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Comentado por 2OfDiamonds

Naxxanar was merely a setback!

25-30 seconds in

Comentado por 301983

It seems that Kael'thas has a clone

Comentado por Noromis

Why don't belf bosses shut up and stay dead?

Comentado por Rankkor

blizz should add a new meta-achievement, called "it was all merely a set back"

gained when you defeat bosses that make come-backs

the bosses would be:

Kael'tas on both The Eye and Magister Terrace.
Anu'barak both on Azjol'nerub and ToTC
Baron Rivendare on Stratholme and on Naxx.
Valanar when doing the quest Last rites (alliance) or breaking trough (horde) and killing valanar on ICC.
Keleseth both on utgarde keep and ICC
Taladran on Ank'anet and ICC
Onyxia on her lair and on BWD.
Nefarian on BWL and on BWD.
The Black Knight on his quest in the Argent Tournament and on Trial of the Champion.
Ragnaros on MC and on the Firelands.

the achievement could reward something goofie like a mini Kael'tas pet, or the title "The Smug" (as a reference of "don't look so smug" line spoken by Kael'tas)

Edit:Updated for cataclysm, since it features the return of 2 well known dragons back in undead form as well as a certain majordomo-punishing elemental lord.

Edit2: edited for better format, and removing typos

Comentado por 436033

The Blood Prince Council has Prince Keleseth (Who was in Utgarde Keep), Prince Taldaram (Who was in Ahn'Kahet: The Old Kingdom), and Prince Valanar (Who you may remember from the Death Knight's beggining area)

Comentado por 387589

these guys are vampires, we need garlic, stakes, and holy water to finish them

Comentado por Nitros14

From WoWwiki

"This is a long one phase encounter. You will need one ranged tank and two regular tanks.

Invocation of Blood will randomly buff one of the Blood Princes and only that Prince will have a health bar to DPS. The other Princes will have 1 HP and attacking them will have no effect. Invocation of blood switches between princes throughout the encounter and DPS must switch with it. Prince Valanar will be the first Prince with Invocation of Blood.

A properly specced Warlock will be the most useful class for tanking Prince Keleseth. Dark Nucleii will spawn in the room around Keleseth and the Warlock must get aggro on them and stand near them. They will give the Warlock a stacking debuff that reduces shadow damage taken, allowing the warlock to survive Empowered Shadow Lance which is cast when Keleseth gains Invocation of Blood. Dark Nucleii should not be hit too hard and also destroy themselves over time, neccesitating finding more to keep the shadow resonance buff up.

Prince Valanar will use Kinetic Bombs which can be targetted and attacked to bounce them higher in the air and prevent them from exploding. He puts shock vortexes on random raid members which knock both them and any nearby raid members back 50 yards. When he gains Invocation of Blood he casts Empowered Shock Vortex which creates a shock vortex on top of every player within 30 yards, melee will need to scatter and get away from him.

Prince Taldaram will do a frontal cone fire attack and conjure balls of flame which follow a random raid member and do less damage the longer they are kited, minimum 10,000 damage. With Invocation of Blood he will launch Empowered Balls of Flame which do a huge amount of damage on impact and lesser damage to nearby targets along the way, doing less impact damage depending on how many players were hit while the ball was in flight. "

Comentado por 347360

So we run around in this uterus-shaped room (just look at its map), where blood flows, and there are nuclei...

Very funny Blizz.

Comentado por cywang86

If you look at the mirrors behind the bosses, you'll notice they represent each area where you met and killed them before you hit 80.
Left most is Keleseth with his UK room as the background.
Middle is the top of Naxxanar (the necropolis in borean tundra) where you fought and hopefully didn't wipe on him. (I hate his damage return buff)
Right one would be Taldaram's 'floor' in the Old Kingdom.

Comentado por Raithesage

Here are some clarifications on the ablities used in the encounter:

Kinetic Bomb: More than 1 can spawn at a time and all must be juggled in the air in order to prevent a intense raid damage. It will most likely cause a wipe. The Kinetic Bomb can be pushed higher into the air with perodic damage, so DoTs can keep them in the air. (Hunter's Serpent Sting is ideal since they have a large range.)

