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World First Race - Why is Mythic Azshara's Phase 3 So Hard? How Big Are the Nerfs?

posted 2019/07/26 at 5:09 AM by Squishei

Phase 3 Description (Pre-Hotfix)Drain Ancient WardStatic ShockChain LightningCrystalline ShieldCharged SpearCharged SpearArcaneCrystalline ShieldCharged SpearShattered ShieldArcane MissilesArcane VulnerabilityDrained Soul

All the Tidemistress Adds have been defeated.

2 minutes have elapsed from the start of the Phase.

Queen Azshara reaches 50% health.

BerserkWhy is Phase 3 So Difficult?BerserkBerserkCharged SpearThe Extra Myrmidon

The Final Myrmidon must not spawn by defeating the Tidemistress’ and phasing the boss before 1:50

Defeating the final Myrmidon in 20 seconds before it casts (doesn’t seem possible)

Using a lot of defensive cooldowns to survive a single empowered Charged Spear.

Charged Spear and Arcane VulnerabilityCharged SpearArcane VulnerabilityDrained SoulShattered ShieldToday’s Hotfix

Blizzard

Dungeons and Raids

Azshara's Eternal Palace

Queen Azshara

Cyranus should no longer throw his Charged Spear if he is defeated just before throwing it.
Changed the magic school of Charged Spear from Arcane to Nature for all difficulties.
Reduced the duration of Arcane Vulnerability to 5 seconds (was 7 seconds) on Mythic difficulty.

Arcane VulnerabilityArcane MissilesArcane VulnerabilityCharged SpearCharged SpearArcane VulnerabilityCharged SpearCharged SpearTomorrow's Nerf

Blizzard

We have a hotfix in testing that we intend to apply to change the Queen Azshara encounter tomorrow morning (PDT):

Queen Azshara’s minions now Berserk after 3 minutes in Phase 3 of the encounter on Mythic difficulty (was 2 minutes).
We’ll confirm when the hotfix is ready and going live tomorrow morning.

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Comment by JimbrooksIsn't this basically what happened in Tomb of Sargeras? Blizz made the fight unwinnable despite perfect raid coordination? Overtuning.

It would definitely kill my enthusiasm to keep pulling knowing that no matter what the raidgroup did there was no way to overcome. No wonder Mythic raiders are often get branded as "beta-testing boss fights".Comment by Sidius1989Isn't this basically what happened in Tomb of Sargeras? Blizz made the fight unwinnable despite perfect raid coordination? Overtuning.Comment by AlakeiThancanIsn't this basically what happened in Tomb of Sargeras? Blizz made the fight unwinnable despite perfect raid coordination? Overtuning.

It would definitely kill my enthusiasm to keep pulling knowing that no matter what the raidgroup did there was no way to overcome. No wonder Mythic raiders are often get branded as "beta-testing boss fights".Comment by OneOfAllThey should leave it as it is! They will get gear and kill it after several weeks. Why they need to nerf some bosses to be killable. That is why all end bosses will stay alive between 7-14 days. When we see boss alive more than 30+ days ?
Yogg +0 keeprs was alive for 85 days, Lich King with attempts was alive 46 days. I want such life span of the hardest bosses.Comment by VetochkaBtw, is there any actual reason to lower difficulty that guilds will get 8/8M in max 2 weeks? I mean, what's the problem to have a real hard fight, which will require top performance and very high ilvl (which will be extremely hard to have within first weeks), specific amount of traits unlocked and so on.. Fixing real bugs is ok (we all know blizz don't test mythic), but I don't see a reason to lower difficulty itself. Even mythic Fendir was killable, but just not at first week and that's it, there was no reason to nerf it just to make it killable in first days.Comment by 4ldarisThe increase from 2 to 3 mins is sad, sure it is extremely difficult, but it looks doable and thats what I thought we wanna watch, the earlier nerfs are justified in my opinion.Comment by prophet001Isn't this basically what happened in Tomb of Sargeras? Blizz made the fight unwinnable despite perfect raid coordination? Overtuning.

It would definitely kill my enthusiasm to keep pulling knowing that no matter what the raidgroup did there was no way to overcome. No wonder Mythic raiders are often get branded as "beta-testing boss fights".Comment by DarknessvampThey should leave it as it is! They will get gear and kill it after several weeks. Why they need to nerf some bosses to be killable. That is why all end bosses will stay alive between 7-14 days. When we see boss alive more than 30+ days ?
Yogg +0 keeprs was alive for 85 days, Lich King with attempts was alive 46 days. I want such life span of the hardest bosses.Comment by ShadowlygerIsn't this basically what happened in Tomb of Sargeras? Blizz made the fight unwinnable despite perfect raid coordination? Overtuning.

