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Graves from Before the Storm Added to Battle for Azeroth Beta (Spoilers)

posted 2018/06/13 at 11:46 AM by perculia

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Comment by MsWeatherwax I'm crying. Is this your +@*#ing moral greyness? I'm tired of it. As a member of Horde I want to stuck my axe in the head of the "warchief". To the very handle.\r
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Hear hear. Comment by Vibriss It's really sad to see how one single person (christie golden) can ruin a character that's been arround since warcraft 3, only because she wants to. One of the most interesting characters becomes garbage because of her %^&*ty writting. First war crimes and now this. This is just trash, not lore.\r
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I doubt that only one person has this much say in the lore. Especially not when the company is this big behind it. \r
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Are you not familiar with Knaak's novels? Authors have nigh absolute freedom in their writing. They may have a script they have to follow, but dialogues, descriptions and details are all on them. \r
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It's actually embarassing to see people white-knighting Golden. She may be a decent writer, but she isn't as familiar with the universe as a writer should be. Someone has pointed out in previous thread how many liberties she allowed herself when describing Forsaken (which made them look like a sect). To top it of, she is extremely biased. Anduin in her presentation is an absolute angel in flesh, even Thrall in his prime had more flaws. Morally grey is a joke; with this kind of person as a head of writing department Alliance can be nothing but pure white. Hell, even Genn Greymane started to display compassion. Comment by TosuroWoW Garrosh did nothing wrong Comment by saibakitsune So where are all those people that were saying the book was going to be ignored to keep "consistency" in wow?\r
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Probably in the second stage of grief: Anger Comment by nathasil You're crying? You should've known this would happen in a game called WARcraft. Blizzard needs to keep war going if they want people to keep playing their game. You can't expect both factions to kiss and make friends then fight the Void etc. forever. War between factions is what got the brand popular in the first place. I personally don't care cause this is all just a game but I advise you to brace yourself for more tears in the next expansion then. If this can get you crying then boy are you in for a rough time.\r
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Killing your own civilians, even those loyal to you, is called murder\/massacre...not war. Not even civil-war. Comment by Gwiez \r
I doubt that only one person has this much say in the lore. Especially not when the company is this big behind it. \r
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Nonetheless, I'm really tired of being the baddie all the time. Like give us some break. We lost (and losing) way too many warchiefs. Maybe it should stop? I'm waiting for a big twist at least.\r
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There's been no reckoning for Jaina and Vareesa ethnically cleansing Dalaran of Blood Elves. It's been regarded mostly as an oopsie. That needs to change. Comment by Shadowlyger A fitting end for a bunch of traitors. Comment by Chaxton Sure is nice that VIDEO GAME story isn't in the video game it's meant for, only scraps instead. The books are worse cash grabs than the stupid helmets in the Blizzard store. Game story belongs in the game or the accompanying instruction manuals (which don't even exist in modern games anymore), not in random books that are sold separately. Comment by Hadoriel It's really sad to see how one single person (christie golden) can ruin a character that's been arround since warcraft 3, only because she wants to. One of the most interesting characters becomes garbage because of her %^&*ty writting. First war crimes and now this. This is just trash, not lore.\r
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I doubt that only one person has this much say in the lore. Especially not when the company is this big behind it. \r
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Are you not familiar with Knaak's novels? Authors have nigh absolute freedom in their writing. They may have a script they have to follow, but dialogues, descriptions and details are all on them. \r
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It's actually embarassing to see people white-knighting Golden. She may be a decent writer, but she isn't as familiar with the universe as a writer should be. Someone has pointed out in previous thread how many liberties she allowed herself when describing Forsaken (which made them look like a sect). To top it of, she is extremely biased. Anduin in her presentation is an absolute angel in flesh, even Thrall in his prime had more flaws. Morally grey is a joke; with this kind of person as a head of writing department Alliance can be nothing but pure white. Hell, even Genn Greymane started to display compassion.\r
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This is true. When it comes to novel writing for any bigger studio, you're basically given a synopsis at the beginning and a look-over when it's done (usually by just a random editor). It's a LOT of freedom for anything you want as long as you don't break the basic storyline\r
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And Golden's Twitter is always filled with her liking and retweeting Anduin-angel-boy fanart. To the point that she's accidentally retweeted some... Uh shipping fanart of Anduin with villains like Garrosh lol ;; So she FOR SURE is biased, even if she doesn't 'mean to be'\r
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Lastly, I've found Sylvanas to be compelling for most of Warcraft, though I didn't really know what she was trying to do in Legion. Graymane suddenly reappeared to yell at her, which was really late but mostly welcome, and since then she's just kinda zeroed-in on destroying the entire Alliance AND her own people... I guess? I understood her bargaining with Helya as something to do with the val'kyr and their powers, obviously, but I still just don't really understand how she can do that, then show disregard to other Forsaken so blatantly? And have no other leaders actively showing any disgust or any emotion about it at all? \r
I dunno. I liked Sylvanas because she was blunt and brutal, keeping her people safe from everyone purging undead. But now she's more secretive and brutal so it's like... I don't see her motives anymore lol ;; This could always change, but I'm really worried that she's just gonna become a void pawn or something. I HOPE she can be a big anti-void hero instead but if they're going about it like Illidan (oh yeah he was totally a villain but WAIT even though he killed his own people he was just so good and he's actually really good look!) it's gonna be... Ech... Comment by GalenTheGrey Death to the Lich Queen. Comment by gangrelpup I would just like to take a moment to remind people that although Chritie Golden wrote the story none of it would\u2019ve been published unless Blizz gave their OK \u2013 so let\u2019s stop blaming the author when the creators have given their thumbs up\u2026. \r
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I am currently reading it and enjoying it thoroughly. Comment by Catmandu101 Can\u2019t wait to see the #$%^storm in these comments.\r
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Sad part is that you weren't wrong. Comment by dumenc
You're crying? You should've known this would happen in a game called WARcraft. Blizzard needs to keep war going if they want people to keep playing their game. You can't expect both factions to kiss and make friends then fight the Void etc. forever. War between factions is what got the brand popular in the first place. I personally don't care cause this is all just a game but I advise you to brace yourself for more tears in the next expansion then. If this can get you crying then boy are you in for a rough time.

