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Postado por Aurran

I have said most of my views on this on the first page, however here's my opinion:

Twinks were a community in itself. There are guides online providing details on how to twink your character. Everyone knew a twink when they saw one.

If roleplaying were my thing, I could go play on a RP server.
If PvP is my thing, obviously, I roll on a PvP server.
And if I just like the Tank n Spank lifestyle, I'd choose a "normal" server.

Blizzard completely cut out the Twink community. The RPers still get their area, there's new raids added with new patches. PvP is pretty much staying the same (with the exception of the newer battlegrounds).

This is not to say I am confusing the Twink and the PvP community. But why do the Twinks get the short end? The 80 PvPers got their new BGs, new arenas, you name it. The twinks, got crippled. We went from having fun (regardless of your purpose in twinking), whether we were enjoying being at the top of the food chain and picking off the weak, or taking a challenge and fighting other twinks. Our time was rewarded with fun. Now, our time is rewarded with exactly that. Time. Time spent waiting in an endless queue, up to hours at a time, for one measly 25 minute bg.

I'm not saying the exp in BG is a bad idea, but there are some setbacks.

How I would have done it:
1. Experience is gained in BG.
2. You can pay 10g to turn off experience gains.
3. Exp on/off players queue together, play together.
4. You don't like getting owned, don't worry, soon you'll level out of that bracket, and you'll come out with some honor and marks as well.

OR

1. Experience is gained in BG.
2. You can pay 10g to turn off experience gains.
3. Players with experience enabled queue as normal, in their battlegroups.
4. Players with experience gains disabled queue, but are placed into a queue with players across ALL servers. Not just the ones in their battlegroup.

With either of these, both parties come out on top.

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Postado por Aurran

1. Experience is gained in BG.
2. You can pay 10g to turn off experience gains.
3. Exp on/off players queue together, play together.
4. You don't like getting owned, don't worry, soon you'll level out of that bracket, and you'll come out with some honor and marks as well.

OR

1. Experience is gained in BG.
2. You can pay 10g to turn off experience gains.
3. Players with experience enabled queue as normal, in their battlegroups.
4. Players with experience gains disabled queue, but are placed into a queue with players across ALL servers. Not just the ones in their battlegroup.

With either of these, ~~both parties come out on top.~~ I can beat up lowbies again (it makes me feel like a man)

You seem to have missed the point that many players made so passionately here: twinks are the equivalent of cheat codes. Does anyone ever really enjoy being crushed flat in three seconds by a player that he had absolutely no chance of ever beating, no matter how skilled he is, or how brain dead the cheater is?

Now obviously, PvP playing almost always comes with your enjoyment at the cost of others' enjoyment. Twinks completely eliminated the need for skill, regardless of the issue of whether skill is present or not, and playing as one against lowbies degrades you. Twinks never belonged in the same battleground with normal players, and blizzard had let it go long enough. They realized that if they want the new players come cataclysm to enjoy WoW thoroughly, nothing needs to seem obesely out of proportion or unfair in the beginning levels. Because Cataclysm will be all about the reworking of how leveling happens, they finally paid some attention to an issue that's been around for too long.

Above paragraph is in response to your first suggestion. I feel dumber already for having read how you would destroy blizzard's brilliant plan for your own enjoyment, and to regain that sense of elitism you must have had by crushing players too low stat-wise to even compete with you.

It would cause too much strain on servers to connect all the battlegroups just so that the 500 or so twinks can play more often. For the other 11,999,500 WoW players there would be more lag and lower FPS, which is an unacceptable price. This is my response to the idea that we should connect all the battlegroups. The battlegroups are designed to be separate, because connecting them would, aside from server strain, cause you to often play people from very far away places, making it seem to each as if the other were facing extreme lag, jumping around all over and being unhittable, not unlike the addon right now that forces you to lag in that way.

Why would you want to break and recreate a system made by blizzard that already works perfectly in the first place? The system in place separates twinks and non-twinks, gives battleground experience, and even makes twinking easier. The one you suggest would remove the separation between twinks and non-twinks, and the only motivation I can see for doing that is so you can play against non-twinks again. You had your fun for long enough, and now the charade is up. You can live with it, or you can complain, but all your whining and crying is going to ever do is get non-twinks angry at you.

/rant

You seem to have merely skimmed over, or you would see that I initially said I prefer playing against other twinks.

How about the time invested, and the skill to play effectively against other twinks? Both I mentioned earlier, bringing us back to the first point.

You feel dumber having read my idea? You must be drooling and retrieving a helmet after typing such a response, then. It's starting to look like the twink-hating community is harder to reason with than Southern Christians, lol. I'm seeking an alternative that pleases EVERYONE, not where you or I get the good end and the other side just deals with it. That's how it's been for a while now, and it's time things changed, if Blizzard hopes to see their population increase rather than decrease.