It would definitely kill my enthusiasm to keep pulling knowing that no matter what the raidgroup did there was no way to overcome. No wonder Mythic raiders are often get branded as "beta-testing boss fights".Comment by chrthI just wanted to thank Squishei for this article, it was very illuminating.Comment by RondrosThis is why Blizzard fail on so many levels. They bring out content... Top raiding guilds whine's they cannot kill a final mythic boss... Blizzard nerf the fight..... Top raid guilds kill boss. It's an endless cycle. I don't know why they cannot learn from this. Once those top raiding guilds get gear, they will kill it just fine. Tight DPS checks is not an "Impossible fight"... I bet you $10000 that in a week or so, those guilds will kill it just fine. Endless endless cycle.Comment by MenofsinsThey should leave it as it is! They will get gear and kill it after several weeks. Why they need to nerf some bosses to be killable. That is why all end bosses will stay alive between 7-14 days. When we see boss alive more than 30+ days ?
Yogg +0 keeprs was alive for 85 days, Lich King with attempts was alive 46 days. I want such life span of the hardest bosses.Comment by orionaegis7They should leave it as it is! They will get gear and kill it after several weeks. Why they need to nerf some bosses to be killable. That is why all end bosses will stay alive between 7-14 days. When we see boss alive more than 30+ days ?
Yogg +0 keeprs was alive for 85 days, Lich King with attempts was alive 46 days. I want such life span of the hardest bosses.Btw, is there any actual reason to lower difficulty that guilds will get 8/8M in max 2 weeks? I mean, what's the problem to have a real hard fight, which will require top performance and very high ilvl (which will be extremely hard to have within first weeks), specific amount of traits unlocked and so on.. Fixing real bugs is ok (we all know blizz don't test mythic), but I don't see a reason to lower difficulty itself. Even mythic Fendir was killable, but just not at first week and that's it, there was no reason to nerf it just to make it killable in first days.Comment by Vetochka
LK had a lockout after like 50 pulls a week, and World first guilds didn't do 7 split runs to have most of the best gear available back then. Also, Blizz shouldn't design the game around the top .0001%. Maybe 5 guilds in the world would kill the boss but no one else would. Even after KJ nerfs, most guilds wouldn't even *bother* to even try progging him. We don't need a repeat of that, it's not good for the game.Comment by vorontuThe increase from 2 to 3 mins is sad, sure it is extremely difficult, but it looks doable and thats what I thought we wanna watch, the earlier nerfs are justified in my opinion.
LK had a lockout after like 50 pulls a week, and World first guilds didn't do 7 split runs to have most of the best gear available back then. Also, Blizz shouldn't design the game around the top .0001%. Maybe 5 guilds in the world would kill the boss but no one else would. Even after KJ nerfs, most guilds wouldn't even *bother* to even try progging him. We don't need a repeat of that, it's not good for the game.https://www.wowhead.com/news=137766/limited-attempts-explainedComment by Sonatras
LK had a lockout after like 50 pulls a week, and World first guilds didn't do 7 split runs to have most of the best gear available back then. Also, Blizz shouldn't design the game around the top .0001%. Maybe 5 guilds in the world would kill the boss but no one else would. Even after KJ nerfs, most guilds wouldn't even *bother* to even try progging him. We don't need a repeat of that, it's not good for the game.wowheadComment by lagraNobody remember M'uru?Comment by VetochkaNobody remember M'uru?Comment by LolusThe increase from 2 to 3 mins is sad, sure it is extremely difficult, but it looks doable and thats what I thought we wanna watch, the earlier nerfs are justified in my opinion.Comment by TOMRUSGlad they nerfed Azshara. Ofc that's not enough for it to be killable by average mythic guild so it will need another set of nerfs later...

Now they need to also nerfs all prior bosses starting with Ashvane by around 10% HP so they are actually killable by average mythic guilds without struggling with DPS checks and berserk timers... Those DPS checks make no sense at all... Boss should be killable as long you do mechanics...

Overall tuning is very bad in Eternal Palace except for first 3 bosses... You kill first 3 bosses relatively easily and hit first wall as Ashvane, then after there's 4 more walls on the way...

It's so sad that Blizzard tune bosses around world first race and guilds like Method and Limit, instead of aiming tuning for rest of mythic guilds that have much lower skill and raid time...

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