Shadowlands Great Vault - How Item Level of Mythic+ Rewards in Weekly Chest is Determined

Posted 2020/08/03 at 3:00 AM by Squishei

DisclaimersGreat Vault Mythic+ ObjectivesWeekly Chest UI and ObjectivesThis post

Complete 1 Mythic Dungeon

Complete 5 Mythic Dungeons

Complete 15 Mythic Dungeons

How Item Level of Mythic+ Rewards is Determined

+15 Halls of Atonement

+12 Necrotic Wake

+10 Necrotic Wake

+10 Mists of Tirna Scithe

+10 Plaguefall

Mythic +15Mythic +101 Mythic Dungeon Objective

The Complete 1 Mythic Dungeon is determined by the highest Mythic Dungeon completed that week.

5 Mythic Dungeons Objective

The Complete 5 Mythic Dungeons objective is determined by the lowest level of your top 5 runs.

In order to upgrade my choice of loot, I currently need to complete +11 Keystones or higher.

But in order to get a Mythic +15 choice of loot, I need to complete at least 3 dungeons that are +15 Keys or higher.

15 Mythic Dungeons Objectivespeculate

The Complete 15 Mythic Dungeons objective is speculated to be determined by the lowest level of your top 15 runs.

Summary

The first reward is determined by the highest key you complete this week.

The Complete 5 Mythic Dungeons objective is determined by the 5th highest key for the week.

The Complete 15 Mythic Dungeons objective is speculated to be determined by the 15th highest key for this week.

Example

Your first reward will be a Mythic 15 reward (Highest Key).

Your second reward will be a Mythic 14 reward (5th Highest Key).

Your third reward will be a Mythic 8 reward (15th Highest Key).

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Comments

Comment by Ledaren

So it's as the logical people assumed then.

15 runs is way too much with this anti-abuse system in place.

Comment by minka25

Calculate by the lowest is incredible stupid.

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

Am I right? That is stupid as hell :D Or I understand it totally wrong.

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Edit: Thanks for explaining this in the comments :)

Comment by knight85

Does this new system still REQUIRE you to run a keystone each week to get the reward for mythics?

Comment by LainiWeiz

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

Am I right? That is stupid as hell :D Or I understand it totally wrong.

Does this new system still REQUIRE you to run a keystone each week to get the reward for mythics?

No, they just give you free loot without doing anything.

Comment by Nontus135

You're understanding it totally wrong. The first Box is based on your highest. So you get +10 for 1 dungeon. The second box is based on your lowest of 5. So. So if you did 2 runs. You get loot for +10 (thats the first box) and then NO loot from your 2nd box becuase you didn't complete 5 dungeons.

Comment by nantangitan

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

The first objective is calculated off your highest. So if you do 2 dungeons. One is a +3 and the other a +10, you'll get a +10 reward.
The calculated by lowest only kicks in for the do 5 dungeons and do 15 dungeons tiers.

Comment by khaldron

No, this is for the bonus only, and its the top 5 runs, so if you do 6 runs, 5 being +10 and one being +3, the +3 is discarded. Keep in mind that on the current system we only have 1 option.

If you do one +15 and four +3, the normal weekly reward will be a +15 level reward, but the bonus from doing 5 dungeons will be a +3 option.

Comment by Ganzoo

Helping your friend with +3 wouldn't change your reward if you've already completed all 15 runs at +10, If you didn't do 15 runs yet it just wont push you towards that goal which is fair in my opinon

Comment by nantangitan

But it does disincentive people from running lower keys to help others out if they have to then off set them with more higher runs.

Comment by Nnyco

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

Am I right? That is stupid as hell :D Or I understand it totally wrong.

If you ran 14x m15 and 1x m10 you would get m15 loot for the first and second option and m10 loot for the third, if you then run a 16th run m15 your third option becomes m15.

It basically picks between your best 1/5/15 runs.

Comment by Ryrybaby

Who has time for 15 15+ runs every single week? You know that will be the general goal of most players who want to min/max.

I see a huge nerf to the # needed every week on the immediate horizon soon after launch.

Comment by Druffbaum

You should read the article again. You don't get a lower ilvl reward if you help him.