"If Warcraft is only about a war, then Hearthstone is about rocks for building a fireplace". If you think Warcraft is a grim universe... Try Warhammer 40k. There is no place for emotions except heroism, fanaticism, sadism and fear. There is a true darkness and severity. But Warcraft is an epic fantasy with good, evil (lol kek, #morallygrey), happiness etc.

Ok, a war. We have it because of paranoia of Sylvanus. She tell us nonsense about bloodthirsty Anduin (one of the kindest characters in the whole setting). She kills her own troops. Oh, don't tell me 'she is a tactic' \u2014 she failed all her battles. She even killed a civils who just wanted to live like other living because her sisters rejected her and she doesn't want her people live happily. Useless bloodthirsty crazy envious tyrant. The worst warchief. I don't want such a war \u2014 there is no real reason. Even in Cataclysm we had better rationale.

yea, she's a cold hearth Removed, and that's what we need! (or we're going to need).
Who else will have the nerves to kill Azeroth soul and end the Void Lords threat? bcose that is what it's going to happen (imo) Comment by Arraya This is reason enough to put Sylvanas down. \r
idc about Teldrassil but this is on another level Comment by Rankkor Can\u2019t wait to see the #$%^storm in these comments.\r
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I don't. Guess who has to clean it up?\r
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So guys, be nice. Comment by saibakitsune \r
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It's actually embarassing to see people white-knighting Golden. She may be a decent writer, but she isn't as familiar with the universe as a writer should be. Someone has pointed out in previous thread how many liberties she allowed herself when describing Forsaken (which made them look like a sect). To top it of, she is extremely biased. Anduin in her presentation is an absolute angel in flesh, even Thrall in his prime had more flaws. Morally grey is a joke; with this kind of person as a head of writing department Alliance can be nothing but pure white.\r
It's even more embarassing to see people going on a witch hunt against the wrong person, specially if they don't know what they're talking about when they refer to her as "Head of Writting department", which she isn't btw (I think it's Steve Danuser, but i'm not really sure). It doesn't matter if she took liberties or if she is biased, in the end, she doesn't have the last word, so, if something was truely against Blizzard plans for their lore, they wouldn't allow it. Comment by Reizert Its a nice touch, they referenced the events in-game.

All this Sylvanas hate, i just drop my two cents here: If you want to blame someone for their deaths, you can blame Calia too, since if she didnt revealed herself at that time, the meeting would have been peaceful.

Minor point but, those forsakens who got rejected by their living relatives, and went back early, she didnt kill those, so its not everyone who got killed.

Sylvanas saw the leader of the Desolate Council talking to the sister of Arthas. Sylvanas has a history with that guy, so of course she is going to jump to conclusions. Though the writer made Sylvanas way to paranoid imo, but if you were a leader what would you think? I wouldn't really want people who has doubts or even working with the enemy in secret.

Actually reading Anduin's dialogues in the book, i have a strong impression, that if Sylvanas hadn't attacked, he would have done it eventually. Comment by shawngmc I would just like to take a moment to remind people that although Chritie Golden wrote the story none of it would\u2019ve been published unless Blizz gave their OK \u2013 so let\u2019s stop blaming the author when the creators have given their thumbs up\u2026. \r
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I am currently reading it and enjoying it thoroughly.\r
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Exactly. Remember Warcraft Adventures: Lord of the Clans? Where Deathwing smoked a hookah? Nope, because they shot that down.\r
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Instead of just arguing bias or implying the author isn't a good writer, let's try to read what they're getting at. Perhaps Sylvanas simply is a transitional leader; perhaps Vol'jin saw something even Sylvanas can't. Maybe Vol'jin saw all the loa showing something like 'we'll take the west, Alliance gets the east, and there will be LESS unnecessary war'. Maybe Sylvanas will find something that makes her 'whole' again, with respect to existence (when life isn't the end, it's hard to call it life). Maybe she's going to be driven from the forsaken because of how she uses them. Heck, for all we know, in a year or so, there may not be Horde and Alliance, just Azerothians. Or Azeroth could die! Or Azeroth being born could destroy the surface!\r
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Both the Horde and Alliance have had setbacks over time. We lack perspective - we look at the current patch and book. The Alliance used to be a large number of kingdoms. The Horde used to be orcs only. Things change! Change can be good or bad.\r
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TL;DR: Stop blaming and buckle up for the ride. It's one thing to say it doesn't feel morally gray, it's another to blame Blizzard or Golden. Comment by LilyMa1028 Christie is hired by BLIZZARD. She is told where the character is headed. She can't make those decisions on her own people. SHE didn't ruin Sylvanas, this was where the developers were headed with that character. Quit bashing on Christie Golden! Comment by Saruya Like Blizzard wouldn't have had creative control over a tightly integrated story featuring one of the expansion's main antagonists.\r
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But sure, QQ MOAR about Holden's writing...\r
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#rolleyes

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