should<- go something like this:
Premeditation
Recuperate
Shadowstep
Ambush
Hemorrhage
(need to be behind them now);
Backstab
Backstab
Slice and Dice or Eviscerate, depending on how much HP they have. Only use Evis if it'll kill them. In all honesty, you shouldn't have them nearly dead yet, unless you have people helping you.
Backstab
Backstab
Hemorrhage
Backstab
Recuperate
If they're not close to or below 50% HP at this point, they're probably not killable by you, and you should Vanish and try to get away. "Cheap and cowardly" they say, I know, but an alive 'coward' rogue who can come back and kill them another time is more helpful than a dead one sitting in GY.
What a friend and I do is this:
We're both Sub rogues. (We also both use T13 PvE 2-set, which every rogue who does this trick needs)
We both set the other as focus.
Set up the following macro:
/cast Tricks of the Trade
/cast Shadowdance
And then we blow up the same target using Shadowdance and Ambush spam.
Here's a spec for people to play around with and tweak. Have fun.
http://thottbot.com/talent#fMhcZZfMfsducRho
And for hordewarrior2000's benefit:
PvE Sub is more rigorous than PvP Sub if you want to pull even halfway competitive DPS. Try it sometime.
As always, feel free to reply to my posts. Questions, comments and concerns are always welcomed, and I'll try to get to them as soon as I notice them.
EDIT: Added a link to a the site's talent calculator, with the basic Sub Rogue PvP spec loaded.
EDIT #2: Corrected several grammatical errors that occurred due to sleeplessness.
Comment by
bratboy186
hiding in plain sight since 2004
Comment by
ritalinn
Rogues:
Rogues are played by special need's and/or 13-14 year old kids going at the hard part of puberty.
-> They don't fight, they don't help. They just make it more un-fun for other players.
-> They don't try.
-> 69 out of 70 rogues are idiots. (sn / 14)
Examples:
A 85 horde undead rogue would kill a level 7 warlock,mage,etc for no reason (they victim would be no threat at all and if anything just trying to have fun and making it more fun for others. The rogue would be like oh look at me I killed a lvl 7 warlock with 1 shot . (same fraction, not dueling,etc.. it would be like in the gaming arena or something..)
Rogues are useless,annoying,idiots and overall just plain silly.
Not sure why the kids go for rogues.
And even tough all special needs (< below 70 IQ) play as a rogue because it requires no skill or knowage or anything for that matter, rogues are not over powered at pve or pvp. Rogues are just annoying and vile.
Don't go rogue, its not cool.
Comment by
Wolfgenerator
Shadowmeld is like a low level vanish or extra vanish for night elf rogues. I love it, really helps in PvP when I kill someone and then am overwhelmed <3
Comment by
Wolfgenerator
If you think rogues are &*!@#$%s then roll one yourself, go sub, and try out some bgs. You'll soon change your mind.
Comment by
999179
how can a rouge us a ranged weapon?
Comment by
imri500
I would like to mention that by far, the best race for a rogue is either a night elf or a dwarf, the dwarf having some advantege.
The reason being very simply, a dwarf's racial, Stoneskin, gives extra survivabillity, which is always good, and, the critical abillity to remove bleed effects. Nothing more annoying then having a warrior rend you. As your now stuck out of stealth for the duration and nothing will help you.
But Stoneskin will. It allowes you to complete your immunity and get rid of ANY effect.
:D
Nightelves get Shadowmeld as their racial, which allowes them to enter a stationary state of stealth, lasting untill they move. This used to be amazing since there was a bug that made it so if you were sitting with Shadowmeld on, you would take no damage from DoTs. This has been fixed. but while Shadowmelded you are un-targetable, meaning if you have no DoTs on you, you can easily Shadowmeld into stealth.
Do remember that this is just my personal opinion, do not send me strongly worded letters about how your a blood elf rogue and your amazing and im a noob etc. <3
Comment by
baneozan
Is this somekind of a bug?
When i play my Rogue and Gouge or Blind an enemy pet in PvP and then i Vanish,the pet follows me and attacks me even tough i vanished o_O
Why?
Comment by
andypoop20
That moment when your in a battleground and you see a rogue stealth and walk towards you and you just know that your sooooooo %^&*ed
Comment by
darnauch
A rogue? Where?
Comment by
927464
Love being a rouge very snecky and all plus i love rocking with them when u face off a boss or an enemy
Comment by
perculia
5.4 Changes
General
Ambush damage has been increased by 12%.
Evasion
now increases dodge chance by 100% (was 50%), cooldown has been reduced to 2 minutes (down from 3 minutes), and duration has been reduced to 10 seconds (down from 15 seconds).
Dispatch
now deals 10% less damage.
Fan of Knives
damage has been increased by 25%.
now restores 4% of maximum health every 3 seconds, up from 3%.
Sinister Strike
deals an increased 240% of weapon damage (up from 145%), but now costs 50 Energy (up from 40 Energy).
Assassination
Assassination Rogues should no longer be eligible for any other weapon types except daggers in situations where loot is automatically awarded(Raid Finder, Bonus Rolls, Heroic/Normal Scenarios, and the upcoming Flexible Raid difficulty.)
Blindside
now deals 645% weapon damage (up from 460%).
Mutilate
now deals 280% weapon damage (up from 200%).
Combat
New passive ability,
Ruthlessness
: This passive ability is learned by Combat Rogues at Level 32. The Rogue gains a 20% chance per combo point (100% chance at 5 combo points) to immediately regain 1 combo point while performing a finishing move.
Killing Spree
targeting has been changed. If
Blade Flurry
is not active,
Killing Spree
will now hit the Rogue's target 7 times or pick the closest eligible target if none had been selected.
Killing Spree
will continue to work as it has while
Blade Flurry
is active.
now deals 160% weapons damage (up from 125%).
Combat Potency
now increases Attack Power by 40% (up from 30%).
