The Big Haranir Revelation - Does It Make Sense?

Posted 5 hr 41 min ago by Portergauge

Generations upon generations ago, we haranir stalked the forests of the world above, until we heard the call of our goddess.
Seeking her warmth some left the forest behind, vanishing deep within the sacred hollows of the world.
But many haranir remained above.
And over time, they changed, splintering apart as millennia passed, giving rise to mighty empires and terrible wars, fought by those who had forgotten they had ever been one people at all.
But here we are, together -- Elves, Trolls, and Haranir. We are all the descendants of one lineage. We are, in essence, one people, and now we can be so once again.What We Knew Priordidn't we already know this?Little is known about the night elves' precise origins, for their race was formed so long ago that no hard evidence has surfaced to prove or invalidate this theory. All that is known for certain is that a tribe of nocturnal humanoids came to live on the shores of the first Well of Eternity, and the Well's cosmic energies changed them into the night elves we know today.

Certainly many trolls do believe that the humanoids who developed into the night elf race were trolls. The theory does have some credibility, for there is at least a superficial physical resemblance between trolls and night elves. Furthermore, the troll race dominated much of ancient Kalimdor--the only continent on Azeroth before the Great Sundering--long before the night elves came into power.

Nevertheless, many night elves find this theory preposterous and abhorrent. They are quick to point out that the first night elves began their rise to power by defeating a number of nearby troll tribes. As a consequence, the trolls came to fear and respect the might of their new rivals. The troll theory of night elf ancestry may have been a direct result of this early conflict. The trolls hated the night elves--a sentiment that persists to this day--and may have wished to marginalize the night elf race and its accomplishments. Also, attributing the night elf race with a troll heritage likely helped the trolls come to terms with their own shocking defeat.

Without additional data, there is little point in debating the merits of this controversial theory. No doubt it will remain a matter of contention for years to come.World of Warcraft: The MagazinemoreChronicleBefore their war with the aqir, the troll tribes claimed large swaths of Kalimdor. Many of these groups, such as the Gurubashi and the Amani, clashed with each other over hunting grounds and territory. Yet one tribe was unconcerned with these battles for land and power. Known as dark trolls, they lived in a network of deep caverns that stretched beneath Mount Hyjal. They abhorred daylight, only emerging from their underground burrows at night. The dark trolls’ nocturnal habits changed them over time, turning their blue-hued skin into shades of gray.

The dark trolls cherished their independence from greater troll society, and they largely ignored the activities of other tribes. Unlike their Gurubashi and Amani cousins, they longed for a peaceful connection to the natural world. Dark troll mystics often sought ways to commune with the land and live in harmony with it. Many of these trolls gradually migrated toward the center of Kalimdor. They explored the labyrinthine groves at the heart of the continent, crossing paths with the elusive faerie dragons, chimaeras, and dryads. In time, the dark trolls also discovered an enormous lake of scintillating energies, a lake they would later know as the Well of Eternity.

Mesmerized by their discovery, the dark trolls settled along the Well of Eternity’s shores. Over generations, the energies radiating from the lake suffused the trolls’ flesh and bones, elevating their forms to match their graceful spirits. They transformed into highly intelligent and virtually immortal beings. These former trolls gradually abandoned their ancient heritage and traditions. The tribe’s mystics began worshipping the moon goddess, Elune, who they believed was bound to the Well of Eternity itself. They claimed that the deity slumbered within the fount’s depths during daylight hours.

The former trolls also discovered the name “Kalimdor” and other titan-forged words from communing with Elune and investigating strange artifacts scattered around the Well’s periphery. Influenced by this newfound language, they called themselves kaldorei—“children of the stars”—or night elves.What the Characters Knew Priorquest from one of the night elves in the zoneStaghelm has given the order. All trolls on the field of battle must be exterminated. Their preposterous claims of birthing night elves must be met with force and due prejudice.

Slay them and return to me with their mojo. To reiterate: I want you to steal their mojo.similar quest from the Darkspear in the zone<Najak snarls.>

Before the night elves existed there was troll. It was from troll that the night elves came.

Their mutinous attacks against my people will not be tolerated. Staghelm seeks to wipe us out - to leave no trace of those that bore him and his ilk. It will not happen!

For every night elf that you slay and decapitate, Najak will grant you favor amongst the Darkspear. Word of your deeds will be spread across Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms. Go now and serve the Darkspear!With the insectoids driven into exile, the twin troll empires returned to business as usual. Despite their great victory, neither civilization expanded much farther than their original boundaries. However, ancient texts speak of a small faction of trolls that broke off from the Amani Empire and founded their own colony in the heart of the dark continent.

There, these brave pioneers discovered the cosmic Well of Eternity which transformed them into beings of immense power. Some legends suggest that these adventurous trolls were the first night elves, though this theory has never been proven.isThree Possible Paths of Evolutionwhere1. Haranir are a step before Trolls to ElvesChronicleHaranir2. Haranir are a Divergent Common Ancestor3. Haranir are descended from Dark TrollsandAre the Haranir Actually Correct?are the Haranir 100% correct?Did Everyone Get Amnesia?didn't we already know this?possibleisDoes This Reveal Even Matter?this doesn't change anything.

