Is Varian Wrynn the de facto leader of the Alliance?

Postado por Adamsm

And... that's what this is all about... your f-ing kidding right? Your still $%^&ed that for my storyline I killed Varian... dude grow up.

You do realize on a lot of these threads I put in positive things for Varian, but I also don't cover up his flaws, and he does have big ones; same as any leader in world of Warcraft. No one is perfect, no one is the ultimate engine of pure holy Light, not even Velen.

The OP for this thread asked if Varian was the Allliance Warchief, and he was told no. That's it. Your the one acting like were attacking you personally. While news flash Dark: YOUR NOT VARIAN WYRNN! Seriously, chill the hell out already.

Varian is only the leader of the Stormwind humans. The Theramore humans follow Jaina, the Gilenas ones follow Genn, the Stromguarde follow Galen and so on and so forth.

Blizzard is trying to get the war back in WARcraft so Varian has magically(literally) reappeared to restart a war that has been over for almost 2 decades, and Garrosh is his other half.

Would the other races follow him? Only if it was obvious there was a true reason to, otherwise they just smile and nod and hope the other human leaders keep him in check.That was my first post in the thread, and no where did I insult Varian, I merely said the truth; right now, as he is, he and Garrosh are clone of each other to start up the War in Warcraft.

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Postado por Adamsm

Well, back to topic, Varian does not hold as much power in the Alliance as Thrall does for the Horde, but he has got to be at least one of the highest ranking leaders, if not the highest.Hm, from the actual Alliance page, I'd say no. All the leaders are more or less the same ranking.

This is about how you claim to like him but never act like it.
What is it you like about him? Can you answer that?So, to prove I like him, I have to be like you? Pretend to be him, and pretend he has no flaws? Sorry no.

What I like About Varian:
Strong-willed
Intelligent
Cares about his people
Cares about his family

What I dislike about Varian:
Can't let go of the Past.
Won't accept the truth about certain things.
Believes he's right about everything.
Thinks murder is fine, as long as it's done as revenge.
Want's a war, even thought he lived through the First and Second and knows what that will do to his people.

As I've said, many a times; the way Varian is right now, is idiotic, it's not the Varian we saw with Lothar and Turaylon. This new one is a massive ret-con of pure crap, I want the old back, the one who actually thought things through rather then thinking every plan should be solved with a sword.

Like I said Dark; No one in Warcraft is perfect, not even Thrall.

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Postado por Adamsm

Like I said Dark; No one in Warcraft is perfect, not even Thrall.

You forgot the Naaru =D.

Anyways, both Garrosh and Varian, "The Leaders who will trigger the Fourth War", are full of flaws. Kisirani said things about Garrosh, I hope both of them get in line soon.Heh, I guess the Naaru are the only perfect beings Delt, and I agree completely with the second part.

Just in case anyone is wondering, I am resting my case on this thread.

Right.....

Because you lost heh.

Postado por Patty

And here you go again, saying everyone is a better leader then Varian just because you loathe him...So your saying Greymane, who was in the 2nd War, and has been fighting the Worgen curse for the last two decades, isn't a more experienced leader then Varian who has had relative peace in the south?

I never said he is a better leader then Varian. I don't see that anywhere. Wtf is up with you?

May want to re-read it.

You also said this
saying everyone is a better leader then Varian just because you loathe him...Genn falls into the category of everyone, surprisingly!

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Postado por Skreeran

Can't see why...

The only thing he's done so far is be a massive !@#$%^, spit in Terenas' face (figuratively), and support orc genocide.

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Postado por Skreeran

Well, I would also support her shoving her quiver up there, but for a different reason methinks.

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Postado por R1TeR

Well, I would also support her shoving her quiver up there, but for a different reason methinks.

