Havoc Demon Hunter Class Changes in Patch 9.1 PTR Build 38394 - Guide Writer Analysis and Feedback

Posted 2021/04/24 at 12:07 PM by Kib0

9.1 PTR build 38394Chaos StrikeDemon's BiteUnbound Chaos

Our Guide Writers have given their thoughts on the Patch 9.1 PTR Class Changes and new Legendaries for Build 38394. Check out all of our released opinion articles for the build below.

Havoc DH Changes - Guide Writer ThoughtsSubtlety Rogue - Guide Writer Thoughts

Paladin Covenant Legendaries - Guide Writer ThoughtsRogue Covenant LegendarIes - Guide Writer Thoughts
Shaman Covenant Legendaries - Guide Writer ThoughtsDruid and Warrior Updated Legendaries - Guide Writer Thoughts

Havoc Demon Hunter

Specialization (2)

Chaos Strike Slice your target for 38.5%44.275% of Attack power) + (60.5%69.575% of Attack power)] Chaos damage. Chaos Strike has a 20% chance to refund 20 Fury.
Demon's Bite Quickly attack for (49.8069%57.2779% of Attack power) Physical damage.
Generates 20 to 30 Fury.
Effect #1 Effect #2 School Damage
Value: 0 (AP mod: 0.4980690.572779)

Talents (1)

Unbound Chaos Activating Immolation Aura increases the damage of your next Fel Rush by 600%500%. Lasts 20 sec.

Havoc Demon Hunter Guide Writer PerspectiveKibFel Hammer Demon Hunter DiscordStreamSingle target damage has been a big weakness for Havoc and after trying to help out the spec with aura buffs, Blizzard finally buffed the spells that only affect our single target damage. The change amounts to roughly 4% single target damage increase. Unbound Chaos being nerfed is somewhat necessary if the goal intended for a talent row is to have the talents be competitive with each other. At 600% Unbound Chaos was always the clear winner, where as 500% it is more competitive with the other talents and shines in certain aspects but not all of them.

While these buffs will help Havoc be a more balanced spec in the grand scheme of things, the spec has always been Mythic Raid viable. You won't top damage meters but as long as you are a capable player you will contribute to the success of the raid. When it comes to world first raid comps, these changes won't affect the spec enough to become a top spec, so the purpose of Havoc Demon Hunters will remain to apply Chaos Brand. In the current meta, melee are not very desirable, so as long as Vengeance is a top tier tank, it will remain the preferred way to access Chaos Brand for the raid.

12 3

Comment by WarderDragonHey Wowhead! I know it's been asked before, but I think it'd be a very good idea to get some PvP perspectives into class changes as well. I know you guys have PvP writers, so why not ask them to contribute?Comment by HexelyionIn other words: looks good, is actually a crap insignificant change.Comment by baelmerIn other words: looks good, is actually a crap insignificant change.Comment by SilverDragon53Unless pvp becomes a larger part of the game (still only like 10-15% of the population) nobody will care about it. It is a gamemode of World of Warcraft.Comment by Akusa4% of garbage is still garbage. Ffs Blizzard. Why do you insist on dhs doing trash st damage in raids? Bottom half of raid statistics currently. The worst melee dps if you consider the fact that the others have other, better dps specs they can play. All stemming from the fact that the spec has zero burst cds and trash st damage. Being replaced by tanks in most raids. They need actual st buffs, so just do it already.

Buff DH you cowards.Comment by QaneshaIn other words: looks good, is actually a crap insignificant change.-average wow playerComment by couchpotato20134% of garbage is still garbage. Ffs Blizzard. Why do you insist on dhs doing trash st damage in raids? Bottom half of raid statistics currently. The worst melee dps if you consider the fact that the others have other, better dps specs they can play. All stemming from the fact that the spec has zero burst cds and trash st damage. Being replaced by tanks in most raids. They need actual st buffs, so just do it already.

Buff DH you cowards.Comment by execute92really like to see little dhs crying for a spec that was busted for 2 expansions with borrowed powers and now is exactly where it belongs,to the bottom. the spec needs to be re-designed , you cant expect a spec with 2 buttons rotation,mobility,survability,magic dmg buff,to be top dps for ever.its a brain dead spec and it should always be below average.imagine playing warlock,shadow priest ,classes that actually have a rotation and be at same dps tier with a havoc. just chill the spec is as it supposed to be,if you want smth easy and top dps then go play smth else.Comment by okta74% of garbage is still garbage. Ffs Blizzard. Why do you insist on dhs doing trash st damage in raids? Bottom half of raid statistics currently. The worst melee dps if you consider the fact that the others have other, better dps specs they can play. All stemming from the fact that the spec has zero burst cds and trash st damage. Being replaced by tanks in most raids. They need actual st buffs, so just do it already.

