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Why does wow standard UI suck so badly?
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Post by
TheReal
HSR trained himself to play without add-ons. It can be done, but seriously...why would you ever want to play with the default UI? A few quick add-on configurations can produce something much more visually appealing and functional. The road-less-traveled is such because it's more difficult. If HSR would rather pound a nail in with his fist instead of using a hammer, so be it. If he wants to drive around with 3 differently colored panels on his car, that's his choice. Like many, I enjoy modding my UI. It's a form of artistic expression whether anyone else likes it or not.
Post by
Adamsm
Like many, I enjoy modding my UI. It's a form of artistic expression whether anyone else likes it or not.That's fine... and there are people, like myself, who prefer to keep it uncluttered and the way Blizzard set it up for us.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
.why would you ever want to play with the default UI?
1) I'm rarely on the same computer twice in a row, more often than not on a friend's. Addons just become a crutch.
2) I have used every bar/ui/raidframe addon under the sun, and found no improvement in my healing, tanking, or dpsing.
3) The game is much more engaging for me, and consequently fun, when I am watching the actual fight as opposed to a little green dot that tells me when I need to recast earth shield.
Post by
HoleofArt
3) The game is much more engaging for me, and consequently fun, when I am watching the actual fight as opposed to a little green dot that tells me when I need to recast earth shield.
But watching a timer is more engaging? Right.
That's fine... and there are people, like myself, who prefer to keep it uncluttered and the way Blizzard set it up for us.
Actually, if you know what you're doing, a custom UI will be far less cluttered than the Default UI, not to mention it means you have to spend less time looking for things, and more time playing.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
But watching
a timer
is more engaging? Right.
when I am watching
the actual fight
Now I understand why you need addons. You can't even pay close enough attention to read what I write
Post by
Runethorn
To the players who think the default UI is fine : I'm curious how you handle certain things in a raid environment?
e.g. You're an arcane mage who has to dispel Curse of Torpor on the Lady Deathwhisper encounter. Do you drag the little raid group panels out into your UI, and then watch them closely for the debuff to appear? And do debuffs even show up properly on them? I've always found them to be very lacklustre.
e.g. How about a resto druid rolling HoTs on the raid? Does the standard UI provide decent feedback of which HoTs are on which player and how many seconds of uptime they have remaining?
e.g. Say you're a cat druid or a rogue. You need to monitor your own portrait in the top left corner (energy and combo points); your buffs in the top right (slice'n'dice, savage roar); your target debuffs on the target frame (bleeds, poisons, mangle); your cooldowns on your action bars (killing spree, berserk); as well as the world environment itself (positioning, void zones) and probably other things I've overlooked. Managing all of this to a 'competitive' level seems kind of awkward in the basic UI, at least to me.
These are a few examples off the top of my head.
And they're serious questions. Yes, I personally make use of assorted add-ons that enhance the UI, but I elected to use them because I found the standard UI to be totally inadequate for my needs. I'd love to hear from experienced players who have found a better way of doing things.
Post by
Adamsm
I've been able to keep track fairly well.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Do you drag the little raid group panels out into your UI, and then watch them closely for the debuff to appear? And do debuffs even show up properly on them?
Yes, I always have raid frames out, for every toon, in every raid. And, yes, the show up fine for me.
How about a resto druid rolling HoTs on the raid? Does the standard UI provide decent feedback of which HoTs are on which player and how many seconds of uptime they have remaining?
I measure time by GCDs, and I've formed an accurate internal clock for all the toons I play regularly. So I know how many GCDs all my DoTs and HoTs last.
Say you're a cat druid or a rogue. You need to monitor your own portrait in the top left corner (energy and combo points); your buffs in the top right (slice'n'dice, savage roar); your target debuffs on the target frame (bleeds, poisons, mangle); your cooldowns on your action bars (killing spree, berserk); as well as the world environment itself (positioning, void zones) and probably other things I've overlooked. Managing all of this to a 'competitive' level seems kind of awkward in the basic UI, at least to me.
I don't play cat or rogue, but I have no problem taking in relevant information from my entire screen.
Post by
TheReal
Like many, I enjoy modding my UI. It's a form of artistic expression whether anyone else likes it or not.That's fine... and there are people, like myself, who prefer to keep it uncluttered and the way Blizzard set it up for us.
My UI is not cluttered. People who recklessly throw add-ons into their SpartanUI have a cluttered UI.