Subtlety
Backstab
now deals 380% weapon damage (up from 275%).
Hemorrhage
now deals 160% weapons damage (up from 140%); 232% weapons damage if a dagger is equipped (up from 203% for daggers).
now increases damage against targets with bleed effects by 25% (up from 20%).
Talents
Burst of Speed
's cost has been reduced to 15 Energy (down from 30 Energy).
Cheat Death
now reduces damage taken by 85% after activating (up from 80%).
now allows the Rogue to use
Ambush
,
Garrote
, and
Cheap Shot
from 40 yards away (up from 30 yards).
Nightstalker
now increases damage dealt by abilities while stealthed by 50%, up from 25%.
now stuns the target at 4 applications of the poison (down from 5 applications).
Shadowstep
now has a reduced cooldown of 20 seconds (down from 24 seconds).
Glyphs
Major Glyphs
Glyph of Adrenaline Rush's effect is now baseline and has been replaced with
Charred Glyph
.
Charred Glyph
now reduces the cooldown of Redirect by 50 seconds (down from Redirect no longer has a cooldown).
Charred Glyph
now only removes damage-over-time effects that would cause
Blind
to break. For Rogues that also have the
Dirty Tricks
talent, this means
Blind
will no longer remove the Rogue’s poison or bleed effects.
Glyph of Crippling Poison has been replaced with
Charred Glyph
.
Charred Glyph
now causes
Fan of Knives
to also damage the armor of its victims, applying 1 application of the Weakened Armor effect to each target.
Glyph of Debilitation has been replaced with
Charred Glyph
.
Charred Glyph
increases the healing received by the Rogue while
is active.
Charred Glyph
now increases the healing of
by an additional 1% (up from 0.5%).
Glyph of Sap has been replaced with
Charred Glyph
.
Charred Glyph
causes
ability to also increase damage done to targets affected by
Hemorrhage
.
Charred Glyph
now reduces the cooldown of Shiv by 3 seconds (was 2 seconds).
New Minor Glyphs
Charred Glyph
:
Distract
now summons a decoy at the target location.
Charred Glyph
:
Throw
and
Deadly Throw
abilities will now throw axes regardless of the Rogue's currently equipped weapon.
Class Armor
Rogue Tier-15 4-piece set bonus (
Item - Rogue T15 4P Bonus
) now causes
Shadow Blades
to reduce the cost of all abilities by 15% (down from 40%).
Bug Fix
Fixed an issue where certain conditions can cause
Blade Flurry
to not deal damage to additional nearby opponents.
5.3 Changes
Talents
now requires the Rogue to be in Stealth.
will not remove the Stealth requirement for
.
Shuriken Toss
now deals 100% more damage in the initial ranged attack, damage is no longer doubled when used on targets farther than 10 yards away, and energy cost has been increased to 40 energy, up from 20.
Glyphs
Charred Glyph
now increases the duration of
Cheap Shot
by 0.5 second, down from 1 second.
Charred Glyph
now increases the duration of
Garrote
's silence effect by 1 second, down from 1.5 seconds.
Combat
Blade Flurry
's damage to secondary targets should no longer be affected by Resilience or PvP power if the primary target was a player as both had already been factored in for the initial damage calculation.
now lasts 24 seconds, up from 18 seconds.
Subtlety
Find Weakness
now bypasses 100% of armor against non-player targets, and bypasses 50% of armor when used against other players (was 70% armor bypass for all targets).
Patch 5.2 Changes (
Source
)
is now a baseline ability learned at level 68 and no longer resets the cooldown on
Cloak of Shadows
.
Versatility
has been removed.
New Level 90 Talent:
Marked for Death
Marks a target and instantly generates 5 combo points. When that target dies,
Marked for Death
's cooldown is reset. This talent has a 1 minute cooldown.
New Level 60 Talent:
Ambush
,
Garrote
, and
Cheap Shot
now have a 30 yard range, and will cause the
Rogue
to teleport behind the target.
Burst of Speed
now costs 30 Energy (was 50 Energy), can be used in Stealth, and always grants increased movement speed in addition to breaking snare effects, but no longer breaks root effects.
Shuriken Toss
now causes the Rogue to throw ranged shurikens coated in Lethal Poison instead of auto-attacking for up to 10 seconds if the enemy is farther than 10 yards away.
Deadly Throw
can now interrupt spellcasting when used at 3, 4, and 5 combo points, and upon interrupt prevents any spell in that school from being cast for 4, 5 and 6 seconds respectively (was 5 combo points and 6 seconds).
Blind
now has a cooldown of 2 minutes (was 1.5 minutes).
•
Cloak of Shadows
now has a cooldown of 1 minute (was 2 minutes).
Smoke Bomb
now reduces damage taken by allies in the area of effect by 20% in addition to current effects.
Nerve Strike
now reduces the effectiveness of healing provided by the target by 10% (was 25%).
Shadow Focus
now reduces ability energy costs by 75% while stealthed (was 100%).
PvP set bonuses have been changed:
Vigor
is now the 4 piece set bonus and increases maximum energy by 30 (was 10).
Deadly Brew
is now the 2 piece set bonus, and its effects remain unchanged.
Combat
Combat Potency
now increases attack power by 30% (was 25%).
Blade Flurry
has been changed. It now strikes up to 4 additional nearby targets for 40% of normal damage.
Subtlety
now increases the damage the target takes by 20% (was 16%).
Changes in Mists of Pandaria
Slow off-hands are now viable. All fast weapons are now changed to slower speeds on beta. Abilities like
Combat Potency
support this change.
Level 87 class ability:
Shadow Blades
: Autoattacks deal pure Shadow damage. Combo-point-generating attacks generate 1 additional combo point.
In addition
Shadow Blades
, each specialization now has a reworked ability that gives the player a chance at generating another combo point:
,
Seal Fate
,
.