Dark Nuclei: These can spawn anywhere in the room during the encounter and must be damaged in order for them to latch onto a target. Any nuclei that spawn near the ranged tank seem to create an attraction and will automatically latch on. It's important for your ranged tank to grab more than three during the Keleseth's empowered phase as Dark Nuclei are constantly dieing having any less than 3 during his empowered phase is a guaranteed death. Also it's very important that your ranged tank build high threat on the Keleseth before he becomes empowered. It's somewhat troublesome when your having to run clear across the room to grab the nuclei and try and maintain high threat on him while dodging all of the other abilities. Your raid members can help you by misdirecting and using Tricks of the Trade on the ranged tank during the empowered phase in order to keep your threat lead.

Conjured Flame randomly targets a raid member. It's important to note that this can also target Keleseth's Ranged Tank and I would assume any other tank as well. Dodge and kite.

Shock Vortex: It's important for everyone to spread out when this ability is cast otherwise you'll suffer heavy physical damage and be knocked back.

Comentado por 461516

Is this encounter harder or easier than Festergut or Rotface? My guild's having trouble with them, and an alternative for more loot & badges would be nice.

Comentado por Tryce

I knew it!

He had a soulstone

Comentado por maaaet

i assume demonology warlocks will pwn here. cuz we can incinerate the boss we are not attacking (with 1 hp one) and then start spamming soulfire.
Right?

Comentado por 270028

Orb Management

These bosses have very low health for a reason. A lot of DPS are going to be split between the bosses and their orbs. I would say as long as the orb gimmicks are active, certain DPS will be off the boss and dealing with that. This is a fulltime job, and any slacking could wipe the raid.

Yellow Ball
There needs to be one dedicated ranged DPS to keep non-periodic, burst attacks on this orb. They can call out for more ranged assistance to get rid of it, but it is their job to look for and keep that orb from landing before switching DPS back to the current boss target.

Blue Balls (heh)
Kel's ranged tank needs to keep aggro on these and not kill them. Warlocks with drain / siphon life and DKs with anti-magic shield might be well-suited for this. If there's a hunter in the group, they should misdirect orbs onto this at all times. This should be their fulltime job if the ranged tank is having problems picking up orbs. DPS will make sure to not cleave these orbs down when focusing on Kel (stop all AOE).

Orange Ball
The easiest of the balls if there's competent melee DPS. When Kal casts his empowered fire orb, as many melee as possible will get ready to chase after it to absorb its damage. When that's done, move back to the boss.

Other tips:
-Val does a nasty empowered AOE that all melee DPS need to run from. They are not running from the boss so much as running from their teammates and the tank, as they explode and deal damage to themselves and anyone else close to them, which can add up fast if 3 dudes are sitting on top of each other. His big vortex is no problem as long as players stay away from it.
-Kel's empowered shadow bolts hit really hard. Lots of heals are needed on that tank.
-Tal is by far the easiest empowered phase as long as melee take care of his fire orb.
-These three bosses talk a lot of *!@# during the event. If you hear them yelling stuff, don't automatically assume that it's a response to a player they just killed. Just stay calm, stay alive and keep doing what you're doing.
-Know your role and don't sacrifice it to get some DPS on the boss. This will be a long fight if everyone is careful and short fight if everyone knows what they're doing or doesn't and wipes the raid. :)

Comentado por 304682

A lot of people in my guild arguing about balls...

Comentado por 270417

First boss in ICC not to have at least 2 rogue drops on 25. Makes me not even care that my guild probably can't down them in 25 :D

Comentado por MorphedChaos

Do note that if you don't have access to a Demo warlock, a frost mage with Magic Absorbtion will work fine. (Also a flask of lesser resistance can help.).

With all that and shadow prot or shadow prot aura, a mage can get 300 resistances which reduces the shadowlance a decent amount of damage.

If you really need to, you can get Frozen core, Arcane Shielding, and Prismatic cloak in some odd Arcane/frost spec to make a very good ranged tank. Oh, and Ice barrier helps a ton as well.