Post by
Adamsm
Like many, I enjoy modding my UI. It's a form of artistic expression whether anyone else likes it or not.That's fine... and there are people, like myself, who prefer to keep it uncluttered and the way Blizzard set it up for us.
My UI is not cluttered. People who recklessly throw add-ons into their SpartanUI have a cluttered UI.
/shrug, Was merely an example, wasn't directly aimed at you TRA.
Post by
HoleofArt
But watching
a timer
is more engaging? Right.
when I am watching
the actual fight
Now I understand why you need addons. You can't even pay close enough attention to read what I write
Because that's
clearly
what I was talking about. I like you conveniently ignoring the other part of what your wrote.
And now you're even insulting me. Sounds to me like someone is a little defensive.
opposed to a little green dot that tells me when I need to recast earth shield.
That is what I was responding to.
And how is a little green dot for pretty much anything, any different then a little timer?
It isn't.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
You're talking about a timer. I'm talking about a giant hunk of rock floating around a guy. Those are a bit different.
I love how you have no idea what you're talking about.
Post by
HoleofArt
You're talking about a timer. I'm talking about a giant hunk of rock floating around a guy. Those are a bit difference.
I love how you have no idea what you're talking about.
as opposed to a little green dot that tells me when I need to recast earth shield.
That is what I was responding to.
And how is a little green dot for pretty much anything
, any different then a little timer?
It isn't.
/cough
It was a general question. Because you do use addons, you must have to watch some timers, correct? Whereas Grid or other addons would show the tiny green dot.
You know, for someone who seems to try really hard to be insulting and superior, you're really bad at it. I'd say Aestu does a way better job. Keep trying though.
Post by
132319
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Post by
306612
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I was trying to point out that HoleofArt's point was valid since the claim you made was
Challenging content is dead, and can't say hi.
You're taking it out of context. So, yes, going back to a previous post is very much an important thing to do.
Jumping into the middle of a conversation, taking a random sentence, and claiming that it means something is suspect at best.
Here is the back and forth which you're ignoring:
All that information is already available in-game, so I have no problem with it.
Challenging content says "hi".
Challenging content is dead, and can't say hi.
Sure if you look at just that last sentence by itself, it could be taken as a claim of objective truth, but when you see that the point that is being made is a subjective one (i.e. "I have no problem with "), the it becomes abundantly clear that as a whole, I'm saying "I have no problem with ,
because I am not challenged by the content
."
It has nothing to do with "backpedaling" or any of those other things you mentioned, because those came after.
It was a general question. Because you do use addons, you must have to watch some timers, correct? Whereas Grid or other addons would show the tiny green dot.
I realize this is a lot of data for you to process without addons, so here's my statement again:
I measure time by GCDs, and I've formed an accurate internal clock for all the toons I play regularly. So I know how many GCDs all my DoTs and HoTs last.
Post by
HoleofArt
You keep trying to be insulting. You should really grow up and act less defensive.
I measure time by GCDs, and I've formed an accurate internal clock for all the toons I play regularly. So I know how many GCDs all my DoTs and HoTs last.
And how is a little green dot for pretty much anything, any different then a little timer?
It isn't.
Regardless if you count it inside your head or not, how is it any different then seeing a green dot fade away, which is no more time consuming than keeping count in your head? If anything, it would allow you to spend more time "actually playing" as you put it.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Regardless if you count it inside your head or not, how is it any different then seeing a green dot fade away, which is no more time consuming than keeping count in your head? If anything, it would allow you to spend more time "actually playing" as you put it.
Who said I count inside my head? You do know what and internal clock is, right? When I cast riptide I know when it's up; when I cast wild growth I know when it's off-cd again. Not because I count. Because I have an internal clock. Everyone I know has it to some degree when playing WoW, so I don't know why this is so hard for you to follow.
And what's the "actually playing" quote that you attribute to me.
I've made the distinction between watching a green dot / timer vs watching the actual game (i.e. the characters within the three dimensional playing field). But that really has nothing to do with internal clocks.
Post by
132319
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
If it was abundantly clear that the subjective was implied for the follow-on statement in the initial quote pyramid, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Yet you admit to taking the sentence out of context, so really I don't know why you're still trying to argue something.
That post was in reply to a very specific post, which in turn was in reply to another very specific post. Those previous posts give it meaning. By your logic, If I said "Yes" in a post in reply to a previous post, I'm at fault for being unclear.
Regardless of any of that, you know and have know for a dozen posts now what was meant, and so does HoleOfArt, so any argument past that point is one of semantics, not about the actual claim made.
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