Yeah what he said LOL

Postado por Rankkor

for the last time darkton, if varian shows up at exodar and says to velen

"yo vel what's up bro' look, I need some vindicators to reinforce an upcoming campaign against those orcs, we're gonna hit one of their major outposts, if it's war they want, it's a war they will get, so do be nice and send me a full regiment of anchorites and vindicators ok?"

is velen FORCED to do as he said? nope he aint.

varian can ask, and velen can refuse, varian aint the boss of velen, or the draenei for that matter.

if varian shows up at darnassus goes to the temple of the moon and says "hey tyrannde, how u doing? look, our archer division has suffered some losses on these past days, damn orc savages..... so , I want a full batallion of your best sentinels armed and ready, and do make sure they are ready on time, I don't want anyone showing up late, ok?

is tyrande FORCED to do as he said? no she aint

varian can ask, and if she wants to tyrande can refuse, varian aint the boss of tyrande, or the night elves for that matter.

(rince and repeat for the other alliance races)

all varian can do is ask, and if the other leaders agree, then they lend their aid.

if Tyrande out of her own will sends a squad of sentinels and puts them under varian's comand, then they obey varian's orders, but that's because tyrande ordered them to obey varian.

however, if varian orders these sentinels to so something that goes against the interests of night-elven society, these sentinels can refuse to obey.

on the horde however, if thrall goes to the undercity and says "hey sylvanas, what's up? look, that whole blight thing got out of hand, I want no more blight being developed, is that clear?"

is sylvannas FORCED to obey? yup she is, and gods have mercy if she goes behind his back and disobeys him.

at best she can ask nicely that the warchief belays that order, but if the warchief's word is final, then it's final.

if thrall goes to silvermoon, and asks loth'emar "hey loth, wazzaaap, look, our grunts are suffering a few pushbacks, I need you to send some blood-knights to back them up"

is loth'emar FORCED to obey? yup yup, he is, the word of the warchief is the law.

get it togheter man , varian cannot order arround the other alliance leaders, he can ask, and the other leaders can choose to either grant what he asks, or not, really.

the best example I can give you is this, varian ORDERED jaina to give garona to him for execution, but hey hey hey, vindicator maraad showed up and rescued her, and yet jaina didn't arrested maraad, nor will she give maraad to varian in garona's place (even when after helping her escape maraad efectively became an acomplice to break the law, he helped a prisoner escape)

did jaina handed maraad to varian? nope, is varian in any position to DEMAND maraad's head? nope.

the alliance works diferently than the horde dude, accept it or live on denial.

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Postado por Rankkor

about frankie (darkton) pretending to be varian, I wrote a note about it on varian's thread (wich he ignored completely, and to this day hasn't responded the lore question placed there, I'm guessing refusing to answer is the same as admiting defeat)

OMG skreeran LONG LIVE SAURFANG!

i may loose some points of maturity for saying this, but........... SUCK ON THAT VARIAN LOVERS!.

We had a agreement to stop bashing EACH OTHER, what happend to that?

you know how this is called? being a stuck up daddy's boy, and there is the dillema, of why I think this chin.dude it's the worst king in the history of kings.

Your the worest debater in the histroy of debaters.

And your- aw whats the use, we all know your trolling. Its nothing new.

easy to taunt, easy to provoke, easy to trick, easy to manipulate, easy to anger, and prone to make hasty judgement without having the facts togheter,

Having fun wrighting your self-personality sheet there?

I know better.

You just made my day, I can not stop laughing XXXXXDDDD

erm, ok I may be wrong about this Franke but is your name Varian Wrynn? Are YOU the king of stormwind, Son of Lane wyrnn? father of anduin wrynn, and devoted husband of Tilffin? I don't think so.

so, I ask of you, is your love for him gone so far that you actually believe yourself to be him? so that every insult trown at him you automatically take it to you? are you really that out of touch with reality?

if that's the case, then that's not my fault and I'm deeply sorry pal, but if u read my post not a single time, not a single one I said anything inflamatory against you.

I bashed varian, as far as I know bashing fake characters that happen to be just ink and pixels is allowed.