New AoE ability:
Crimson Tempest
: Finishing move that consumes combo points on any nearby target to slash at the flesh of all enemies within 8 yards, dealing Physical damage and causing victims to bleed and suffer an additional 30% of the initial damage over 12 sec. This works nicely with
Fan of Knives
for an AoE rotation, which now generates a combo point when used.
New Level 76 ability allowing party to stealth:
Shroud of Concealment
: Extend a cloak that wraps party and raid members within 20 yards in shadows, concealing them from sight for up to 15 sec.
New Level 72 ability increasing stealth effectiveness:
: Significantly increases Stealth effectiveness for 6 sec.
Blindside
is a new Assassination ability that has good synergy with
Blindside
, which gives you a 30% chance of a free
Blindside
.
Charred Glyph
got nerfed pretty harshly: instead of reducing the recipient's damage boost by 5%, it now grants no damage boost to a target.
Level 90 talents:
Anticipation
,
Shuriken Toss
,
.
Removed Abilities:
Cold Blood
,
Overkill
,
Ruthlessness
,
Vile Poisons
.
Poison Changes
Poisons have been reworked extensively in Mists of Pandaria. You do not buy poisons from vendors anymore and apply one to each weapon. Instead, poisons are a type of spell and have been classified as
Lethal
(damage dealing) and
Non-Lethal
(utility). You may have one poison of each type active at the same time.
Lethal Poisons:
Wound Poison
: Each weapon strike has a chance of inflicting additional Nature damage to the victim and reducing all healing effects on them for 15 sec.
Deadly Poison
: Each strike has a chance of causing the target to suffer Nature damage every 3 sec for 12 sec. Subsequent poison applications deal instant Nature damage.
Instant Poison
has been removed.
Non-Lethal Poisons:
Crippling Poison
: Each strike has a chance of poisoning the enemy, slowing their movement speed by 50% for 12 sec.
Numbing Poison
: Each strike has a chance of poisoning the enemy, slowing their spellcasting by 50% for 10 sec.
Leeching Poison
: Weapon strikes have a chance to poison the target, causing the Rogue's subsequent weapon strikes to heal the Rogue for 10% of damage dealt.
: Each strike has a chance of poisoning the enemy for 15 sec. Stacks up to 5 times on a single target, and upon a fifth application, the enemy will be stunned for 4 seconds.
Using
Shiv
with Non-Lethal Poisons creates "concentrated" effects:
Crippling Poison
: An intense application of Crippling Poison reduces the target's movement speed by 70% for 12 sec.
: Increases the time required to cast the next spell by 100%.
: Instantly restores 5% of the Rogue's health.
: Concentrated Paralytic Poison causes instant paralysis of an enemy's lower body, rooting them in place for 4 sec.
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Comment by
Sooba
O-M-G-G
You can't see me, me
I'm blending in just like a pine tree
I am unseen, You can't see me cuz
I'm a ninja, nin, ninja, ninja, nin, ninja!
/cast stealth
Comment by
katieleigh422
I love playing my Rogue because most of my play is solo PvE. It makes quick work of almost any quest and I can get in and out of almost anywhere without having to do too much fighting. Collecting objects is easy because I can just Sap the mob, grab the object, then go invisible again, and Fan of Knives makes easy work of even a modest-sized group of mobs. If you're wanting to play solo, Rogue is the way to go.
Comment by
Yakeshi
Sent by my
daggers
to the
spiritual plane!
While you fall to the ground, you are
writhing
in your
pain!
And as you look in my
eyes
, you see I'm clearly
insane!
'Cause
boy,
you
might
hit
like
a
truck?
*Ambush sound effect*
... But
I
crit
like
a
TRAIN!
Edit: Probably. :P
Comment by
Elsiaida
I've seen a lvl 1 rogue one-hit an 85 DK ... no rogues aren't OP.
Comment by
1113521
Really good class for arenas!
Comment by
gbalkam
While rogues cannot tank, abilities such as Combat Readiness, Evasion, and Recuperate make them sturdy for farming and soloing lower-level content.
Obviously, whoever wrote this has never played a pve rogue.
A rogue will never be a main or even off tank. But, if no druid is in the group, or hunter with a tanking pet, a rogue is going to be the healers first choice of back up tanks, and will be their primary healing target. Why? Very simple. Rogues stack massive amounts of agility. This agility gives a rogue an enormous amount of dodge, usually far in excess of anything an actual tank can spec to.
Ask any healer, who, in priority, they will pick as a back up tank, if there are no other plate classes in the group. I bet you will find rogues high in the preference list.
I have personally tanked 5 mobs (and as many as 7) after the tank died because he did a bad pull, and also had high enough damage output to keep aggro off a careful healer. The idea is to use your evasive abilities for as long as they last, kill as many mobs as possible while those abilities are active, and then keep on, relying on your stacked dodge and keep at it until you either finish the pull or die, by which time, there should be very few mobs left to kill the healer.
*more than 5 mobs gets rather tricky, so also relies on the rest of the group, such as a hunter and warlock taking advantage of the rogues cool downs to pull out tanking minions / pets*
Comment by
SlarkeSSC
Anyone else notice that in the proficiencies, it doesn't mention daggers, swords, or maces?
Comment by
1107124
Why I play rogue:
Stealth
. I freakin' love
Stealth
. Dat
Stealth
. Oh and another thing,
Stealth
. Did I mention
Stealth
? And last but not least,
Stealth
.
Comment by
sylancer
Hearthstone:
Valeera Sanguinar
Comment by
stealthmann
Anyone knows a good transmog for night elf?
Comment by
WaterCherry
If you're Assassination, your enemy will die Poisoned.
If you're Subtlety, your enemy will die In the Sleep.
If you're Combat, your enemy will die Fighting You.
Comment by
vindurza
the prefect
theme
for almost any rogue
Comment by
Lyste
How the specializations work without getting too specific about abilities and PvE/PvP:
Subtlety: Specializes in stealth, bleeding effects and stunning.
