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Organizing crafting mats into tiers
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Post by
PhantomScourge
Back in the days of Classic WoW, there were five "tiers" of cloth (linen, wool, silk, mageweave, and runecloth), stone (rough, coarse, heavy, solid, dense), leather (light, medium, heavy, thick, rugged), and hide, assuming that Ruined Leather Scraps don't count as a tier. Each expansion pack has introduced a new tier of cloth (netherweave, frostweave, embersilk, windwool) and leather/hide (knothide, borean, savage, exotic), and some mote garbage that's roughly equivalent to the various grades of stone from Classic. The new ores, herbs, and gems introduced in each expansion pack could also be considered tiers.
However, the ores, herbs, and gems from Classic do not seem to lend themselves very well to a tier hierarchy. If you had to organize them into five tiers, how would you do it?
I'd put the ores/bars as follows:
Tier 1: copper ore/bars
Tier 2: Tin ore, bronze bars
Tier 3: Iron ore/bars, steel bars
Tier 4: Mithril ore/bars
Tier 5: Thorium ore/bars
I'd put silver, gold, and truesilver in a different list entirely because they're used for jewelcrafting rather than blacksmithing.
EDIT: also, do clams, clam meat, and pearls come in tiers?
Post by
Eccentrica
I've tried to tier all the old world mats. I created a series of spreadsheet to calculate the true vendor floor of all mats and I had the most difficult time with old world because they 'drip'. If you look at the recipes you can create with the various mats, Tier 1 recipes (for example) don't all end at the same number of professional skill points. I tried the 60 point rule of thumb as the five types of each mat group cover 1-300 in each prof.
I did place Silver, Gold and Truesilver into the tiers as they are rare spawns of their respective Tier ore (in the same way as Titanium is a rare spawn of Saronite), and they are used for Blacksmithing and Engineering recipes in addition to Jewelcrafting (and a handful of Tailoring recipes call for Silver, Gold and Truesilver).
Yes, clam meat and pearls have Tiers as well, although with the removal of the requirement for upgraded enchanting rods the utility of pearls is greatly reduced.
Post by
Adamsm
Setting up herbs is easy; they group up according to what can be milled and made into inks.
Post by
Eccentrica
Setting up herbs is easy; they group up according to what can be milled and made into inks.
Yeah, Inscription provides 6 Tiers for Herbs.
Post by
PhantomScourge
Setting up herbs is easy; they group up according to what can be milled and made into inks.
Yeah, Inscription provides 6 Tiers for Herbs.
Well, ya learn something new every day. I guess I would have known this if I was a scribe.
Oh, that reminds me. What about enchanting mats? All those crystals and dusts... I never paid attention to that stuff.
Post by
Eccentrica
There are 5 Tiers of old world enchanting mats:
1 - Strange Dust, Lesser and Greater Magic Essence
2 - Soul Dust, Lesser and Greater Astral Essence
3 - Vision Dust, Lesser and Greater Mystic Essence
4 - Dream Dust, Lesser and Greater Nether Essence
5 - Illusion Dust, Lesser and Greater Eternal Essence
Old World provides only 4 Tiers of Shards: Glimmering, Glowing, Radiant and Brilliant in both large and small varieties. Large Brilliant Shards also 'drip' into Outland mats with half of it's source items being Outland quest or crafted gear.
Post by
PhantomScourge
okay so... gems? Any way from them to be organized into tiers?
Post by
Adamsm
Same way as the previous gathering items: Vanilla, BC, Wrath, Cata then Mists. That's pretty much the most basic and obvious answer out there.
Post by
PhantomScourge
No no no, I mean the old world gems. You can't just lump all the old world stuff into one tier.
And are there only four tiers of old world clams/pearls? Small barnacled/lustrous, thick-shelled/tangy/iridescent, giant/giant/black, and big-mouth/zesty/golden?
Post by
Adamsm
You actually can; all of the old world gems are fairly obvious in how they fall in the progression and which you get from which node/prospecting.
Post by
Rankkor
Same way as the previous gathering items: Vanilla, BC, Wrath, Cata then Mists. That's pretty much the most basic and obvious answer out there.
actually, there were no gems in vanilla. Socketed items began in TBC :P
just putting it out there.
Post by
Adamsm
Vanilla still had gem stones Rank.
Post by
Rankkor
Vanilla still had gem stones Rank.
o_O for what? there was no jewelcrafting back then.
Post by
Adamsm
Mainly Blacksmithing and Leatherworking. Plus you know, Arcanite. But yeah, pretty much all of the ores had gems attached to them; copper and tin had malachite and tiger's eye, and as you went up, you saw things like the Azerothian Diamonds and the other high end things.
Post by
PhantomScourge
copper : malachite, tigerseye, shadowgem
tin : shadowgem, moss agate, lesser moonstone, jade
iron : lesser moonstone, jade, citrine, aquamarine
mithril : citrine, aquamarine, star ruby
thorium : star ruby, arcane crystal, azerothian diamond, huge emerald, blue sapphire, large opal
As you can see, there's a bit of overlap.
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