Let's make one thing very clear, there is no such person called Varian Wrynn in real life, he's a FAKE character from a videogame and a comic-book, just a bunch of pixels and ink, nothing more nothing less, and there is no crime in insulting ink and pixels, I got as much freedom as I want to if I wanna insult varian as long as I keep a decent language and avoid stuff like the "F" word, and what none of us is allowed to do is to bash and insult the users, wich happen to be living breathing human beings, not fake pixels and ink, but actual persons with feelings and self-esteem, like you and me, it is these whom none are allowed to bash, the users, the ones who can feel the bashings.

Having made that clear, now I ask of you to read my previous post, and I mean REALLY read my post, and then consider this: did I mentioned the word "darkton"? did I mentioned your real name? did I trolled you in any way?

the answer is no, I did not.

I was simply doing the good'ol rubbing in your face that your beloved king, whom you picture as a messiah for humanity, is actually the instigator of the dreaded fourth war, and that in icecrown it is the horde who act noble against a common foe, and it's varian the one who can't and wont' let go of the past.

however if u actually got to the point where you believe yourself to be varian and take every insult adressed to him as if it was adressed to you, then my advise to you is to lay off wow for a while before it gets out of hand.

aslo you ignored my point on varian getting angry of a horde member doing a false acusation when he himself did the same crime and got away with it.

since you were so kind to ignore it, I'll copy&paste it, just for clarity sake.

this dialog marks just how narrowminded varian is:

aparently he has the right to make any acusation he wishes against the horde, without any kind of proof to prove he's right.

but when a horde member in the trial of the crusader does the same

Treacherous Alliance dogs! You summon a demon lord against warriors of the Horde! Your deaths will be swift!

aparently he feels offended.

Our honor has been besmirched! They make wild claims and false accusations against us. I demand justice!

I believe that he believes that he IS allowed to make wild claims and false acusations (such as atempted assassination on a peace meeting just because one of the assassins was an orc) but the horde is not allowed to do the same (acuse the alliance of consorting with demons to exterminate the horde, just because that idiot fizzlebang was a gnome)

what do you say to that? nothing, u got nothing to wield against this, so instead of taking it like a man, you go all victim mode and go all like "you are trolling me, I won't waste time on you, shame on you shame on you"

for heavens sake lad, take defeats like a man would ya?

what's the matter? cant make anything solid to debate that? heck I even provided a comic page to prove my point.

Postado por taurenmoo812

The OP for this thread asked if Varian was the Allliance Warchief, and he was told no. That's it. Your the one acting like were attacking you personally. While news flash Dark: YOUR NOT VARIAN WYRNN! Seriously, chill the hell out already

Of course dark believes he's Varian, its like when I was a child and watched transformers when it was first on, I wanted to pretend to be optimus prime. The difference being I stopped pretending to be optimus prime.

That is the final straw, I am going to see to it you get banned.

Given your constant agroing of other posters on these threads, Adam, Skreeran, Patty and myself, theres more reason to call for a ban for you. Most threads can be quite pleasent.. until it involves your Varian obsession and then it breaks down.

Do that and I call for the same thing for you Dark. Maybe you should follow Adams advise and just chill out for once.

Postado por Rankkor

The OP for this thread asked if Varian was the Allliance Warchief, and he was told no. That's it. Your the one acting like were attacking you personally. While news flash Dark: YOUR NOT VARIAN WYRNN! Seriously, chill the hell out already

Of course dark believes he's Varian, its like when I was a child and watched transformers when it was first on, I wanted to pretend to be optimus prime. The difference being I stopped pretending to be optimus prime.

That is the final straw, I am going to see to it you get banned.

hate to break it to ya bro' but as far as general opinion about users go in this forum, plp see you as the most likely candidate to get a ban.

I keep tabs u know? out of your 600 posts, there are well over 120 yup 120 that you use SERIUOS insults against everyone, horde fans, alliance fans anyone and everyone who doesn't 100% agrees with you.

whats' worst is that out of those 120 posts, on only 10 u've apologized, on the other 110 u've used the "I'm joking" excuse that NOBODY is swallowing.

so don't talk about getting someone banned bro'.

Is Varian Wrynn the de facto leader of the Alliance?

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