The Weekly Reset by Taliesin and Evitel - Ion's Shadowlands Dev Update, New Login Screen

posted 2020/09/14 at 7:14 PM by perculia

Taliesin and EvitelWorld of Warcraft Shadowlands is looming. New cinematics are being released, the pre-patch could drop at any time and Blizzard have confirmed they will NOT be pulling the ripcord on covenant abilities and swapping... so basically, they've got some tuning to do. We look at al the things that are still missing from the game in the current BETA build, (and some new things that aren't) in the all new Weekly Reset! Knowledge is power.

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Shadowlands Login Screen and Title Music

Stormwind City Guards and Civilians Receive Updated Diverse Appearances

Threads of Fate Alt Leveling

Blizzard Won't Pull the Ripcord

Primus Dialogue and the Jailer's Real name

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Comment by NiccoloMSo what's the big deal with having a right and wrong choice? Just choose the right one then. Are the complainers those who want to pick the wrong choices, such that they want Blizz to make the wrong choices the right choices?Comment by StandinginFireI think Tali is missing an important point, you dont need to be optimal to do any content past world first/high m+ because blizzard never uses such high levels of difficulty and that includes mythic.

Here's an example.
Let's say we build a sim for specifically wrathion and your spec, we mean to the gcd in level of details, that sim will take your class and achieve optimal useage of every single gcd as well as using the most optimal build. (You can argue build might change slightly depending on the time you get targeted by the mechanic but that variation is small and this is just an example)

That sim is a robot and perfected the pve encounter therefore it was 100% optimal and performance both build and mechanically wise.
A player might copy that build but due to imperfections mechanically will reach let's say 93% optimality and performance.
A decent player not having the perfect build but knows how to play their class and encounter will reach let's say 78% optimality and performance.
A bad players with the best build might only reach 60% optimality, you could say without that build he might do 56% optimality but the problem is clearly mechanical.

Here's the thing, mythic would require all 20 players on average have 75% optimality and performance, heroic being 60% and normal being 40% required, as long as your players are decent an average at around 75% impartiality they are more than fine

And every single week that passes means more geared players which means the requirements are dropping, so even if mythic on the first week would require 95% optimality, every single week of further geardrops it by 2%

The moment you understand this, it is the moment you realize you dont need to be optimal for all content to do raids or m+ like some pretend "Oh i cant do m+ now cuz I am not 100% optimal in m+" unless we pretend all those complaining are doing m30s rn.
For me though, it comes down to the fact that I want to feel like I'm contributing as best I can in whatever activity I'm doing. Personally, I'd like to go Night Fae -- I love the zone, I like the covenant storyline, and the weekly event is useful. But I'm a hunter. Their class ability is straight up garbage. That leaves me with Maldraxus (not a fan of the aesthetic at all but not a *terrible* ability), Bastion (probably a better choice for Mythic+), and Venthyr (the far and away best single target, raid choice at the moment). So depending on how they end up tuning the Maldraxus ability, I'm either going to have to:

A) Go Maldraxus and just put up with not having any desire to be there and not liking my main zone
B) Go Bastion, be ok with my covenant choice, and choose to not be as good in raid as I could be
C) Go Venthyr, be ehh with my covenant choice, and choose to not be as good in mythic+ as I could be
D) Go Night Fae, be happy with my covenant choice, and know that I am choosing to play a weaker character that will put a heavier burden on groups I run with (a bigger deal in mythic+ where theres only 3 dps, but still something I'm not comfortable with in raids) and may very well keep me from getting invited to some groups all together

And no, I dont think they'll be able to balance them :/Comment by StandinginFire

A) Go Maldraxus and just put up with not having any desire to be there and not liking my main zone
B) Go Bastion, be ok with my covenant choice, and choose to not be as good in raid as I could be
C) Go Venthyr, be ehh with my covenant choice, and choose to not be as good in mythic+ as I could be
D) Go Night Fae, be happy with my covenant choice, and know that I am choosing to play a weaker character that will put a heavier burden on groups I run with (a bigger deal in mythic+ where theres only 3 dps, but still something I'm not comfortable with in raids) and may very well keep me from getting invited to some groups all together

And no, I dont think they'll be able to balance them :/Comment by kenishiwell i for one enjoy and like there work, as i also like they do it as duo and but little comedy into some times. nothing serious or for fetch just the right amount for me and, i hope they keep it up.Comment by BullseyedAwesome video!

Honestly, for me? I 100% get it. I want to be different, based on my covenant choice, than the others of my class/spec. Different strengths and weaknesses. If we can swap at the click of a button, we're just the same again. Bleh.