Assassination: Specializes in doing as much damage as possible in the first hit after stealth (Ambush, etc.), daggers and poisons.
Combat: Specializes in post-stealth combat, survival and crowd DPS.
Comment by
Eido
According to the 5.4.8 Patch Notes:
Burst of Speed
can now be activated to remove movement-slowing effects even if
another
movement speed bonus, such as
Sprint
, is already present (
the speed bonuses will still not stack
). -
source
Comment by
Zaiyanboi
SEVERELY
underrated
Comment by
phoenix9884
My second favorite class aside from warlocks. And my first hated class when I am a warlock.
Comment by
sylancer
WoW
Rogue
vs.
Hearthstone
Valeera Sanguinar
:
Combat:
Sinister Strike
:
Sinister Strike
Dispatch
:
Eviscerate
Fan of Knives
:
Fan of Knives
Blade Flurry
:
Blade Flurry
Assassination:
Shiv
:
Shiv
Deadly Poison
:
Deadly Poison
Subtlety:
Backstab
:
Backstab
Shroud of Concealment
:
Conceal
Vanish
:
Vanish
Sap
:
Sap
Shadowstep
:
Shadowstep
:
Preparation
Sprint
:
Sprint
,
Comment by
Jarakin
They're sayin' ...Yo mama is so fat when a rogue shadowstepped her, he got a loading screen. HaHa :)
Comment by
Naticutzu
Oh hi!
Name's Joe!
When Joe gets things, Joe is happy.
And when Joe is not happy, it's bad, very bad
Because Joe'll bash ur gnome m8s heads out of Azeroth and he swers on his mum he'll do so if he does not get the WoD beta-key!
U have 24 m8s if not so, Joe will get angry and I tell you again and mind it m8s you don't want this to happen at all costs!
With love,
Joe
Comment by
Flubchub
I love playing on my Rogue; they're a lot of fun! But, for some reason I can't seem to reach the DPS that I would like with my current gear. On my hunter I can do around 40k – 80k higher DPS with ~10 lower iLvl. I've tried researching various specs, rotation, reforging, etc., and I can't seem to raise my DPS to the level that I should be doing. I guess I'm just bad at playing the beautiful class of Rogue. I disgrace Rogues everywhere
Ra'sha's Sacrificial Dagger
.
Comment by
Douglazz16
Well Rogues can be pretty good at their survival too!
They got Recuperate
Leeching Poison
Evasion
Cloak of Shadows
They can withstand a huge amount of dmg too, nearly as much as a plate bearer! That's even more awesome!
Comment by
Loupland
I like rogues... Thieves and scum is what they are! Thieves and scum.
Comment by
Punkyfunky
thnx a lot Perculia for the fost really helpfull
Comment by
aziemer09
Okay, so first impression of the Quality of Life improvements for the Rogue. I think they're welcome. No more having to clunk up your rotation by spamming a secondary key, you're combo points are there, ready to be used. Easier to queue up bigger finishers, easier to keep track of what you're doing.
I've played off and on since BC, and usually Rogue was what I played. I feel like there's not an impetus to utilize the "mash ALL buttons" playstyle, and I can play the class as I really want to, which is the guy sneaking around, choosing where and how I'll engage and then coming out of stealth into a massive flurry of action.
But that's just me, and my opinion.
Comment by
marrakoosh
So my iLvl is still relatively low (608) and I only hit 100 yesterday evening, but I have all the Perks for Assassination and thought I'd put down feelings so far...
- Improved Slice and Dice - best perk I think so far - removes the need to activate it, lowering ramp up time for damage and one less timer to worry about. Only have to worry about getting Rupture up ASAP and Envenom up as close to 100% of the time. Maybe simplifies Assassination a little bit down to 3-4 spells, but still, nicer in dungeons and questing.
- Empowered Envenom - really nice for those <35% parts of fights - spamming Dispatch and Envenom, damage really puts out. Nice.
- Enhanced Vendetta - now a really nice way to open vs a boss now - Vendetta, Ambush - guaranteed Ambush crit and with Sealed Fate, 3 combo points straight off the bat, meaning you get Rupture up quicker.
- Enhanced Crimson Tempest - really not sure of this. I guess I don't really play Rogue to do a load of AoE damage, but find it difficult to kill even lower groups of enemies (think those mini-packs of quest mobs where you need to collect stuff - red globs of stuff in Talador spring to mind) even with this. Maybe it'll work better against larger groups of trash mobs in raids.
So, really, quite a nice way for us to get up on the damage quicker, even in shorter fights, generally happy and now want to try out of some of the other spec perks!
Comment by
Stizelswik
What character, do you think, would make the best rogue? I wanna try one out... Thanks.
Comment by
stevegoryan
What is the slightest, shadiest outfit for a lvl 100 rogue? Maybe dark gray, or black (black and red?) as long as it's tight and shadowy/sneaky. I'll transmog the hell out of what I've got if needed, but I'm kinda tired of these obnoxious hoods and intrusive thorny shoulders. Hell even my foot gear looks like I'm wading through a cow meadow! What ever happened to a stealthy look?
Ideas? Set items? Misc similar items? Anything dark and sleek. :-)
Comment by
Ardensolis
This is just my opinion, but:
1. The assassination rogue spec uses the eviscerate icon, but assassination rogues don't use eviscerate, because it gets replaced with
envenom
(the other two specs do use eviscerate).
2. The eviscerate ability picture depicts a knife, dagger, or otherwise bladed weapon about to stab into a male's neck. However, a dictionary tells us that eviscerate is defined as follows:
eviscerate
verb (used with object), eviscerated, eviscerating.
1. to remove the entrails from; disembowel
Evisceration does deal as well with the deprivation of a vital part of a person; however, in a general sense, evisceration is a term reserved mainly for
disembowelment
.