Comentado por 456111

The weapon he holds has the model of the Season 8 2h Sword. (and the other way round)

Comentado por Reixes

Prince Atherann isn't in this encounter......

More "It was merely a set back" Moments soon?

Comentado por 520501

This boss has the best death voice clip you can ever hope for. I don't think anything can come close to being better then him.

Comentado por 182333

It appears his Empowered Shock Vortex was recently and quietly changed. No longer can you out range it as a healer or ranged dps, the whole raid takes the shock. Easily enough handled by everyone spreading out 8 yards or more from each other to prevent overlap of the aoe damage.

Comentado por Korbritger

On heroic modes, "Kinetic Bombs" drop much faster (fall faster), and upon moving, a debuff called "Shadow Prison" is sometimes applied upon moving. This debuff can stack upon continued movement, and will until the debuff completely drops (from duration).

Comentado por 146010

From a tanking perspective, there is an alternate way of doing things to the suggested strat of 2 tanks + 1 ranged dps tank.

This alternative method is to use an actual tank to replace your ranged tank on Keleseth. In a 10 man raid, your main tank should be able to tank Valanar and Taldaram together at the same time, and in a 25 man raid you bring 3 tanks anyway.

This may work better for some groups because many DPSers are unused to having to tank anything at all, and they have considerably less health leading to potential healer problems (it has happened for my guild a few times, for example).

No, your tank will not have good threat, but it won't be any worse than your ranged tank would be managing. DKs, paladins and bears are the best for this role as they have a spammable long-range attack to use on the dark nuclei to pick them up, so they can devote more time to attempting to build threat on Keleseth. Warriors can do it but will be spending far more time running around after the orbs to collect them.

edit - I speak of regular mode only here. On heroic you may not be able to get away with it on 10 man, but I couldn't say.

Comentado por lichee

Quote from Lanthon on the ElitistJerk forum:

Prince Keleseth will cast a stronger version of his shadow bolt. By the time these start hitting, the ranged tank should have at least 3-4 dark nuclei on him. The shadow damage reduction is multiplicative, using the formula 1-(0.65^N) where N is the number of nuclei (see Ciopo's post on page 2). This gives a reduction of:
1 Nuclei: 35% shadow reduction
2 Nuclei: 58%
3 Nuclei: 73%
4 Nuclei: 82%
5 Nuclei: 88%
6 Nuclei: 94%

The tank can expect to consistently keep 4-5 nuclei.

In 10 man, according to this Wowhead article, the Empowered Shadow Lance dishes out ~80k dmg. This comes out to roughly:
3 Nuclei: 21.6k dmg taken
4 Nuclei: 15k
5 Nuclei: 10k
6 Nuclei: 5k

Imo, Keleseth OT's should shoot for 4+ orbs.

gl!

Comentado por 564159

His cup runneth over.

Comentado por Avallen

The first time our guild did this encounter after 3.3.3 went live, we found the doors on either side of this room to be lacking collision meshes during the encounter, read: half our raid got punted through the doors down the hallway. Luckily, we could run back through the door, but it scared us. It may just have been our raid, but do take heed if your tanks are used to tanking any of the Princes against the doors.

Comentado por thorackis

We do this encounter slightly different. Since there is so much going on for the dps to handle, we use one tank (me, a paladin) on both Valanar and Taldaram. I have a macro to replace my consecrate in 696 rotation, as consecrate plays havoc on the Dark Nuclei. This macro is: /cast Hammer of Wrath
I also use a macro to switch target and focus between Taldaram and Valanar whenever i need to switch boss.
This way "the other boss" is always on my focus. And since he has 1 health, i can spam Hammer of Wrath on him.

These bosses hit like little girls on 10 man normal, so using 1 melee tank and 1 ranged tank, frees up one dps or healer slot depending on where your raid is having issues (avoiding shocking vortex--> get an extra healer, cant keep bouncing balls up --> get an extra dps).

Comentado por 88936

anybody else notice that when they empower they say "the darkfallen orb has made me invincible!" at which point they go from actually being invincible, to completely vulnerable. talk about your all time backfires....

