I feel there is much more to Denathrius than we know. His Dreadlords were shaping the history for the universe for millennia, I just don't believe that we stroll in and lock him in the sword just like that, without him actually predicting it. Which is why I don't think Jailer has his key yet. Extracting it from imprisoned Primus seems like an easier task. Then again, wouldn't be beyond Blizzard to ditch another character with great potential, and maybe we indeed just strolled in and dismantled Sire's amazing plan. As for Sylvanas, I think she did was Jailor told her to do. But now she has to see Anduin behaving the same way she did after Arthas raised her, and that probably causes some degree of discomfort. Arthas forced her to follow his will, now she is forcing Anduin to follow hers and the Jailer's will, and Blizzard made a whole BFA animated shot to show that that wound is not healed within her.Something that bothers me ever since SL has started, is the relationship between the Lich Kings, Kel'Thuzad, and the Dreadlords. Kel'Thuzad throughout his history until SL has shown unwavering loyalty towards Arthas and Ner'Zhul, and distrust towards nathrezim, and it just doesn't click. On one hand, he called Dreadlords "jailers of the Lich King" and didn't like them for it, which could be understandable, if he truly believed they were demons and he was loyal to the Jailer. On another, both Arthas and Ner'Zhul didn't obey the Jailer, so if Kel'Thuzad was really loyal to him, his loyalty to the Lich Kings doesn't seem plausible. Which leads to another moment, both Gul'Dan and Varimathras seemed to know something about "death claiming this world". Understandable for Varimathras, who is in fact creature of death and not fel. But Gul'Dan? On the scale of Legion he was a pretty lowly minion to know something like this, and that makes me wonder, if Sargeras and the Jailer didn't have some kind of pact. Sargeras could use Argus to accelerate the rebirth of his demons, and when we subdued Argus, the engine of death broke down. Sargeras also considered creation flawed, and wanted to remake it, which is in some way similar to the Jailer's plans. Nathrezim bringing him Frostmourne and Helm of Domination should have risen some questions? And finally, void things don't go to SL, they return to the void, so making everything dead by extent protects it from becoming void-corrupted, which also aligns with Sargeras' plans.
I was just thinking: how exactly DID Anduin get to Bastion? I thought nothing could escape the Maw and the only ones who can are Mawwalkers. So how did The Jailer get him out of there? We know that Mawwalkers can use the gateway and can also help non-Mawwalkers cross it too (we already did so ourselves). Does this mean that Anduin is a Mawwalker? If so, why didn't he help The Jailer cross over in that case if he's under his command? Or is this cutscene supposed to play after we save him from Torghast and after he was turned by Sylvanas? That would mean that the player (us) just gets him out of there after being missing for a long time and acting all sinister when we finally meet him again. I know we did some stupid things in the past, but I kind of wonder how they're going to explain this.
my interpretation of events and what i think is going to happen:-sylvannas goes dark side with the jailer because she believes she knows some truth she must act on. something so horrible and terrifying betraying and destroying what she held dear is a cost worth paying-as time passes she notices that the jailer's actions are subtly tinged with madness. this glimpse and anduin's words plant a seed of doubt-the close parralels and connections with arthas make that seed bloom into full blown suspicion that she may not know everything-seeing anduin controlled as a death knight is enough to prompt further investigation-the one person who could give her better perspective is arthas himself, and so she will seek him out-arthas's fate and recollections will confirm her suspicions that she fell prey to the deceptions and half truths like arthas and even sargeras did-self recrimination will tell her she is too far gone, but maybe there is hope for redemption for arthas and making things right-arthas returns to save anduin. the act akin to saving himself-the jailers machinations are thwarted, but he wasnt just mad, and the dark forces behind him are revealedto me there is this prevailing theme in the wow. 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions' as they say. that abandoning morality can sometimes be completely rational, and that anyone or anything can fall prey to their own flavor of cold logic. all of which, in some form or another, touches upon the lives and events of all of the major characters (illidan, arthas, sargeras, jaina, thrall, etc). the lesson being that the actions taken is only part of it, and the struggle to understand right/wrong and good/evil is simply part of what it means to exist and have free willanywho, that is my personal take on how ive seen the wow storyline play out over the years. no doubt the reality will be completely different and im looking for depth where there is none
How to make WoW great again:1. Redeem Arthas.2. Kill Sylvanas.3. Save Tyrande.
Come on Odyn is clearly the Lord of Ravens. Both Norse mythology and WoW have indicated as much. Havi (Odyn)'s 2 pet ravens in Stormheim and Huginn & Muninn in Norse mythology brought information to Odin.My money is on Remornia being the Venthyr key. I also think the Winter Queen's key maybe Ysera, the Winter Queen gave up some of her power to resurrect Ysera and it would explain why Ysera could never leave the Shadowlands.
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"Anduin is being puppeteered. Does this mean Arthas was as well? If so, was it gradual rather than immediate like with Anduin?"Why is this even a question? Danuser (however you spell his name) said himself , Arthas's decisions were his and his alone.
We know that Anduin is alive and well, so perhaps he and Sylvanas made a plan together? Something like "Lets test if you are right Anduin, I'll make you a weapon, a vessel. You will be fine and unconscious-like but you will do some horrible stuff. We'll go with the Jailer's plan and if he lied to me and is working towards something else other than new, system that is just. We will destroy him together" or something like that? Would be interesting to see that kind of sneaky tactics from Anduin&Sylvanas duo.
This is a proper lore article! I see a lot of disagreement regarding Uther's reaction to Anduin. Personally it read to me as physically feeling heartache but he was unsure why. Now though, obviously we have a direct statement that he sensed the power of the Maw in Anduin.
There is a difference between an evil villain in a generic fantasy story and someone who slaughters women and children on a dare. Stop making mass murdering psychopats sympathetic! Sylvanas is a genocidal maniac and no amount of facial animations will prove me wrong. Under Stalin's regime 20 million people were murdered in gulags and concentration camps. Yet to this day: "There is growing nostalgia for the Soviet period and Stalin as a leader. Stalin is seen as the main figure who defeated fascism, who gets the honours for victory in the Great Patriotic War. And that war victory is a symbol of national pride for all Russians, even for those born in the post-Soviet period." Levada sociologist Karina Pipiya told BBC Russian.Just Operation Reinhard is responsible for murdering 1,7 million people during WWII. I will let you google what this operation was, if you do not know. This was just 1 operation. There were plenty others. And these were just civilian casualties. In the 20th century, ten million people were murdered in various remote parts of Central Africa. It was not a single genocide but a collection of ethnic wars which raged from Sudan, the Congo, through to Uganda and Rwanda. Soldiers and civilians were killed alike. According to WoW-Wiki, Teldrassil had the population of 23,962 on the night when Sylvanas burned it down on a dare. Were they real people? Of course not, it is just a video-game... However, it was Activision-Blizzard themselves who keep referring to the happenings in their game as "realistic" in the sense that the Fourth War (aka BFA) was inspired by real wars, whether it would be the Pacific Theatre of WWII or the American Civil War - where you can tell the tale of both sides and you theoretically you can portray each side as having their own truths. This is true. Until one side commits a genocide, a mass murdering of people that the game itself made a point of being "only innocents (remain)". Therefore it is very hard to take a fictional purple genocidal elf as sympathetic.