3. The combat rogue spec uses the 'backstab' icon as the specialization icon. Combat rogues are the only rogues that do not have either of the two abilities that also use this icon (Assassination has Dispatch; Subtlety has Backstab).
4. Combat rogues use the ability Killing Spree. The in-game description for combat rogues is:
"A
swashbuckler
who uses
agility
and
guile
to
stand toe-to-toe
with enemies."
Killing Spree's tool tip describes the ability's effect as:
"
Step through the shadows
to a visible enemy attacking 7 times ."
Stepping through the shadows
for multiple assaults sounds a lot like an assassination rogue's theme, or
especially
a subtlety rogue's theme (Subtlety rogues were originally the only spec to have the Shadowstep ability).
5. Subtlety uses the stealth icon as the specialization icon. Subtlety is fine.
My simple suggestions:
1. Since assassination deals mainly with poisons and dagger attacks, assassination's specialization icon could be changed to the venomous wounds icon, the vendetta icon, the mutilate icon, or even the envenom icon. This would better reflect the end-game usage of spells, and correctly fit the specialization's theme.
2. Because evisceration is a focused on high damage, and the name suggests it fatally damages the opponent's intestinal tract, eviscerate's icon could more appropriately depict a bladed weapon (dagger/sword/etc) about to stab into a person's side, or stomach region (depending on artistic skill).
Another possibility would be to rename the ability Decapitate or Throat Slit (or anything else that deals with damage to a person's neck and/or spinal cord) and to leave the current icon as it is.
3. Since combat rogues are described as agile pirates that use guile to face-down their opponents, combat's specialization icon could be changed to that of Adrenaline Rush (possibly also having an eye-patch), that of Blade Flurry, or any other major combat specialization themed ability (other than Killing Spree, which will be discussed next).
4. Killing Spree. This ability is a lot like a more-time-consuming, damaging shadowstep, on a longer cooldown. This ability would fit nicely as an optional talent, probably in the same tier as shadowstep as a better version of the current Cloak and Dagger talent, with a few adjustments for balance, of course (imagine how this might balance out the widely used Burst of Speed).
Another talent tier it might do well in would be to replace the disappointment that is Shuriken Toss. Balanced accordingly, of course; perhaps incorporating Shuriken Toss' ranged auto attack bonus in after Killing Spree is finished, or instead generating 5 free combo points when Killing Spree finishes.
But what would combat get instead of their own personal Killing Spree? Perhaps giving Adrenaline Rush a shorter cooldown, or improving another damage cooldown/ability for the spec.
~~~~
Thank you for reading! Remember, these are just ideas. I do not main a rogue, I just really enjoy the idea of having a set
theme
and sticking to it (the reason why a warlock uses shadow spells, and a paladin uses holy spells). Constructive feedback is appreciated.
Comment by
Kataclysia
My Thoughts on Rogues:
When I began playing WoW years ago I disliked Rogues and really did not understand them but over the years as I learned more about them and how to play them I have come to love Rogues. It is now my favorite class and I personally prefer subtlety to the other two specs. Rogues have so many advantages and even though they can be tricky to play at times, it is well worth the time to learn how to play this class.
I have come to love Rogues so much that as I return to WoW my new main character is a Rogue. I have tried all three specs but as I said I prefer the play of subtlety over the other two.
Comment by
Destruct
Rogues are the funnest class, hands down! :-)
Comment by
RosedaTheHunter
Here are a few quick tips on rogues
First of all work on your professions as they will come very useful.Rogues can't heal so do first aid.
Make sure to use all available abilities.Once you hit lvl 34 sprint and vanish as it will come very useful in pvp and pve
Be geared.
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Comment by
Goodwinn
Initial starting gear for rogues:
Human
(
View in 3D
)
Footpad's Vest
Footpad's Pants
Footpad's Shoes
Worn Shortsword
Worn Dirk
Dwarf
(
View in 3D
)
Footpad's Vest
Footpad's Pants
Footpad's Shoes
Worn Mace
Worn Dirk
Gnome
(
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)
Footpad's Vest
Footpad's Pants
Footpad's Shoes
Worn Shortsword
Worn Dirk
Night Elf
(
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)
Footpad's Vest
Footpad's Pants
Footpad's Shoes
Worn Shortsword
Worn Dirk
Worgen
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Gilnean Footpad's Tunic
Gilnean Adventurer's Shirt
Gilnean Footpad's Gloves
Gilnean Footpad's Pants
Gilnean Footpad's Boots
Worn Axe
Worn Dirk
Pandaren
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Trainee's Vest
Trainee's Wristwraps
Trainee's Cord
Trainee's Leggings
Orc
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Thug Vest
Thug Pants
Thug Boots
Worn Axe
Worn Dirk
Undead
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Footpad's Vest
Footpad's Pants
Footpad's Shoes
Worn Dagger
Worn Dirk
Troll
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Thug Vest
Thug Pants
Thug Boots
Worn Dagger
Worn Dirk
Blood Elf
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Lookout's Vest
Lookout's Pants
Lookout's Shoes
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Sharp Dirk
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Comment by
gbalkam
Ok so I haven't seen anyone say it, so I will. Subtlety rogues are just plain broken in PVP. First of all, Sub is not a PVE spec. Never was in the past, so boosting sub specs for raiding is just plain wrong. If you want to raid, spec combat or assassination which have better sustained dps. If you want to burst hard on a single target (such as a random patrol that is attacking the healer in pve) or recover a flag, you need sub. It isn't rocket science, even a retarded monkey could learn this, so why haven't blizzard developers?
I mean good god.. look at the set bonus on Conquest gear for rogues....
Primal Gladiator's Leather Tunic
. 1 Real rogues don't 'feint'. I've never used feint, no reason to. AoE in pvp does very little damage. Why would i bother being worried about that? I'm more concerned with 40k obliterates coming off a dk than I am a 300 point aoe dot. Now this is for sub remember.. the set bonus for the other 2 specs is fine. Would be great for sub.. but the devs just said no SUB! I don't know what those clowns had in mind, if it was damage in raids wearing pvp gear or whatever... but it sure was a failed design idea.