Buff DH you cowards.Comment by pateuvasiliuYeah still not subbing back. Affliction or Fire or Balance were 20% ahead on some fights compared to Havoc.

I'm not paying money to play a worse class because devs are lazy/incapable. It's unacceptable that Mage has been top tier since Vanilla but they can't make Havoc decent.Comment by PhoenixTVreally like to see little dhs crying for a spec that was busted for 2 expansions with borrowed powers and now is exactly where it belongs,to the bottom. the spec needs to be re-designed , you cant expect a spec with 2 buttons rotation,mobility,survability,magic dmg buff,to be top dps for ever.its a brain dead spec and it should always be below average.imagine playing warlock,shadow priest ,classes that actually have a rotation and be at same dps tier with a havoc. just chill the spec is as it supposed to be,if you want smth easy and top dps then go play smth else.Comment by 528074Gotta love how the average DH will always have something to complain about. Get rekt.Comment by 528074Yeah still not subbing back. Affliction or Fire or Balance were 20% ahead on some fights compared to Havoc.

I'm not paying money to play a worse class because devs are lazy/incapable. It's unacceptable that Mage has been top tier since Vanilla but they can't make Havoc decent.Comment by HeroicveniGood overall changes, I think people forget how well havoc scales with patches. I'm honestly expecting them to be M+ meta (or at least one of the top 5 dps specs for m+), and for raid I think they will be within the top 10 dps specs, potentially being top 3 on bosses with adds, as they can be now on Sire. Given the nerfs to VDH and buffs to some other tank specs, the tank meta should be much closer now as well. I hope some of the talents are re-designed though.. my hope is that they bring that 1 sec 100% dodge chance from blade dance back at least for PvE. It was really fun to dodge certain mechanics in m+ and something that differentiated a good dh from a great one (there were many abilities that looked like you wouldn't be able to dodge but in reality you could).Comment by Nikolas90Ppl are complaining for no reason, this is just what we need to be competitive. With the right legendaries, it will be just fine. I as havoc can still be top DPS on some fights even now.Comment by DaomarYeah still not subbing back. Affliction or Fire or Balance were 20% ahead on some fights compared to Havoc.

I'm not paying money to play a worse class because devs are lazy/incapable. It's unacceptable that Mage has been top tier since Vanilla but they can't make Havoc decent.Comment by Glocktharreally like to see little dhs crying for a spec that was busted for 2 expansions with borrowed powers and now is exactly where it belongs,to the bottom. the spec needs to be re-designed , you cant expect a spec with 2 buttons rotation,mobility,survability,magic dmg buff,to be top dps for ever.its a brain dead spec and it should always be below average.imagine playing warlock,shadow priest ,classes that actually have a rotation and be at same dps tier with a havoc. just chill the spec is as it supposed to be,if you want smth easy and top dps then go play smth else.Comment by HungryfoassPeople crying about dh being weak are delusional. Yes, it is behind on single target damage. As it damn should be. Havoc is a spec that has no weaknesses in it's design. It has insane mobility, it has insane utility, it has insane survivability and it has a passive that buffs every caster in raid. Whenever havoc is tuned to do good or even just decent single target it ends up being oppressively op, to the point that it literally makes zero sense to bring any other melee over them aside from a monk for touch, a warrior for battleshout and a dk for amz. And all those classes can be brought in as tanks. If havoc right now recieved buffs to make their st good you'd have to say goodbye to all the rogues, warriors, monks, enh shamans and ret paladins because every raid would want brewmaster and prot warrior for tanks, 2 unholy dks for amzs and fill out the rest of melee slots with havoc. Havoc has to be undertuned because they are too good at everything already.Comment by Kelrasreally like to see little dhs crying for a spec that was busted for 2 expansions with borrowed powers and now is exactly where it belongs,to the bottom. the spec needs to be re-designed , you cant expect a spec with 2 buttons rotation,mobility,survability,magic dmg buff,to be top dps for ever.its a brain dead spec and it should always be below average.imagine playing warlock,shadow priest ,classes that actually have a rotation and be at same dps tier with a havoc. just chill the spec is as it supposed to be,if you want smth easy and top dps then go play smth else.Comment by execute92exactly that and what i told.well said

12 3