Comentado por 238448

Downed this tonight for the first time, using the 2 tank method. Our main tank, a paladin, tanked Valanar and Taldaram on the stairs, while our DK tank ran around the room collecting orbs and keeping agro on Keleseth.

Issues to be aware of are that no aoe and maybe even light dps should be done to Keleseth while he is empowered. As a ret pally I would take that part of the fight to either help top people off (we 2 healed this) or I would use single target attacks while avoiding things like divine storm or consecrate so as to not rip nuclei off the Kel tank.

We popped hero when Taldaram became empowered. Had a hunter on kinetic bomb duty, and melee chasing empowered fireballs when needed. Also having your tank healer know where the tanks have to move around to to avoid "slinkies of death" (shock vortices) helps. Our second best attempt was ended when our main tank got blown one way and her healer blown the other direction from a vortex.

This fight is really just a matter of surviving through all the craziness and just getting it down. It will take some wipes if you're just starting it, so good luck.

Comentado por 462511

Wep is Wrathful Gladiator's Claymore

Comentado por 468743

Did this on 10 man using 3 tanks which seems kind of absurd but the enrage timer is really forgiving for this fight. We had one tank for each boss with a DK tank on Keleseth. We used him because of his high health pool even though he doesn't have 100% great tank gear.
On 25 man we actually had to organize things but used the same tank method. All melee stays on the stage throughout the encounter. The first melee group go to the left side of the stage on Empowered Shock Blast, and the second melee group go the right side. Ranged are also spread out by sides with Group 3 on the left side of the room and group 4 on the right. Group 5 is our healer group and they went depending on who they had to heal. The flame tank took his own healer and went off to the right side of the stage on the steps but when the flame boss got empowered he would drag his boss up the steps to where the other boss was being tanked so that melee and that tank could absorb the fire orb and not have to move so much. Really the key to the fight is minimizing movement as much as possible which just requires an organized raid.

Comentado por Zepid

I am an Elemental shaman in our guild. Just wanted to point out that I was using Searing Totem to keep the Kinetic Bombs from touching the ground. Piece of cake, you run up to the bomb, you plant the totem and it keeps attacking the Kinetic Bomb for a whole minute.The Kinetic Bomb will not touch the ground. Every shaman in the raid can do this.

We had 2 shamans in the raid, I dropped a Searing Totem at Kinetic Bomb 1, and the other (resto) shaman dropped one at Kinetic Bomb 2. Made the encounter quite easy and we were able to dps/heal a lot more this way.

Zepid, 80 Shaman
Doomhammer EU

Comentado por 489789

Defeated this encounter on Apr. 23, 2010 using a setup with two traditional tanks, three healers, and five DPS:

Tank 1, Paladin -- tanked both Valanir and Taldaram in the center of the room.
Tank 2, Death Knight -- held threat on Keleseth while running around and collecting Dark Nuclei.

Healers: Druid, Paladin x 2.

DPS: S.Priest, Paladin, Mage x 2, Hunter.

With four ranged DPS, we divided the room into quadrants for purposes of keeping Kinetic Bombs floating. One ranged class was responsible for keeping KBs airborne in each quadrant.

Comentado por 423774

Arthas - "Doesn't anyone stay dead anymore?"

Comentado por 455115

very fun fight i just got my first down on 25 just want to say if you can try to rotate cds between then im unholy so thats not meany but ya fun fight hard but fun good luck killing them

Comentado por 426468

Setbacks are such a cliché these days.

Comentado por 528584

Been doing this very differently...

I tank both melee bosses and a mage holds the third boss, the extra dps seriously makes this an easy and fast fight.

But then us bears are a little OP right now in ICC ^^ 77K health buffed makes a big difference, still got 32% dodge and 35K armour so why not try your bear out on these dudes and let your dps play :)

Comentado por 37689

A tip for players with pets

/clearfocus
/cleartarget
/petpassive
/targetexact Kinetic Bomb
/focus
/targetlasttarget
/stopmacro
/script SetRaidTarget("target", 6)
/petattack
/cast Dash
/targetlasttarget

Or a slightly different version doesn't change focus.