I am sure I can speak for every subtly rogue every played... if we wanted sustained dmg we would have gone combat or assassination. Most rogues probably did as a 2nd spec. But for a main spec, sub is all about the burst and blizzard developers let us all down badly.
Now with reforging gone, it's like blizzard is saying.. we only want one spec with different names to make you think you have a choice. Multistrike? REALLY? Im sub.. i don't plan on standing there out of stealth long enough to proc multistrikes. Maybe if it was a guaranteed proc on openers, then yeah, ok.. fine. but it isn't. Sub rogues are a Hit n Git class. But now with the crap stats on pvp gear, the useless set bonus, the nerf to our burst abilities, we get stuck in the open like sitting ducks. At least if we could reforge, we would have some options other than blizzards saying... "This is how WE want you to play" Seriously.. I can play that game on Xbox and not have to pay a monthly fee for it!
As I see it, a major buff to our melee damage is owed to us, to compensate for the nerfing to our finishers. This would balance the dps loss from ambush and eviscerate, but also allow other classes to not get instantly 3 shotted by our openers.
Everyone who never played a rogue, says we are OP. The apparently don't look closely at death knights, mages, hunters, pallys, warriors, etc. I bet, if they brought our escape cool downs down to be in line with a mages blink and hunters disengage, non rogues would pitch a royal FIT! Imagine a rogue with a 20 second vanish! OH MY GOD!
To be quite honest, if they did that, and lowered the cd on CoS to 30 seconds, sub would be fixed. It would give us better survivability and the bursty feel we rolled sub for in the first place.
Lastly... I know many players play 2 specs. That is fine for them. They want to play 2 specs. Personally, my spec has always been sub. I don't see any reason that i should be forced to respec into another playstyle. I pay my monthly fee just like every other player. If they thing rogues are op.. then THEY can respec.
But.. my best advice to non rogues.. the ones in all the forums saying how OP we are and how we need to be nerfed more, is this.. LEARN TO PLAY YOUR CLASS and LEARN YOUR COUNTERS! Like.. priests.. Oh rogues are op.. my answer.. Yeah, if you let us ambush you 4 times, we are. If you use fear use a DOT! DUH! If you can't figure that out.. delete your character or dont play PVP!(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##hatman555##DELIM##
Comment by
Spexlianok
Skilled in the art of
Stealth
, poisons(
Wound Poison
,
Crippling Poison
,
Deadly Poison
,
Leeching Poison
),
Evasion
, and
Ambush
ing. Masters of the battleground, and ruthless combatants. You are
Marked for Death
when you see one, for they can
Blindside
opponents in the
Blink
of an eye. They also have a variety of stuns. They can also, surprisingly, be very good at ranged combat, with skills like
Shuriken Toss
\
Deadly Throw
. They also have finishing moves, that consume combo points and deal a ton of damage or stun for a while, or buff/heal themselves. Finishing moves include
Death from Above
,
Dispatch
Slice and Dice
,
Kidney Shot
, and
Rupture
.
TLDR:
Rogues are awesome and should not be underestimated. Also using links is fun.
Comment by
Skymtes
Does anyone know if these weapons is made up or if they are in the game and if they are in the game, what is the name of them?
http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/177061.jpg
Since the link is removed, the rogue made by ArgentSun.
Comment by
Ryawy
Don't hate, eviscerate!
Comment by
Eido
All automatically learned
Rogue
glyphs by level:
Level
25
:
,
Level
50
:
Level
75
:
,
source
Comment by
newks1711
I am totally new to Wowhead, have just created an account. At first perusal the sight looks very professional and absolutely full of good advice which I know will assist me in my time in WOW. My favourite toon is the Rogue which I will shortly have 3 of, thank you for your help so far.
Mark
Comment by
Boxofbeer
Each class in Legion has a long class hall quest chain — campaign. During that chain you'll raise your power and power of your class hall.
Rogue
class hall campaign quests is under the spoiler.
Warlock
class hall campaign
1
98
Call of The Uncrowned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a14fh18MCAg
2
98
The New Blood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhKSduj8u8
3
98
The Tome of Blighted Implements
Artifact Chosen
.
Ulthalesh, the Deadwind Harvester
quest chain
98
Ulthalesh, the Deadwind Harvester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7WBJLQOQ9c
98
Following the Curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x64P8S-Py0
98
Disturbing the Past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE7LuusbaLU
98
To Point the Way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80KtZ-kIsg
98
The Fate of Deadwind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7htn82WZT4
98
The Dark Riders
Ulthalesh, the Deadwind Harvester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieG1kPgZ0tw
.
Skull of the Man'ari
quest chain
98
Ritual Reagents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1x6w5W2Sw
98
Looking into the Darkness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIw9t-L6wk
98
Dark Whispers
Skull of the Man'ari
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWKpIfovOk
.
Scepter of Sargeras
quest chain
98
Finding the Scepter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNL6iB_Fh6c
98
An Eye for a Scepter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKd8d3J1H-I
98
Ritual Ruination
Scepter of Sargeras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdR3JJ_MWpQ
.