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Comment by FallenReignThe Haranir are trash that should never have been added to the game.Comment by BokbladeI dislike this bit of new "lore", It makes it seem like all other races but the Haranir have evolved over the Millennium? While they themselves are this Chimeric Race that has all sorts of Mix/matched features that feel more akin to a Hybrid than it would be to a uniformed species, Somehow Uneffected by the world around them and the changes brought on by magic?

I call Hogwash on the entire thing. That its The Haranir mistranslating their Legends, and then assuming themselves as the center of the story, rather than some distant offshoot.Comment by keeindordeltl;DR DEI slop, no.Comment by Vinaya01The art team and the raid teams have been on fire. The writing team should be fired. Simple as.Comment by Asarkhadonthere is one unanimous thought among them all: this doesn't change anything.Comment by YortalThe only way it would makes sense is if the 1st hypothesis was right, "Haranir are a step before Trolls to Elves". But hey it could also be that the writers didn't know anything about established lore and thought that it needed an answer to an already answered question...Comment by Villager720tl;DR DEI slop, no.Comment by virus5877that's not really how evolution works... but maybe Azeroth is different :PComment by JamesMartigoI like tusks.Comment by Railowit doesnt make sense. until now everyone knew that elfs evolved from trolls. now suddenly they retcon everything and want us to ignore every lore about it from before, telling us there is this new species that was the real ancestor. since jailor slop they change whatever lore they wantComment by 0kitty0So Blizzards new 'writers' seem to think it would be viable to solve hundreds/thousands of years of racial hatred by saying 'hey bro we were all monkeys once' lol how embarrassingComment by Raghnailttl;DR DEI slop, no.Comment by NihilismThere is a reason the guy who shoehorned this race into the game is no longer with the company. It’s 7th grade fanfic tier writing.

“Azeroth’s oldest living wardens”
Totally isolationist. Absent from every single threat posed to Azeroth ever.
We’re like totally secret dude. We’re like totally out there man.
Their origin is like “their own interpretation man”. It’s not literally lore man.Comment by RealiChiI dislike this bit of new "lore", It makes it seem like all other races but the Haranir have evolved over the Millennium? While they themselves are this Chimeric Race that has all sorts of Mix/matched features that feel more akin to a Hybrid than it would be to a uniformed species, Somehow Uneffected by the world around them and the changes brought on by magic?

I call Hogwash on the entire thing. That its The Haranir mistranslating their Legends, and then assuming themselves as the center of the story, rather than some distant offshoot.Comment by Aonaskullty for this detailed articleComment by ElunarioToo much World of Peacecraft here.

I prefer the real World of Warcraft, where the Trolls would have started a battle with the Elves and Tyrande a fight with everyone else.Comment by CarrionCarcass*puts on tinfoil hat because it is that serious to me* Please bear with me, I know dragons is not mentioned in the article but HEAR ME OUT.

In War of the scaleborn the Aspects encounter humanoids that are very clearly described with Troll-like traits (ch5,p68). The common idea is that the Haranir are the step in between since they do have tusks of trolls HOWEVER they are smaller on both male and females indicating that the tusk size isn't sexual dimorphism like trolls, but it's actually a potential sign of the tusks becoming vestigial/unnecessary and the haranir had evolved to have smaller tusks, it would also align with my theory that trolls probably went underground due to the events of the War of the scaleborn and the sundering since both events resulted in some pretty heavy damage to their numbers and civilization.

Going back to War of the Scaleborn, it should be noted that on both the primalist side and the aspects sides, none of them had seen mortals up until the trolls were encountered and then not long after the trolls started getting wiped it, it would not make sense for Haranir to leave underground and live in a more hostile environment let alone stay in one, it would make more sense for trolls to go underground. On top of that, their first sort of "sighting" was mount hyjal, considering not all trolls would flee underground it would make sense that those who stayed above ground became the highborne and those who went underground never evolved further. Mind you, if it wasn't important, the appearance of the mortals wouldn't have been described and if there was another race (haranir) then they would have also been described as they would also have been used in the scaleborn war. Hyjal is also near Wyrmrest Temple if you were to put the continents back together into the OG kalimdor, the dragons would have absolutely encountered Haranir and the Dragons would have been recorded by the Haranir but instead the Trolls have had more history with them than not.

"In truth, the idea that the Haranir are a progenitor to the elves and trolls may simply be their interpretation of the information gleaned from their paintings and legends. While they might look back at the ancestors that predated all of their races to be Haranir, they could have still been trolls in reality, or an entirely separate race."

At the end of the day, all the elf and troll races are too prideful to accept they're related so they glamour and accessorize their own history either that or blizzard is disregarding their own novels and quests.

Night elves also believed they came first in classic iirc. We BARELY get unbiased lore, the Chronicle books are confirmed to be told from a potentially biased viewpoint, assume any information told to us by complete stranger npcs is potentially a concrete brick painted to look like cake.Comment by CarrionCarcassToo much World of Peacecraft here.

I prefer the real World of Warcraft, where the Trolls would have started a battle with the Elves and Tyrande a fight with everyone else.Comment by OnlyWorgenI am happy with current wow from a storytelling perspective. It’s been quite enjoyable since I came back for DragonflightComment by glassleoI thought this was obvious to everyone since Haranir were revealed?

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