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Retribution Paladin: First Impression of the New Retribution Talent Trees in Dragonflight
Dragonflight
Criado
15/8/2022 em 10:00
por
Bolas
With the reveal of the Dragonflight Paladin talent trees, our Retribution Paladin writer Bolas provides initial reactions and thoughts on this revamped system. We break down the Retribution Paladin talent trees, discussing the new talents and providing some sample builds. Join us as we predict how this class could play in Dragonflight!
To learn about the best PvE talent builds in Dragonflight for this class, and export these builds into the game, please check out our Holy, Protection, and Retribution Paladin class guides:
Holy Paladin Talent BuildsProtection Paladin Talent BuildsRetribution Paladin Talent Builds
Paladin Dragonflight Talents
What's New?
Talents in Dragonflight will have a structure more similar to older expansions, where you pick paths down the tree rather than a single option for each row. Retribution has two talent trees, a class one that it shares with Protection and Holy Paladin and a spec tree unique to Retribution. In theory this should provide more customizability, since you can combine any two talents on the tree you want to.
Most of the contents of the Paladin tree are older effects, but there are a couple of noteworthy things that Retribution gains access to:
Julgamento da Luz
- This will provide quite a bit of passive HPS to a raid. It's also on a required path to take throughput traits, so there's little opportunity cost to take it.
Bênção de Proteção Mágica
- Previously a Protection only talent, this replaces
Bênção de Proteção
with a Magic immunity rather than a Physical one. Almost all damage and effects in raids are Magic rather than Physical, so this extra utility will help make Retribution a little bit more useful in raid environments. It can also be used as an extra defensive in a pinch.
Other than those two, all of the other new effects are pretty standard passive effects like
Égide Sagrada
or
Toque da Luz
.
First Impressions
The Paladin tree is actually much more restrictive on choice than it first looks. Firstly, as a DPS you're going to aim to take all the talents that meaningfully increase your throughput that you can. This is what that path looks like:
Spend 6 points to path through
Selo da Diligência
and take
Selo da Represália
.
Spend 7 points to path down to
Égide Sagrada
.
Spend 5 points to path to take
Ira Vingativa
,
Bênção de Proteção
, and
Desígnio Divino
.
Spend 1-2 points to take
Pós-imagem
and/or
Obstinação
in order to get access to the bottom third of the tree.
After these choices, you end up with 0-1 points left over to allocate to utility above the 20 point threshold before you can spend the rest, which most of the time will be spent on
Fidalgo
or
Bênção do Sacrifício
. There are some choices between utility options as you path down, such as between
Bênção da Liberdade
and
Impor as Mãos
, but there isn't a large degree of customization that you'd expect - it's one or two points worth, and only at specific points on the tree. This problem persists at the bottom of the tree. You have 11 points to spend in the bottom, and after spending a point on the effectively mandatory
Ira Vingativa
, you have exactly enough points to get two of the three capstones and associated throughput talents. Again, the only real choice you make here is which capstone you don't want to take - once you decide that, all of your points are locked in.
View on Dragonflight Talent Tree
The problems causing this are the placement of the throughput nodes and the lack of connections between each section of the tree. The throughput talents
Selo da Represália
and
Égide Sagrada
are both more than halfway down the tree and on opposite sides, both requiring points invested from the top of the tree in order to pick them. There's no branching paths to access them earlier. The only connections between each branch of the tree are to the nodes directly below the
Selo da Represália
and
Égide Sagrada
nodes themselves, which becomes meaningless when you would always pick both of them anyway. There's no connections below that either, which isolates the capstones to basically being 5 point talent packages. If the idea with the new class trees is to let players drop some types of utility for others depending on the circumstance, that's fine in theory, but the way this tree is structured you'll end up eschewing almost all utility you can for more damage.
Other than pathing, there's a couple of other things I'm not especially fond of in the tree. A lot of the talent points are spent on extra effects for abilities that you already have that are basically required to play the class, like
Ira Vingativa
or
Julgamento Maior
, which don't feel exciting to take and instead feel like a tax to make your abilities function the same way they used to. Aside from the capstone abilities and
Desígnio Divino
, all of the throughput talents in the Paladin tree are also fairly uninteresting. They're all either straight stat buffs like
Selo da Diligência
or
Selo do Poder
, or they're basic ability buffs or procs like
Selo do Cruzado
or
Selo da Represália
, which also all cost a ton of points to invest in to progress further. I would strongly prefer a tree either without any throughput nodes above the 20 point threshold, or with just a small number that are very easily accessible like all of the other class trees.
On a more positive note, the capstone abilities themselves should be pretty fun to play with.
Do Ocaso à Aurora
was a Legendary effect in Shadowlands that didn't see much use, but would be more fun to play with when the buff you get from it is more significant thanks to
Selo da Ordem
, and providing passive damage reduction is a great bonus too.
Ira Santificada
is the old Protection version of the ability, so while it won't proc AoE damage from spending Holy Power anymore, boosting the power of
Julgamento
inside
Ira Vingativa
is still a nice bonus, especially when combined with
Preço Divino
.
