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Comentário de Calcitrant

Provides you with a choice of up to 3 schematics to learn.

you get the notes from scrapping other schematics as well as the green items picked up from scrapping

Comentário de Mithim

If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Comentário de Qoko

If you want to max your Pilha de Sucata Enferrujada yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Vasculhar a Sucata. This sort of makes sense, but Desmontar Invenção also gives about 15 Pilha de Sucata Enferrujada on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Desmontar Invenção takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Vasculhar a Sucata will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Cápsula de Fuga com Defeito: Inventar and Vasculhar a Sucata give me Protótipo: Cápsula de Fuga com Defeito consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Protótipo Irreconhecível that you can Desmontar Invenção at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Comentário de lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Comentário de selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Vasculhar a Sucata, taught by their profession trainer.
Vasculhar a Sucata will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Inventar, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Desmontar Invenção can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Protótipo Irreconhecível), generating up to 10 Pilha de Sucata Enferrujada and Anotações Escritas às Pressas.
Anotações Escritas às Pressas create Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Vasculhar a Sucata, Inventar, and Desmontar Invenção.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Protótipo Irreconhecível, they directly receive Anotações Escritas às Pressas.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Desmontar Invenção ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Inventar also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Anotações Escritas às Pressas (not recyclable), Vasculhar a Sucata becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível , you will cease to receive Anotações Escritas às Pressas completely.
Vasculhar a Sucata will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Inventar will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Vasculhar a Sucata: 8
Discovery - Inventar Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Desmontar Invenção!

Discovery from Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível.
Discovery Requirement - Goggles: 4
Discovery Requirement - Profession Gear: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracers: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

Comentário de Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

Comentário de Eillesthis

Pilha de Sucata Enferrujada > Vasculhar a Sucata, or Inventar (better) > Prototypes you can use to learn, or... > Desmontar Invenção > more scrap and Anotações Escritas às Pressas > Ideias Organizadas de Forma Compreensível > pick one of three schematics to learn

There are 14 prototypes, plus the Protótipo Irreconhecível which can be turned into one of the fourteen. Once you've learned all 14, Scour Through Scrap/Invent goes straight to Hastily Scrawled Notes.

Comentário de Chaugernaut

i just noticed today i was getting instead of the soulbound one. those are warbounds so im guessing since i have nothing new to learn its a way to help alts learn recipe faster ?

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