The abilities are not balanced, but I'm optimistic that they can be -close-.Comment by BullseyedYou made all those numbers up though... you arbitrarily said that mythic requires all players at 75% optimal (not to mention this would change based on their gear) and also arbitrarily said that "A decent player not having the perfect build but knows how to play their class and encounter will reach let's say 78%." Maybe mythic requires players be 80% optimal or maybe the decent player is only 70% optimal. Or maybe I have to be 90% optimal because of my gear but my buddy only has to be 60% optimal because of his gear. Your numbers dont mean anything because you made them up.Comment by BullseyedFirst problem is the obvious one that plagued us for two tiers, you get a high level piece and it is not an upgrade because unlike your previous piece you haven't unlocked all the rings on it. Comment by 1886707This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by damonbergin]

Yeah I disagree with the model lol

And I've always had a bit of the issue with comparisons to Vanilla -- it was a totally different environment back then. We just didnt Know what we know today and we didnt have the tools that we have today. That became evident when everyone discovered that classic wasnt actually difficult lol

15 years ago we played the game with the tools and knowledge we had. When logged into wow for the first time, you didnt know how many druid slots would be in a raid versus how many priest slots. You didnt know how a mage's damage would compare to a hunter's. And we didnt have the tools to tell us how much worse/better certain talent choices were. We also didnt worry about people not letting us into groups or content because of our spec (or possibly in the future, covenant). That's not the world (of warcraft) we live in anymore and, in my opinion, the game should better reflect that realityComment by Herowyn
That and anyone who has ever played a real RPG like D&D (which WoW is based on) knows you pick stuff about your character and you don't magically shift roles at will.Comment by LakaiyaI get such joy every time I see they've released another vid. That cut of just how long we get to enjoy the loading screen and music made me snort my coffee.Comment by WillowwhispHaven't been able to watch the video but judging by the synopsis, I agree. When they announced the release date of the expansion my first reaction was surprise and pleasure at it being so soon quickly followed by concern because having played through the beta it feels like they might be better off waiting til the end of November to release it.

Even aside from the issues with covenants and progressions, the Maw just plain sucks, there are broken quest chains that haven't been fixed in multiple builds, the permanent flight path wormhole effect is still an issue and pretty much everything feels overtuned to the point I've only been able to play through the covenant campaigns as efficiently as I did by buying and upgrading a full set of PvP gear for free.Comment by StandinginFire]

Yeah I disagree with the model lol

And I've always had a bit of the issue with comparisons to Vanilla -- it was a totally different environment back then. We just didnt Know what we know today and we didnt have the tools that we have today. That became evident when everyone discovered that classic wasnt actually difficult lol

15 years ago we played the game with the tools and knowledge we had. When logged into wow for the first time, you didnt know how many druid slots would be in a raid versus how many priest slots. You didnt know how a mage's damage would compare to a hunter's. And we didnt have the tools to tell us how much worse/better certain talent choices were. We also didnt worry about people not letting us into groups or content because of our spec (or possibly in the future, covenant). That's not the world (of warcraft) we live in anymore and, in my opinion, the game should better reflect that realityComment by damonberginI, as I am sure many others, ran into a problem as far back as TBC where I had a PvE spec and a PvP spec, for me it was Playing a Rogue, in PvE I was Combat Swords but it in BG I was Mutilate/Hemo. I would have to avoid group PvE with my sub optimal spec and vice versa for PvP content. Multi-Spec happened and its great (For the most part).

We as players have vastly different opinions on what makes or doesn't make great gameplay but we should all able to agree being able to switch specs a la my example or from Tank to DPS, or DPS to Healer is great and good for the game and opens up possibilities that help players engage with content.

Here's the problem though with Covenants, players are viewing Covenants as a spec within their class, that they should be able to switch to, and conduits as talents that they should be able to rearrange. Blizzard from what I can tell are trying to make Covenants a "Class" distinction.

So, while the players are saying "pull the rip cord" let us change covenants to suit content, it's not the design philosophy Blizzard intended. To Blizzard its Akin to a Rogue suggesting that because a fury warrior is better on Fight X, the Rogue should be able to switch to Fury for Fight X, and because Demon Hunter is better for Content Y the Rogue should be able to switch to Demon Hunter, Despite these not being Rogue Specs. To alleviate being locked into this decision, and probably because it's only an expansion feature they have methods where you can change, just not on a whim. Similar to how you can just reroll to whatever the best class is currently, or have alts ready. (See: Stars kill of Yogg-Saron for stacking alts to suits boss mechanics, who has that many Locks geared and ready to go for an end boss anyway 0.o).

Therefore Blizzard disagree with the players.

TL;DR Player expectation and Blizzard design philosophy very rarely matches up, covenants should probably have, or be tuned to equal a slightly better than trash third trinket, cool if you have the best one, no great loss if you don't.Comment by TimeTravelerI enjoy watching them, not only are they rather witty and funny, but they discuss some issues that hadn't occurred to me. I'm sure some find them obnoxious at times but that is part of my enjoyment of them.............much more entertaining than some of the Bliz development videos to be honest. As others have said, don't watch them if you don't like them, it's your choice. Oh, and if you don't like them why don't you come up with your own instead of complaining ?Comment by SalvadoreI hate the term "content creators" because it covers everything from the dude playing games on Twitch for 24/7 and the more cute cat/dogs videos you ever have seen, however, most of that is junkyard content in my personal opinion, however, this two create good content, the videos seem to be well research, represent multiple gender views, and they really love WoW and respect the developers, and best of all it's not the Angry YouTuber, my way or the highway show, or the I'm a game developer that never actually release a full game, but here are 10 videos how I know better than the Dev team working on this game for years, also here are my fake insider stories about that same team's mood right now, and the game is dying and losing subs because my videos get fewer views show!

Huge thanks to Taliesin and Evitel and the Wowhead team for creating quality WoW Content!Comment by KelrasWow, another T&E episode! I can't wait to watch this with my wife's son. Thanks Wowhead team! <3Comment by MadmaddynlCan plz wowhead introduce new content creators, i really dont like this guys...

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