O Paragão Louco
is also a Legendary effect from Shadowlands, but now also extends
Ira Vingativa
with
Julgamento
. My only concern with the capstones is that
Ira Santificada
and
O Paragão Louco
may have too much synergy between them, since they both extend
Ira Vingativa
, benefit from further extensions, and incentivize you to cast
Julgamento
as frequently as possible.
Retribution Dragonflight Talents
What's New?
The majority of talents in the Ret tree are versions of previously existing effects, but there's a couple of noteworthy new effects or surprising returning ones:
Lâmina Consagrada
- Drops
Consagração
when you use
Lâmina da Justiça
after an
Arte da Guerra
reset. Adds a nice AoE component to one of your better Holy Power generators, which helps improve passive cleave a little bit. All of your generators previously only did single target damage, which was a problem on AoE when almost all of your damage would be from
Tempestade Divina
or cooldowns like
Preço Divino
.
Determinação do Algoz
/
Ira do Algoz
-
Determinação do Algoz
extends
Pena de Morte
duration depending on how many
Veredito do Templário
you cast inside it. This is a really interesting way to change the gameplay that
Pena de Morte
revolved around previously - it used to be just trying to fit as much damage as possible into an 8 second window, which meant that there were some fairly significant Haste breakpoints. Now it'll probably be more focused on extending the burst window for longer instead, which will be something new that I expect to both be very fun to figure out sequencing for and also very fun to play with.
Ira do Algoz
instead turns
Pena de Morte
into an AoE ability at the cost of some damage to the primary target. Being able to use
Pena de Morte
more effectively in cleave or AoE situations is an interesting concept, but I'm a bit concerned that it'll be a significant damage loss on the primary target to take this talent.
Decreto Radiante
- A new AoE Holy Power spender that replaces
Rastro de Cinzas
. This ability is a bit weird. It does less damage to the primary target than
Rastro de Cinzas
, but does a lot more to the other enemies hit. I'm a bit skeptical about
Decreto Radiante
being worth using in most situations, since it'll probably be a damage loss in single target situations to take since you lose the Holy Power generation from
Rastro de Cinzas
, but it's an interesting alternative option for AoE.
Exorcismo
- A throwback to an older time. This version of
Exorcismo
does quite a lot of single target damage, but also puts a decent sized DoT on other nearby enemies if the primary target is inside your
Consagração
. It's a nice way to make
Consagração
a little bit more relevant to use on AoE without simply buffing its damage, while also not being an ability that's useless on single target. My only concern with it is that it might be adding yet another button to a spec that already has a lot of rotational abilities, depending on the talent build you use.
Legado Empíreo
- Basically a passive version of
Martelo do Subjugador
. Another option for two target damage or passive cleave is great, but I think it might need to be tuned a bit higher. Necrolord was viable for a bit in Sanctum of Domination for Ret, but it was mostly because with
Martelete Devotado ao Dever
you could save up charges to get 3-4 buffed
Tempestade Divina
s inside each
and
Ajuste de Contas Final
. Just getting regular
Tempestade Divina
procs is good, but it might not be good enough to compete with the other capstone talents at one every 30s. I think this effect is pretty fun to play with though, so I'm happy to see it return as a passive.
O Longo Braço da Lei
- Would have been a nice mobility perk, but was unfortunately removed in the most recent build.
First Impressions
Overall, I'm pretty excited about the Retribution tree. There's a lot of great old favorites coming back along with some new effects that I really like. You'll probably go into Dragonflight feeling like you have as much, if not more, abilities available to you than you did in Shadowlands, which is very unusual for the start of an expansion.
Example Build - Single Target
View on Dragonflight Talent Tree
This build mostly focuses on the same auto attack synergies you see currently used in Shadowlands with
Do Pó ao Pó
, while also taking a bunch of abilities that buff
Veredito do Templário
and
Julgamento
. There's quite a lot of flexibility in the top sections - I took
Justiça Célere
,
Julgamento do Grão-Lorde
, and
Fogos da Justiça
here, but those points could be otherwise spent on
Cruzado Sagrado
or more
Expurgo
synergy, or even
Poder Empíreo
or
Julgamento Irrestrito
for some cleave while maintaining a single target focused build.
Example Build - AoE
View on Dragonflight Talent Tree
This is focusing on full AoE, but for 2-3 target cleave you'd probably take
Legado Empíreo
instead of something like
Santificar
.
Rastro da Verdade
is clearly designed with AoE in mind, but is currently too undertuned to be worth taking.
One of the big chokepoints in the tree is the row of talents that flow into the bottom third - mostly
Mão Incapacitadora
and
Mãos Abençoadas
. Every talent on this row is a utility talent, so it's clearly intended that you need to invest into a non throughput talent in order to get access to the most powerful abilities at the bottom. The problem with this though is that you're now heavily incentivized to just pick one of either
Mão Incapacitadora
or
Mãos Abençoadas
, and none of the other utility talents on the row in order to just get an extra throughput talent earlier on in the tree. Either one you pick you'll get access to
Preço Divino
,
Do Pó ao Pó
, and
Ajuste de Contas Final
, and then the choice just becomes whether you want access to
Inquisidor Incansável
and
Pena de Morte
or
Vindicação do Templário
and
Veredito Final
. It's not fun to be railroaded into capstone choices through the cost of losing throughput earlier on, or to have your utility choice be purely dictated by the throughput you want that's locked behind it.