/stopmacro
/cleartarget
/targetexact Kinetic Bomb
/petattack
/cast Dash
/script SetRaidTarget("target", 6)
/targetlasttarget

Comentado por 258919

A mix between Kael'thas (lolsetback) and the Illidari Council, with a little twist. Mark all three targets before engaging. While a warlock tank is good for the shadow boss, my raid had no problem having the main tank on the shadow prince and having the off-tank take the other two.

Basically, this fight is all about orbs (whether collecting or killing or running from) and AoE. It is a simple fight for the off-tank, if they are taking the two on the right, although if you are tanking these mobs then you will want to save your cooldowns for the empowered nova. DPS should simply alternate from target to target as their health bars swap. As for heals, this fight is 2-healable but if you have a warlock tank/3rd tank or have enough DPS, you can use a third.

Valanar also happens to be the only one of the Princes who was not defeated in a 5-man instance.

Comentado por Xaphireftw

A little tip, most often not being noted, is that you can easily set pets on the kinetic bombs. Get your hunters/warlocks/death knight's to do the trick, shadowfiend is a nice fallback when in danger.

Also, to have the best benefit of Heroism/Bloodlust, your shaman should use it when on Prince Taldaram (the right, fire one). Reason? Movement on the center one due to spreading, and the left (shadow) might want to be low on treath due to tank running.

Comentado por Asherett

He's wielding Wrathful Gladiator's Claymore, if anyone wondered (I did).

Comentado por Nerxedion

As i currently noticed in Blizz bug notes for the 3.3.5 patch they FINALLY realized that this encounter has an odd bug...
It is not very annoying in normal modes but in heroic you can wipe simply because of this. Kinetic Boms are loving to fall behind the doors, and your raid suddenly face a lots of bolts coming out from nowhere, knocking you out of space, stacking up the Shadow Prison or let your Keleseth tank lose his Shadow Resonance. (wiped because this 4 times in a row, duh)
I wonder why has it been only noticed in 3.3.5, when it was reported lots of times. Alas, i am happy to see it fixed finally...

Comentado por 245849

DO THEY KNOW HOW TO DIE !

Comentado por johanponken

It has been mentioned above here by semedori that you now can't evade vortices by being >30 yd away, as said by an otherwise very pedagogic video (better than tankspot's by virtue of pausing & using arrows & such, though tankspot's is viewed from a healer).

But regarding the wowhead description above "When Empowered, Shock Vortexes will spawn near all players, so everybody will need to move to a safe area, 13 yards away from where a vortex has spawned" is then just wrong, as the tooltip (and the videos, and my personal experience...) says it is on the players - i.e. follows you, so spread out.

BTW 8 yd mentioned many times above = 13yd (hit radius of the vortex) / 2 with half a yard to spare. This lets the vortex at least not hit too many people. But then, all four around you (theoretical grid distribution) will get hit, so aim for more - depending on you healers' capabilities. DBM watches for 12 yd.

There's always that balance between "healing it through" for DPS' sake, and losing DPS from running, or worse: death.

As this isn't a DPS race, and being a raid healer, I beg: if you got a good hit, please change a tad of focus from DPS to survival. Many thanks.

Comentado por arano101

My favorite fight in whole icc as a healer/dps pov. Many different mechanics that require constant awareness and fast reaction. The heroic version is even better as it "punishes" you for poor/wrong decision of movement. This is on par with lk in terms of entertainment for me.

Comentado por 423630

The model for Prince Valanar's Sword appears to be an unbroken (yet still taped) version of.

Glorenzelg, Lâmina-mor do Punho de Prata

Too bad the pointy end exploded off, this would have been a cooler sword for players to get.

Comentado por armrule

Sharing 25hm strat + positioning for those still having problem with this encounter.

--> http://raidbriefing.blogspot.com/2010/10/blood-prince-council-25hm.html

Comentado por deadcrusader

as of 4.0.1, this can bug

at the starrt of the fight they'll all be active at the same time which basically means a wipe

Comentado por Bruunpala

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law;

Comentado por 938583

Just wondering, can you get the gear that they are wearing (something that looks like it i mean)?

