Is it fair to use PvE gear in PvP?

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Postado por TheMediator

I don't think you get what I'm saying at all. Blizzard shouldn't have something that you need to spend a, keyword here because obviously you think that professions are the same thing as poop socking, *ridiculous* amount of time for such a benefit in the game. I don't blame people for getting themselves an advantage, I blame blizzard for having something stupid like that in the game.

So you want everything in the game to be easy to get so everyone's rewarded for doing nothing?

Easy to get? If easy to get means you don't have to raid, yeah, I guess I want the best PvP rewards to be "easy to get". What's the problem with that?

Because that's not how these games work. Have you ever played an MMO before? Let me guess, you started in WOTLK?

As a poster before said, if you want a fair fight, go play an FPS.Maybe the gear > skill arguement does hold water at certain levels but guess what, skill + gear > skill.

I had played since release off and on. Quit when I realized there was no way to get epic battlegrounds gear without pooping in a sock in the old PvP system, came back at BC, quit when glaive rogues started dominating the arena, came back at WOTLK, quit WOTLK pretty early because resilience was crap, and will likely quit WoW if I do come back for cataclysm if something makes it not possible to dominate without raiding. Oh, and I do play FPSs. I haven't played WoW in months. lol.

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Postado por TheMediator

First off, I'm not complaining... if blizzard is going to be stupid, I just will continue not playing the game. Second, how does quitting somehow impair my ability to say that something is stupid? Hell, it seems to further my argument, if a high end PvPer quits the game because of war glaives, then there is something wrong with glaives and equivalent items.

The point is that you could've PVEd and went for the warglaives too, but you didn't, so that's why you complained. You have a "he has it so why can't I" mentality, even if the person that has it put in much more effort than you to get it.

Warcraft is a PVE game with a PVP element. You can chose to be successful in only PVP, but you won't be as good as if you were successful in both. That's the rub. What if the warglaves were PVP gear but also extremely hard to get? You wouldn't like that either. Would you rather everyone who logged in had warglaives? If so, then I'm afraid this probably isn't the game for you.

I didn't complain, I left the game. It isn't a he has it so why can't I have it issue, it was an issue of "I win what I do, and I don't raid, so if I can't win without raiding, then I won't play".

Postado por Synectics

if blizzard is going to be stupid,
In your opinion. :P

This whole thing is getting blown completely out of proportion. As it's been pointed out, very few players can even get Shadowmourne. The ones that do are hardcore PvE raiders. If someone walks into an arena match with Shadowmourne, chances are they are already one of the best players to be playing the game. They REALLY care. Even in equal gear, unless you are on their skill level, they're going to stomp you.

Complaining that a very tiny percentage of players have this item is missing the point entirely. Very few players have it, and the ones that do (more than likely) deserve it and earned it. You're a Jedi. They're Yoda.

As to the original argument -- as has been pointed out, PvE trinkets (and like items) sacrifice survivability for more nuking. It's a trade-off. One is not better than the other. Complaining about PvE trinkets is like complaining about players that stack Strength gems instead of Resilience gems.

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Hell, it seems to further my argument, if a high end PvPer quits the game because of war glaives, then there is something wrong with glaives and equivalent items.

Skill > Gear, l2p.

Postado por Synectics

Me and my friends have this convo a lot. I've always suggested that res should just give a flat increase to the damage you deal vs other players

That's a pretty interesting concept. It would make Resilience the most desirable stat on PvP gear certainly, and could perhaps afford more item budget to Stamina to make up for the boosted amount of DPS that players will do to each other -- this is assuming that they still place Crit, Haste, etc. on PvP gear.

Resilience wouldn't even need to give a huge amount of damage increase. Just enough that it's desirable, and have the same gear that gives Resilience also have a high amount of Stamina to compensate. Then, there would be no reason to use PvE gear, because you'll both be doing less damage to players, and have a much smaller health pool.

It would just take some good number crunching to make sure that Resilience doesn't suffer the same effect as Armor Penetration did.

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Postado por TheMediator

your understanding of top tier arenas-

I find it laughable

5s was basically a brawl in TBC. 3s a little less so, but except for few combinations, once most of the cooldowns were blown and both teams were still standing, it was basically a brawl with some kiting, interrupts, and a spike attempt here and there, with the main goal to OOM the enemy healer, and that went up to like 2.2k (which was pretty high back then... the highest guys were like 2350-2400 maybe).

loved this one, if anything this denial proves my point

"I could get 2.2k if it weren't for that damn LEGENDARY!"

Except that when you raped season two and early season three and then all of a sudden your win/loss ratio against most teams with rogues was cut in half or more... ummm, yeah. I don't think rogues all of a sudden got more skilled once war glaives and then 4/5 4/8 rogues started showing up.

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Postado por TheMediator

I don't know if my BC aged QQ is irrelevant if certain PvE gear is strong in the arenas again. I sincerely, sincerely doubt that it is or will ever get as bad as it had been... but it is still the concept of this coming up again, with blizzard still not having learned from that is why it has my attention.

By the way, I played a resto shaman for the majority of BC, take that however you want (bloodlust was overpowered in 5s, but not enough to carry me as far as I was able to go, in my opinion).

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Postado por TheMediator

First off, I'm not complaining... if blizzard is going to be stupid, I just will continue not playing the game. Second, how does quitting somehow impair my ability to say that something is stupid? Hell, it seems to further my argument, if a high end PvPer quits the game because of war glaives, then there is something wrong with glaives and equivalent items.

How can you consider yourself a high end PvPer if you just quit every time a season goes bad for you?
Seems to me like you stepped into arena and got dominated at high-end brackets and quit for an expansion and then the process just repeats itself.

Since you haven't played it months, you likely have no idea what the game is like now, or have any clue as to what the last season's PvP was like, so you really don't have much useful input in this discussion at all. Hell, you probably have no idea what half the gear people are talking about here (ICC gear) is.

If a season goes bad for me, it is because blizzard screwed something up one way or another. If something is broken, instead of just whining like a #$%^& and still paying for something I'm not enjoying, I'm going to leave until it is fixed. People like you seem to suggest that people "suck it up or leave" all the time, and yet you seem to be surprised when someone actually does leave.

And I don't know what last season's PvP was like, but I see people here posting about shadowmourne, so it seems pretty clear to me based on what I've seen in the past that blizzard really hasn't learned too much. By the way, I know what shadowmourne is, we're on wowhead.

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Postado por Synectics

If a season goes bad for me, it is because blizzard screwed something up one way or another.

wat.

Beat me to it. That sentence pretty much sums up the mentality of the FOTM crowd.

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