Comment by AlakeiThancan

You can get 250 conquest in two hours. You can complete an entire raid in 2 hours, say 6/8 while on progression. So why does the mythic+ objectives requires 15 +15 mythics to complete ? Even with amazing organisation, gear, and preparation, with flight times and the actual timer of the dungeon, it would take a minimum of 10 hours, it's ridiculous.

Taliesin & Evitel talked about this in their latest video and their solution is amazing. Your 3 choices are defined by your top 3 mythic+ dugeons, but you still need to do a number of +X keys to unlock the bonuses (maybe not 15 mythic + though, I'd say 8 total (including the 3 +15s) would be enough.

That way you incentivize high mythic+ players to help friends and guildies with lower level keys, you reduce the incredibly stupid long grind every week to get your choices,; but it's still hard work.

Comment by Mestoris

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

Am I right? That is stupid as hell :D Or I understand it totally wrong.

Yes, you're misunderstanding.

Say you complete four +10 dungeons. At that point, you will not yet have earned a second choice. Then you help your friend with +3. You'll see +3 as the second choice because that's the lowest of your top five. But if you then go and complete a fifth +10, the second choice will increase to +10. That last dungeon will bump the +3 out of your top five for the rest of the week.

Comment by trius0

I get what the system is, but i really dont understand why this just could not be ilvl of the top dungeons instead.

If i have done +15, +15, +15, +15 & +11 and i have 4 loot unlocked, it should all be +15 loot and the +11 should have nothing to say. And if i unlock a 5th piece of loot, i should only need to do one more +15 to have all be that ilvl.

There is no need for blizzardto try to 4D chess boosters on this, its not gonna work and you're just over complecating it. Hot damn.

Comment by AlakeiThancan

You should read the article again. You don't get a lower ilvl reward if you help him.

You should read the article again. That's exactly how it works. The first reward depends on your highest mythic+, the others depend on your lowest, meaning that if you help out on low level keys, your second and third choice will have a lower ilvl.

Comment by Nontus135

So if I wanna help a friend in his +3 but normally run +10, I get a low itemlevel reward or I can't help him?

Am I right? That is stupid as hell :D Or I understand it totally wrong.

In this instance your first choice would be +10 but your second would be +3. Which yeah seems a bit odd. It makes sense in a way, you can't run one really difficult key and then make up the numbers with low ones.
But it does disincentive people from running lower keys to help others out if they have to then off set them with more higher runs.

One way you could look at it is this system is no worse than what we have now, your only loot option is based on your highest key, but you could run into a situation where your first option is a 475 you don't want but the second is a 450 that if it were a 475 you'd bite Ion's hand off to get. That won't feel good.

It does NOT disincentive people from running lower keys to help others. You HAVE to fill the 5/5 requirement to get the loot. If you complete 1 +15 and then 4 +3's to help your friends THEN you'll get loot from both boxes. 1 being +10 loot then the next being +3 loot. The second you complete 5 +15s then you'll get max item lvl loot from both boxes. The fact that you helped you someone on a lower key doesn't go against you. You have to be 5/5 anyway so 1 low key doesn't "spoil" the lowest you'd get.

Comment by nantangitan

The final goal is likely intended for hardcore M+ players, not your average player.
The design of this system screams to me that you're not meant to do all nine every week. Rather it seems to me like the system is designed so that players who are hardcore into one type of content over another type, and players who dabble a little bit in everything will eventually average out to roughly the same number of rewards per week.

Comment by khaldron

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Comment by LainiWeiz

But it does disincentive people from running lower keys to help others out if they have to then off set them with more higher runs.

Disagree.
Whether you help your friends or not, you still need to do the same number of dungeons at a given level to get the reward at that level. Doing lower dungeons doesn't disadvantage you at all.

So if you help out a friend by doing a +10, but you want to get a +15 reward for doing 5 dungeons... no matter what you do, you still need to do 5 +15 runs.

I was gonna say not if you didn't have time to run that many dungeons in a week but then if you don't do 5 dungeons you don't get the second choice anyway.
So you'd need to do 6 in total, 5 +15 and then your friends +10 or whatever.

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