Postado por leuitinet

Lokatum, you are in a state of madness... You make it seem like your twinks cant pvp, because you turn exp off. Idk how many times ive said this... There are more ways than the BGs to pvp, but you have to risk ur neck to do it. Idk why you insist on sayin Blizz ruined ur pvp lifestyle. Everyone that has posted against you has proven that, 1. You can still Q for the BGs. Yes it takes longer, but you can still do it. 2. As Genericusername stated, the BGs seem to have a sense of fairness. And 3. Also as Genericusername stated, and this is probably a smart move for Blizz, Cataclysm will change many things, and should it bring new players, those players should be able to expierence all of wow, in a seemingly balanced enviroment. Stop being a selfish ~~#$%^&*!~~ and think of those that dont have the luxuries that you do. Those that dont have the play time that u might, so they cant get all the uber gear. Those that want to cap max lvl, and get little time to do the BGs. If you want to be that kind of person that thinks cuz one of their toons play stylesm where screwed and is gonna whine and throw a fit, thats fine, but dont try to come up with lame excuses about how Blizz messed things up. If u dont like the fact that your twinks have to wait hours for the BGs, than here are a few suggestions:

1.Cap ur twink. You say that one AV will lvl ur twink. That means that it's in the 50-59 bracket. Ur about 80% from capping the toon, and since you're 'being forced to lvl', why not cap the twink, and pvp at 80?

2. Delete the twink. If you think that ur twinks lifespan is over and its lost all its meaning, than delete the twink. Sell everything it has equipped, in its bags, and the bags them-selves, mail the money to ur main, delete it and call it a day.

3. Find another use for ur twink. If you're tired of waiting for ur twinks BG's to start, than do something else with it. Go farm with its professions, or help lowbies with dungeons, or something like that. Twinks are good for other things besides PvP.

4. World PvP. This may be a thought that scares you, cuz that means u have to flag ur-self. Ive given this scenerio once before.

There lokatum. You now have 4 options that apply to ur situtation. Hell it applies to everyone that stopped when Exp BGs went live. Stop ur crying and suck it up cupcake

As for Aurrans post. I agree that there is some way that everyone can win, but I dont think Blizz will lose pop due to the seperation. If ppl stop playing cuz they cant steamroll under-geared and low end players, they need lots of help. There are so many other ways to get the honor they want. Yes, the BG's are faster, but thats not why they twink remember? Most twink to smash low end and under-geared player. They can fulfill that need by means of world pvp... At the cost of their own hides, but thats not the point. I think ur right in thinking there is a way that everyone can benefit, but the seperation of twinks and non-twinks, completes the wow experience, sorta speak. Non-twinks can now play wow like it was before twinking came along. Where ur skill in playin ur toon, meant just as much as ur gear.

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Ok lakotum, I see one big flaw in ur thinking... NOT EVERYONE HAS THE RESOURCES! I'll humor you, most 'toons' are made with the help of ur friends and/or guildmates. There are many players that want a 'toon' but lack the resources. I'll give you props on one thing, and thats in the point ur right on find the gear and the chants. thats the ez part. Im hoping that you realize that most ppl dont 'toon' till after they have capped their professions, and have found a nice cash flow so they can play the AH for gear, run the dungeons, and pay for the chants all at one time. Not many players will start the idea for a 'toon', im humoring you not adpoting ur ignorance, without having capped proffessions. that money could go to useful mats, instead of filling a chanters pockets.

Next. Ur idea of 'toons' being heros. In the beginning, yes twinks were heros. They could come into a 2-0 WSG, or a 4-1 AB, and make a come back. The more 'toons' that were born, the hero status was lost. It was corrputed. Like the Ashbringer. It was a beacon of hope, and when its power was abused it only left death and woe in its wake. Yes i just compared twinking to a Legendary Weapon. At one time they were heros, but as time past they became a plauge that consumed the BG's

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Postado por leuitinet

Read the manual. Skill up your character get some addons and learn to play.

You tell me that I dont need to tell others how to play. I respect how other wish to play their charaters. I dont respect ppl who think an injustice has been done, in an attempt to balance the game. I've respected ur views this whole debate, and telling my posts have no merit is disrespectful to me, so dont sit there and preach respect to me. Ive even given gone out of my way and said you made a point. twinks=hero... That was long ago, but a good point none-the-less. As for my 'rubbish' options. Those are my opinions, and I ask that u respect them. I've not shot down ur opinions on how nto deal with the seperation, now have I? No. So, before you think ur better than me, or question my way of thinking, think before you post. Others have posted against you, and said what I have, just not using my words. Dont think im disrespecting you, or ur ideas. You think a great injustice has occured due to the fact ur twinks have to wait hours upon hours for a BG. Or that twinks wont ever be able to pvp again. Its not ur style of game play i question, or ur ideas on how to 'solve the problem'. I'm simply debating with you. Just like Red did. Just like Genericusername did. Aurran, is a nuetral, party and has made point for both sides. Ive a twink of my own, and am planning many more, and honestly im looking forward to all twink BGs. Ur reasons for twinking are ur own, and I respect that, and MY reasons are my own, so i ask that you return the favor, and respect mine.