4
98
The Power Possessed
https://youtu.be/eY_7IquhdvA
5
98
The Heart of the Dreadscar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48GTfcBeg8U
6
98
Rebuilding the Council
https://youtu.be/EhoB0efVgtE
7
98
The Path of the Dreadscar
8
101
A Mutual Friend
https://youtu.be/_CCMa_aeGHo
9
101
Rise, Champions
300 x
Order Resources
Calydus
Ritssyn Flamescowl
10
101
Information at Any Cost
100 x
Order Resources
11
101
Recruiting The Troops
100 x
Order Resources
Imps training
12
101
Troops in the Field
100 x
Order Resources
13
101
Tech It Up A Notch
500 x
Order Resources
14
101
Searching the Archives
15
103
An Unlikely Ally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnxJIBccUk
16
103
Bloodstone Bandit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYXy-edQQio
17
103
It Hungers for Blood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvBdpV4GVaQ
18
103
Testing a Theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQzDjPvS8E
19
103
Debt Repaid
https://youtu.be/s00REnIJAG8
20
103
A Daring Rescue
1000 x
Order Resources
Imp Pact
Glory of the Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhaKmVYOM90
21
103
Recruiting More Troops
Black Harvest Acolytes
https://youtu.be/2sjSwdaJOK0
22
103
Champion: Zinnin Smythe
Zinnin Smythe
23
103
Champion: Jubeka Shadowbreaker
Jubeka Shadowbreaker
24
103
Empowering the Soul
25
110
Hitting the Books
26
110
Gazing Into Oblivion
Visage of the Black Harvest
27
110
Black Rook Hold: An Unclaimed Soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyvx7k8HZ8
28
110
Soul Beacon
250 x
Order Resources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOEC8_HQiM
29
110
Mad Ernie the Alchemist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAL5S2wbj7w
30
110
Herding Goats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7O0SiCtBG8
31
110
Doom and Gloom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbkG_DhXgHk
32
110
Borrowed Time
1500 x
Order Resources
Greater Glory of the Order
Wristbands of the Black Harvest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2AJtPKQeM
33
110
Champion: Shinfel Blightsworn
Shinfel Blightsworn
34
110
Champion: Kira Iresoul
Kira Iresoul
35
110
Unparalleled Power
36
110
Vault of the Wardens: Matters of the Heart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvuBwkAA_2o
37
110
Let it Feed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRJAsacwfA
38
110
One Who's Worthy
39
110
Finding Fizzlebang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cRgHB9nB7Y
40
110
Coercing a Confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93d-hEG2-m8
41
110
Someone Else's Mess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfnsmHGGjMA
42
110
Lulubelle on Loan
https://youtu.be/ehMm6ypnRKE
43
110
Champion: Lulubelle Fizzlebang
Lulubelle Fizzlebang
44
110
Summoning the Sisters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1DEY6CrDOQ
45
110
Champion: Eredar Twins
Eredar Twins
46
110
Selecting a Sixth
5000 x
Order Resources
A Glorious Campaign
Robes of the Black Harvest
Greater Glory of the Order
titleRelic to choose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNJLnt7tvsU
.
There also a quest after the final one:
110
A Hero's Weapon
3rd relic slot
https://youtu.be/47oQLd9BlKA
Comment by
Boxofbeer
Each class in Legion has a long class hall quest chain — campaign. During that chain you'll raise your power and power of your class hall.
Rogue
class hall campaign quests is under the spoiler.
Rogue
class hall campaign
1
98
Call of The Uncrowned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a14fh18MCAg
2
98
The Final Shadow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhKSduj8u8
3
98
A Worthy Blade
Artifact Chosen
.
The Kingslayers
quest chain
98
Finishing the Job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7WBJLQOQ9c
98
No Sanctuary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x64P8S-Py0
98
Codebreaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE7LuusbaLU
98
Cloak and Dagger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y80KtZ-kIsg
98
Preparation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7htn82WZT4
98
The Unseen Blade
The Kingslayers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieG1kPgZ0tw
.
The Dreadblades
quest chain
98
A Friendly Accord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU1x6w5W2Sw
98
The Dreadblades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIw9t-L6wk
.
Fangs of the Devourer
quest chain
98
The Shadows Reveal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNL6iB_Fh6c
98
A Matter of Finesse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKd8d3J1H-I
98
Closing In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKd8d3J1H-I
98
Traitor!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKd8d3J1H-I
98
Fangs of the Devourer
Fangs of the Devourer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdR3JJ_MWpQ
.
4
98
Honoring Success
https://youtu.be/eY_7IquhdvA
5
98
Right Tools for the Job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48GTfcBeg8U
6
98
Injection of Power
https://youtu.be/EhoB0efVgtE
7
101
Return to the Chamber of Shadows
8
101
Rise, Champions
https://youtu.be/_CCMa_aeGHo
9
101
A More Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
300 x
Order Resources
Calydus
Ritssyn Flamescowl
10
101
The School of Roguery
100 x
Order Resources
11
101
The Big Bad Wolfe
100 x
Order Resources
Imps training
12
101
What Winstone Suggests
100 x
Order Resources
13
101
A Body of Evidence
500 x
Order Resources
14
101
Spy vs. Spy
15
103
The Bloody Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pnxJIBccUk
16
103
Mystery at Citrine Bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYXy-edQQio
17
103
Searching For Clues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvBdpV4GVaQ
18
103
Time Flies When Yer Havin' Rum!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQzDjPvS8E
19
103
Dark Secrets and Shady Deals
https://youtu.be/s00REnIJAG8
20
103
Champion: Lord Jorach Ravenholdt
1000 x
Order Resources
Imp Pact
Glory of the Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhaKmVYOM90
21
103
Convincin' Old Yancey
Black Harvest Acolytes
https://youtu.be/2sjSwdaJOK0
22
103
Fancy Lads and Buccaneers
Zinnin Smythe
23
103
Champion: Fleet Admiral Tethys
Jubeka Shadowbreaker
24
103
Throwing SI:7 Off the Trail
25
103
Blood for the Wolfe
26
110
Maw of Souls: Ancient Vrykul Legends
Visage of the Black Harvest
27
110
The Raven's Eye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNyvx7k8HZ8
28
110
Off to Court
250 x
Order Resources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOEC8_HQiM
29
110
A Sheath For Every Blade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAL5S2wbj7w
30
110
Noggenfogger's Reasonable Request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7O0SiCtBG8
31
110
Hitting the Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbkG_DhXgHk
32
110
A Particularly Potent Potion
1500 x
Order Resources
Greater Glory of the Order
Wristbands of the Black Harvest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2AJtPKQeM
33
110
Champion: Marin Noggenfogger
Shinfel Blightsworn
34
110
In Search of the Eye
Kira Iresoul
35
110
Eternal Unrest
36
110
Black Rook Hold: Into Black Rook Hold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvuBwkAA_2o
37
110
Deciphering the Letter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRJAsacwfA
38
110
Champion: Valeera Sanguinar
39
110
Where In the World is Mathias?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cRgHB9nB7Y
40
110
Pruning the Garden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93d-hEG2-m8
41
110
The World is Not Enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfnsmHGGjMA
42
110
A Burning Distraction
https://youtu.be/ehMm6ypnRKE
43
110
The Captive Spymaster
Lulubelle Fizzlebang
44
110
Picking a Fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1DEY6CrDOQ
45
110
A Simple Plan
Lulubelle Fizzlebang
46
110
Under Cover of Darkness
Eredar Twins
47
110
The Imposter
Eredar Twins
5000 x
Order Resources
A Glorious Campaign
Robes of the Black Harvest
Greater Glory of the Order
titleRelic to choose
48
110
Champion: Taoshi
Eredar Twins
49
110
Champion: Master Mathias Shaw
Eredar Twins
50
110
One More Thing...
