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Grums
Not to sound like a jackass or offend you in any way, but why would you ever make a pvp spec that was focusing on BG's ?
Because some people don't like arena's and only enjoy BGs.
And like I stated, your spec in BG has absolute no impact in the result of the BG, so it would be a "dead end" to even discuss it.
How would a spec in a BG have no effect to the outcome?
Lets take an easy example.
In EotS you see the opposing flag carrier and if you manage to kill him, you'll win the BG but if you fail to do so you'll lose. If you're the player who's in greens and blue with a PvE spec, it's highly unlikely that you'll be able to kill him whereas a person with a proper spec and gear will have a better shot at it.
You want another example.
You're in a WSG where team A has 3 healers and team B has 0. You can clearly see that the team with the 3 healers will have a significant better chance to win the BG simply because they chose a spec that allows them to heal. Yes I'm exaggerating here, but that's not always a bad thing.
Dude you would never know how many healers your team got unless your making a premade, in that case is hole different story but still your own team will be able to carry ur PVE spec. Gladly we will see rated BG's in the future so putting a setup together with a certain amount of healers/prot/dps specs will be discussed. You wont be able to carry a pve specced guy to more than 1800 rating in arena, simply because of the fact that in arena ur left alone and ur impact on your team does matter ALOT and another underrated fact is that people start with ALL their cooldowns in arena.
But if ur a totally random guy who just wanna join some random BG's for honer your spec is totally useless, because your chance to be put on a totally noob team with recently dinged lvl 80'ers and AFK'ers is to big. Bg's is fun, dont take me wrong but it don't show any means of skills because in most case's it's an unfair fight and there is not a thing on earth you can change about that, no matter how much wrathfull gear+pvp spec you have.
... I think I'd have to go with takolin on this one. I can come up with another example if you want:
Team A has 15 people in PvE specs (Lack of stuns and utility, but has more damage/healing.)
Team B has 15 people in PvP specs (More stuns, CC, and abilities turned toward players and not NPCs that do the same crap for 3 minutes.)
Which will win? The spec that's
designed against players
or the one that isn't?
Have you even read my post ? Its totally random who ur going to team up with if its not a premade, which means ur spec is totally useless for BG because you can't control who your team mates gonna be.
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Nice necro.
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Have you even read my post ? Its totally random who ur going to team up with if its not a premae, which means ur spec is totally useless for BG because you can't control who your team mates gonna be.
You may not be able to control who you're up against or who you're with, but you can help you team by having a proper spec. Believe it or not, one person can make a huge difference in a game. If that one person is PvP specced, they have a better chance of victory.
I've seen a single player in Wintergrasp win the game for us on an Offense game. Everyone was attacking the east wall, but this lone person attacked the west wall and got all the way to the keep's door. He smashed it in, and won the match for us. This match was won more because he was smart, not his spec, but the point is is that one person can make a huge difference.
Yes, one person can make a huge difference...... in arena! Not in BG. And ur little story is more about the oppenent being retarded than the guy being smart or having a good spec.
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Have you even read my post ? Its totally random who ur going to team up with if its not a premae, which means ur spec is totally useless for BG because you can't control who your team mates gonna be.
You may not be able to control who you're up against or who you're with, but you can help you team by having a proper spec. Believe it or not, one person can make a huge difference in a game. If that one person is PvP specced, they have a better chance of victory.
I've seen a single player in Wintergrasp win the game for us on an Offense game. Everyone was attacking the east wall, but this lone person attacked the west wall and got all the way to the keep's door. He smashed it in, and won the match for us. This match was won more because he was smart, not his spec, but the point is is that one person can make a huge difference.
Yes, one person can make a huge difference...... in arena! Not in BG. And ur little story is more about the oppenent being retarded than the guy being smart or having a good spec.
/sigh Okay. I'm going to have to force you to watch
this
then.
One person can make a difference. They don't even have to have the most uber spec in the game, as long as it's designed for PvP. It doesn't matter if the other team is dumb. As long as you as an individual greatly helped your team thanks to the aid of a PvP spec, you made a difference. If you didn't have a PvP spec, you may have failed at objectives.