Comentado por Elladaryn

His quote "My cup runneth over" is probaly taken from the Bible, according to Wikipedia:

"My Cup Runneth Over" is a quotation from the Hebrew Bible (Psalm 23:5) and means "I have more than enough for my needs" though interpretations and usage may vary. Notably, it can be employed sarcastically to indicate that someone, e.g. one's host, is being less than generous.

It matches the ideia of the Orb giving increased powers for one of the bosses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Cup_Runneth_Over

Comentado por SquireKel

Meta-Achievement Mechanic
To obtain The Orb Whisperer achievements, raid groups must "defeat the Blood Council without anyone in the raid taking more than 23,000 in 10-man or 25,000 in 25-man in spell damage in a single hit."

Mishandling three spells can cause a raid group to fail this achievement, one from each of the Princes when active:

Empowered Shock Vortex is cast by Prince Valanar, and although a single hit cannot deal enough damage to lose the achievement, raids will nevertheless find it beneficial to spread out when it is being cast to minimize its impact. It's important to have ranged dps keep DoTs on the Kinetic Bombs as well, because if one falls and knocks players close to each other right before an Empowered Shock Vortex, this spell can cause the raid to fail the achievement.

Empowered Flame is cast by Prince Taldaram, and is only a concern if it hits a player within a short range who is standing alone. This spell does less damage the further it has to travel to the targeted player, as well as its damage being lessened if it hits more people. Raids should have melee run with the Flames toward the targeted player, as well as the targeted player running away from the Flames to neutralize the effect.

Empowered Shadow Lance is cast by Prince Keleseth, and is the most likely way for a raid to fail the achievement. Thus, it is extremely important for the tank on Keleseth to keep a stack of 3-4 Shadow Resonance on them at all times. This is given off by the Dark Nuclei that are conjured throughout the fight, and each stack decreases damage taken by Keleseth.

Heroic Fight Mechanic
There is one major mechanic change in the Heroic version of this fight. A new debuff has been added called Shadow Prison that deals increasing damage as it stacks, and it is prompted by movement. It takes 10 seconds for the debuff to fall off, so any movement should be done in bursts, rather than continuous. This can make the fight extremely difficult for the tank on Prince Keleseth, as well as on any melee dps in the fight.

To work with this new mechanic, as well as the other spells sent out during the fight, ranged players should spread out across the room. One tank should hold Prince Valanar and Prince Taldaram near the center of the room so that most of the ranged dps can attack the active Prince. It's still important to keep the raid spread out for Prince Valanar's Empowered Shock Vortex, the knockback effect of which will automatically stack the Shadow Prison debuff. Players that get thrown near another player should immediately separate, and then let the debuff fall off as quickly as possible to minimize the strain on healers. All melee dps should stay with these bosses, except when they need to spread out for the Empowered Shock Vortex.
Another tank should hold Prince Keleseth on the platform on the far end of the room, and try to kite in bursts, making use of any slows or stuns. Ranged dps should attack Keleseth when he is active, while melee wait until one of the other Princes activates.

Additionally, Kinetic Bombs will fall faster, so it's important to have ranged dps located near the four corners of the room dedicated to keeping them in the air with DoTs.

For help on more bosses in the raid, check out the Glory of the Icecrown Raider guide.

Comentado por Nobbel

How to: Solo The Blood Prince Council 10 man Heroic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CkaY_-wTqA

Comentado por MABGamer6407

Kids now remember, when vampires sparkle it means get your Farming tools an Murder it to death! Theirs loot afoot!

Comentado por TonyB500

So these guys are glitched now; when Lana'thel raises them, they don't stand up. They just stay as motionless corpses that glide along the floor during the encounter until you defeat them.

Comentado por Moirine

Recently there's been a bit of an odd/terrifying glitch for me. When I aggro the boss, Keleseth is the only boss that stands upright and is properly casting. The other two are staying in the death position, but they still move and cast spells. It's happened so many times to the point where I've grown numb to the terror. Is this happening to anyone else?

Príncipe Valanar

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