Eredar Twins
51
110
A Hero's Weapon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNJLnt7tvsU
Comment by
Boxofbeer
Each class in Legion has a long class hall quest chain — campaign. During that chain you'll raise your power and power of your class hall.
Rogue
class hall campaign quests are under the spoiler.
.
Rogue
class hall campaign
1
98
Call of The Uncrowned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQi03LnZ3qM
2
98
The Final Shadow
Uncrowned Insignia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTBs1SQh0PM
3
98
A Worthy Blade
Artifact Chosen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVuiFm_eY1w
.
The Kingslayers
quest chain
98
Finishing the Job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWRQ14Ujafs
98
No Sanctuary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0rxTK8fpds
98
Codebreaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEGq10_lCU8
98
Cloak and Dagger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuAdDCF4qpg
98
Preparation
https://youtu.be/TZUsY6UAIQg
98
The Unseen Blade
The Kingslayers
https://youtu.be/sh-wqIQI91Y
.
The Dreadblades
quest chain
98
A Friendly Accord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-ZFn3OqOr0
98
The Dreadblades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNMHDFTiAOs
.
Fangs of the Devourer
quest chain
98
The Shadows Reveal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_snez58-K0
98
A Matter of Finesse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGw5asX1yM
98
Closing In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfPa4LwuhK8
98
Traitor!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kyk6ofTak0
98
Fangs of the Devourer
Fangs of the Devourer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUQXriPGNk
.
4
98
Honoring Success
https://youtu.be/tzkNsLQDqR8
5
98
Right Tools for the Job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-dYgtA8X4
6
98
Injection of Power
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G67XUn4j0o
7
101
Return to the Chamber of Shadows
8
101
Rise, Champions
300 x
Order Resources
Garona Halforcen
Vanessa VanCleef
https://youtu.be/CN90ZPG-Jz8
9
101
A More Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
100 x
Order Resources
10
101
The School of Roguery
100 x
Order Resources
Gang of Bandits training
11
101
The Big Bad Wolfe
12
101
What Winstone Suggests
500 x
Order Resources
Glory of the Order
13
101
A Body of Evidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z61NIypDo4
14
101
Spy vs. Spy
15
103
The Bloody Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx974IkR0S8
16
103
Mystery at Citrine Bay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hEplPfduSU
17
103
Searching For Clues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKqdOxAAlts
18
103
Time Flies When Yer Havin' Rum!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvj3txvk-yE
19
103
Dark Secrets and Shady Deals
1000 x
Order Resources
Bandit Wanted Poster
Glory of the Order
https://youtu.be/qFf4BAgKMl4
20
103
Champion: Lord Jorach Ravenholdt
Lord Jorach Ravenholdt
21
103
Convincin' Old Yancey
https://youtu.be/2sjSwdaJOK0
22
103
Fancy Lads and Buccaneers
Crew of Pirates
training
23
103
Champion: Fleet Admiral Tethys
Fleet Admiral Tethys
24
103
Throwing SI:7 Off the Trail
25
103
Blood for the Wolfe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DijclYZr-8c
26
110
Maw of Souls: Ancient Vrykul Legends
250 x
Order Resources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2g_CU6EJUs
27
110
The Raven's Eye
https://youtu.be/kGcZeeaqlPc
28
110
Off to Court
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNWMViE3JMk
29
110
A Sheath For Every Blade
Mask of the Uncrowned
30
110
Noggenfogger's Reasonable Request
5 x
Draught of Raw Magic
31
110
Hitting the Books
32
110
A Particularly Potent Potion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkngKGm5uD8
33
110
Champion: Marin Noggenfogger
Marin Noggenfogger
34
110
In Search of the Eye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3Ig3hiG9A
35
110
Eternal Unrest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuuFHajX3PM
36
110
Black Rook Hold: Into Black Rook Hold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyduA4sQrk
37
110
Deciphering the Letter
1500 x
Order Resources
Wristbands of the Uncrowned
Greater Glory of the Order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFmcZpPTJIw
38
110
Champion: Valeera Sanguinar
Valeera Sanguinar
39
110
Where In the World is Mathias?
40
110
Pruning the Garden
41
110
The World is Not Enough
42
110
A Burning Distraction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=053m67h-bXs
43
110
The Captive Spymaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd8S1FYYurg
44
110
Picking a Fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqNPOIGroDA
45
110
A Simple Plan
46
110
Under Cover of Darkness
47
110
The Imposter
5000 x
Order Resources
A Glorious Campaign
Chestguard of the Uncrowned
Greater Glory of the Order
titleRelic to choose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWJBU-LyOTU
48
110
Champion: Taoshi
Taoshi
49
110
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