This might make your head explode since you don't seem to understand battlegrounds that much: I capped the tower all by myself.
Noticing that you have never been above 1661 rating in arena pretty much sums up your knowledge for pvp =)
I didn't expect much from a guy who says a spec have any inpact on a random BG, but what the hell this is wowhead the place for PVE heroes. Ur little clip where u were fighting two random undergeared noobs don't show anything. Ur running around with some useless fire spec randomly nuking them without even thinking about polymorphing the second target instead of dotting him. on the other side you actually proved my point about a spec being useless when you choose the worst pvp spec for any PVP action and show a clip of it.
thanks
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I agree with the polymorph statement for fire mages. Polymorph is basically the least useful for fire mage pvp because it will break on dots. The mage will need to rely a lot more on frostnova and dragon's breath to CC their targets if they're to get any cast time spells in.
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Grums
Noticing that you have never been above 1661 rating in arena pretty much sums up your knowledge for pvp =)
I've never had a healer on any of my teams before, I just got my first 2s healer not too long ago, and we're still climbing. A smart player knows that Fire Magi need some heals to cover their fragility. Now that I've obtained a healer that will stay with me, and once he gets better with gear, I wont be surprized that we get to at least 1700. Then again, I'm
running around with some useless fire spec
So I don't think you should expect a high rating, should you? Most people are surprized that people like me can even get to 1550.
Ur little clip where u were fighting two random undergeared noobs don't show anything.
And I'll quote myself again, as if you didn't read my previous post:
It doesn't matter if the other team is dumb. As long as you as an individual greatly helped your team thanks to the aid of a PvP spec, you made a difference.
And making a difference in PvP is what we're talking about, yes?
randomly nuking them without even thinking about polymorphing the second target instead of dotting him.
I couldn't risk setting some time in one spot casting a spell for CC. Even if I had distance, I could easily be stunned by the warrior. I was facing two classes that had a lot of stuns. I didn't have a lot of time for casting. I have to use my AoE to my advantage so I can keep moving away from them, and keeping my health in good shape. It's a Fire Mage thing, I don't think you understand a Fire Mage's playstyle too well if you haven't played it before. I assume that since you always say, "ZOMG teh frost/IMP CS spec is best!"
on the other side you actually proved my point about a spec being useless when you choose the worst pvp spec for any PVP action and show a clip of it.
thanks
Just because something is worse doesn't mean it's useless.
A Hunter specced in Beast Mastery is generally thought of the worst of the specs, but they aren't useless. They have the potential to reach 1500-1600 in arena just as I do.
So you still think I have a useless spec. Care to explain how I pulled off what I did in that clip? Don't make me re-post my quotes in responce to that horrid reply:
u were fighting two random undergeared noobs
Hahaha let me tell you something, even my retarded grandmother who is blind and have cancer is able to get 1550 rating without gear or a talent tree and did you know that the most respected and well known fire mage in the world is playing a double dps setup in 2v2 ? Go to warcraftmovies and all the fire mages you see is playing double dps in 2v2. So your little story dont really last long my friend.
It doesn't matter if the other team is dumb. As long as you as an individual greatly helped your team thanks to the aid of a PvP spec, you made a difference.
Your spec was not the thing that helped you, in facts your spec is so retarded that it pretty much sums up how unimportant spec is in BG and you will still be able to nuke scrub noobs down.
And stop pretend like whatever you did was on purpose, you were just randomly spaming your few abillitys. And you had frost nova off the CD so you easily root them and give yourself time to sheep the warrior. Let me get you an example. Imagin you had a random stupid PVE arcane spec:
POM sheep warrior and blow the rogue up in a AB+Abarr combo before he CoS. If he CoS you IB and jump out with a nova and repeat your PVE rotation, like I have said no matter what you did to those two undergeared noobs they would get blown up in a matter of seconds.