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Postado por leuitinet

Well tahts a great idea. A survey to find what ppl think should be done. Thats for blizz to do. I agree that just dropping the Exp BGs without so much as a warning, was a bad idea. But that's a flaw of Blizzard. Ur right this is a pvp forum, and the topic of disscussion was twinks and Exp BGs. We all have our opinions, but we also have to look at why Blizz did what they did. The 'heros', as you like to call the, became too many, and very OP. It effected game play. How? If one was to grow tired of questing, playin the AH, ect, where can they go to have some fun? the BGs. Well, most players dont look at the BGs as a completely different world in the game. I dont think a survey of experienced pvpers, or end game beginners would be good enough. Exp BGs was put in place for those that dont have the resources to twink, or are new to the BGs. Ive seen posts from ppl who have never pvped and they are wanting some info. It wouldnt be right to tell them 'yeah pvp is great. Its high octane, and a great break from questing' and exclude twinks. They go in the BGs and wind up in the GY most of the time. This doesnt sound like what ppl told them. They spend less time in the game cuz they want a break from PvE, but the dont want to get WTFPWNd in the BGs. With the Seperation live, it allows ppl to ease into pvp. Yeah they may get smashed, but they are able to put up a fight. They die and think 'I almost had em. I'll get them next time' Unlike being killed by a twink thinking 'damn it, i did everything i could and they still over 50% life' Ya gotta see the seperation as a way of letting everyone explore and enjoy the game.

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Postado por leuitinet

Odds are you'll come back to see if someone posted in regards to what u said. I agree that there should be some kind of survey. And since you seem to have the idea vividly in ur mind, how bout you make the survey and post it. see what ppl in this community have to say. here ill start by answering the ?s you've alrdy asked.

1. Should twinks be allowed to play in the BGs? Yes. Thats where they were born.

2. Should there be Exp in the BGs? Yes. The BGs provide a break from questing, but at the same time takes from the exp they could be getting. No one will argue with gettin Exp while running round having a good time. the only issue is that Exp BGs are a bane on twinks. So twinks dont Q for BGs. The seperation was made, IMO, to put twinks together.

3. How many twinks? That depends on each player. Some dont have the resources on hand to make them in an instant, while others do.

There lakotum, ive answered ur survey. Now its up to you to finish it

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Postado por leuitinet

Genericusername I share ur POV. Yes, i made an attempt to see his POV but i still stand by my posts. Those twinks that want to steamroll lowbies, dont need to be in the same BGs as 'honest' twinks and non-twinks. 'Honest twinks now have that chance to fight other twinks. Im sure they dont mind the wait. Im mean theres many ways to pass the time. Non-twinks in Exp BGs have their own style of play too. Yes those at *7-*9 will be the most dominate, but its still more balanced.

I look at it this way. BGs are like Magic: The Gathering. As each new set comes in, the Uber combos are rotated out and the new up and coming combos rotate in. in other words, With Exp BG=type 2 MTG, the older more powerful sets (high end bracket player) will rotate out into the next bracket, allowing the new set (mid and low bracket players) to rise up. The seperation is like the other formats of play. Type 1, vintage, ect, where all the uber combos are legal. Seperation=Type1, vintage, ect.

I hope that comparison helps

Postado por leuitinet

Ok you question how i play the game. Yes my hunter may seem a lil under geared for 74, BUT thats my choice. Its my, how did you put it.... FREEDOM to play him as i see fit. My druid is weak, gear wise, but thats due to the fact i used the recruit a friend exp boost and took him to 59 without regaurding his gear. Now that im in OL, my gear will improve greatly. I dont question ur main and other toons. I question ur view on the twink issue. AND, even though you dont realize it, I annswered the questions you posed, one of my recent posts. You say Im ignorant, but that shows urs. You dont know me, or my style of playing. So plz do me a favor, dont question what you dont know. It dont look good on you. Ive not once questioned ur methods, of how you play ur toons. I only debated ur ideas with my own. IMO you miss stomping non-twinks, and IMO the seperation is the antidote to that stomping. It places you in a lvled BG and thats not what you want. Its not fun for you anymore. So im sry if you feel wronged, and yes blizz should have gotten feed back from the population of is players, but they did what they thought was right. Thats the bottom line

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