This iteration of the talent tree definitely has a greater degree of customizability than the previous version. There's more small pockets of talents that clearly are designed to give you the option to focus on certain "builds", like
Expurgo
, which is great. Some of them still seem a bit too strong, and others not accentuated enough though -
Zelo
and
Lâmina da Ira
both being on a basically mandatory path means that you're very likely to want to take
Do Pó ao Pó
and its synergies as well, while
Expurgo
and talents that work with it like
Lâmina da Condenação
seem a bit undertuned and are easily skippable. The recent changes are definitely a step in the right direction, especially at the bottom of the tree, but I think the middle could use some more work to make some of the talents for these builds more interesting and work together in different ways. Talents that are basically different flavors of "buff ability by x%" like
Julgamento do Grão-Lorde
or
Veredito Selado
or even
Selo da Ira
aren't really inspiring new combinations or interesting gameplay.
Cruzada
and
Ira Vingativa: Poder
being moved into the middle of the tree is great, since that's pretty much a required talent to take for every build. However,
Cruzada
is much stronger than
Ira Vingativa: Poder
, since you're basically comparing 20% damage and Crit to 30% damage and Haste. Even with the ramping time,
Cruzada
also has a 5 second longer base duration, so there's really no contest.
Ira Vingativa: Poder
either needs to be replaced and added to baseline
Ira Vingativa
or buffed - one option would be to add the current version of Ret
Ira Santificada
to it, ie.
Decreto da Luz
.
For a last handful of gripes, I really don't like seeing
Consagração
have so many talents that buff it. It's not a fun button to press, since it neither interacts with the building/spending Holy Power gameplay loop nor does enough damage to be worth using outside of that unless everything else is on cooldown - it's basically just a filler button that you feel obligated to press because it does more than 0 damage, similar to how Rogues used to spam
Detecção
when pooling Energy to proc cast effects.
Das Cinzas ao Pó
will probably still be a decent talent at a 35% chance, but there will be many more situations where it either doesn't proc before
Rastro de Cinzas
comes off cooldown or it procs just before it would come off cooldown anyway, which both feel pretty bad.
Lâmina Consagrada
and
Das Cinzas ao Pó
also have some awkward antisynergy since one replaces the chance for the other to proc. It's also disheartening to see
Vingança do Justicar
return, since it's been an awful talent in pretty much every type of content since its inception. A lot of these complaints could be seen as a bit nitpicky, so I want to reiterate that I like the majority of the Ret tree and think most of the recent changes are great, especially in contrast to the Paladin tree - the focus of criticism is just always going to fall on the most obvious flaws.
Retribution Paladin Talents for Dragonflight Raiding - How Strong is it?
Overall, I think Retribution is in a better position than it was in Shadowlands, since you have another tool for either raid utility or a defensive with
Bênção de Proteção Mágica
. I think Ret will still probably be one of the squishiest, if not the squishiest, Melee DPS but at least there's one extra tool available to mitigate that. I think the bigger problem it will have is how it can compete for raid spots, since most of the other melee now also bring raid or party buffs of some kind (Warrior, Demon Hunter, Monk, Assassination and Outlaw Rogue, Enhancement Shaman) or raidwide damage mitigation cooldowns (Warrior, Demon Hunter, Death Knight). Melee spots are usually fairly limited, and since Holy Paladin is basically a locked slot Ret won't get a spot for providing
Aura de Devoção
.
I think there's likely to be a lot more customizability depending on the type of encounter, which is a really nice change. Ret was pigeonholed into running the same talents and Legendaries on almost every fight in Shadowlands once you were locked into a build, but in Dragonflight I think you'll end up choosing between a much wider range of talents depending on the situation. For example, if it's a single target fight but will frequently have waves of add spawns, you could decide to take
Poder Empíreo
and
Tormenta do Arauto da Luz
in addition to talents that are more single target focused like
Veredito Íntegro
. Rather than just swapping between a "Best Single Target" and "Best AoE" build, or even just a "Best Every Situation" build, I think there's more likely to be a lot of smaller adjustments you can make on a per fight basis.
Final Thoughts
I think there's a lot of abilities here that will be very fun to play with, both returning and brand new. There's a lot of powerful combinations that you couldn't previously have, and you get to have a ton of them at the same time. That said, I don't think either tree does much to address the fundamental issues Ret has had recently with either survivability or even getting a raid spot to begin with. I hope to see these issues properly addressed in future builds and the structure of the Paladin tree iterated upon as well.
Interested in playing Retribution Paladin now? Check our out live guide for this spec!
Retribution Paladin Guide
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