And cut the cr*p about that I dont understand the firemage playstyle. I have played more firemage or any other mage spec than you will ever do, I do know the mecanics. FFS your still a 1550 hero, you havn't proved anything in acording to pvp. If you try to fight people on 2700 mmr like I do, you will know that pvp is more than just casting AOE and "move" away so you can keep your health in good shape ;D LMAO but what would you know, you're fighting other 1550 heroes who dont have keybinding,skills,gear, proper spec or communication.
Just because something is worse doesn't mean it's useless.
A Hunter specced in Beast Mastery is generally thought of the worst of the specs, but they aren't useless. They have the potential to reach 1500-1600 in arena just as I do.
So you still think I have a useless spec. Care to explain how I pulled off what I did in that clip? Don't make me re-post my quotes in responce to that horrid reply:
I didn't say your spec was "useless" what I ment was that specs are useless generally and it dosn't matter if you kill two people in one base, because of the fact that if you end up in a team with a bunch of brainless noobs no matter how good you play and how nice your spec is you will lose the BG in the end. Thats why my statement is that you should just choose a spec you find funny and not a spec that is the "best".
And yes I would like to explain how you pulled that off in the clip: You basicly facerolled two undergeared noobs who properly click all their abillitys. Thats the problem, you will never be able to show skills in a BG like you do in arena because of the fact that in arena people have all their CD's from the beginning and you can judge their skill level on what MMR they might have in the end.
Im not sure why im even arguing with a 1550 rated hero, im a little disapointed though some more pvp experience people would like to discuss. I feel im talking for deaf ears. But what to expect from wowhead. Thats why im posting on arenajunkies and not this PVE infected dragon slayer club.
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Grums
You do not control or see my mind. I use reason and logic in my strategics. ~4 years of experience says that..
4 years and still could not break 1600 rating ? either your a ebayer or just a really slow at learning.
I've played Fire Mage for 4 years. WoW has been out for maybe 6-7 years right? There are 3 trees yes?
7/3 isn't greater than 4. I think I
have
been playing fire longer than you considering I've never respeced out of fire.
Dude you have been playing 4 years of fire and still havn't been breaking 1600 ? You must have been running around doing quests for 4 years then or being a PVE hero. You obviously have no knowledge about fire pvp when you cant break a standard rating. I mean come on dude I don't even have to explain how bad ur fire pvp experience is, you statisstic dont lie mate.
I have all of those except a proper spec..
Wasn't talking about you but your oppenents. But anyway, you surely dont have skills.
/sigh I guess I was proven wrong. You
did
ignore my posts.
No you just dont understand how bad ur oppenents were and that could be standing spamming your wand and still own them
That's ok, because I feel like I'm arguing with a wall. Plus, you said you'd leave a long time ago. (years ago?)
If you have any more objections or questions for me, you can refer to my previous posts. We're going in a circle with this. Since you can't see it I'll just throw that out there.
Wowhead forums is welcome to all general players. If you think you're too "ubercool" then please leave us. You obviously do not like to argue with other members of this site, as I look back at all of your previous posts.
I'm only responding to other members on this thread from now on. Don't bother to object to any of my statements again. Like I said, refer to my previous posts and the answer you shall find.
You my friend have ABSOLUTELY no knowledge about pvp'ing as a mage and thats also okey somebody just had to tell you the ugly truth. You stats tells me ur a PVE hero running around slaying awefull noobs and then thinks his the man. You should go reply to PVE threads because all you do is confusing people with your noobish knowledge about pvp. MATE YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN ABOVE 1600 and you have only played 1600 rated arena matches how can you even defend what your saying ? It's impossible, cause you just dont have experience in pvp. I don't mind people who come and give their opinion, but if they keep arguing for a subject they have no freaking knowledge about it just annoys me cause you giving wrong facts to the guy who made the thread in the first place. And don't care about your earlier post, it dont make them more true telling me to look them up again.
Keep slaying dragons, cause fighting against other players is just not your area Mr. 1600 hero.
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