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Fix for MoP and WoD Raid Scaling on the PTR

posted 2018/01/18 at 9:09 PM by perculia

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As many players have noticed, changes to how creature health is determined in Patch 7.3.5 had a meaningful impact on some older raid content. This has been particularly noticeable in Warlords of Draenor and Mists of Pandaria raids. We’ve been discussing this topic constantly since the first threads popped up after the patch.

We want to be clear: our intention was never to greatly increase the difficulty of soloing old raid content for transmog or mount runs, but a side effect of the creature health tuning we did for leveling players. We’re currently working on a fix that will significantly reduce the health of Warlords and Mists raid bosses.

Thank you for all of your feedback and discussion on this issue. We’re sorry for the frustration, and we’re working to have you all back in there beating down those old raid bosses as soon as possible (hopefully before the weekend).

MoP and WoD Raids

Player Level

% Reduction (at level)

7.41088181

7.64574409

7.877218933

8.10537911

8.330295293

8.552036202

8.770668606

8.986257345

21.54084226

32.65588955

100

42.19630522

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Comment by rodalphoWill that be enough to do it? Not to imply that the extra health is a problem on MoP worldbosses, it's actually rather nice there, but I know Sha of Anger for example had 7.63m health in patch 7.3.2, and these days it's around 35 million for a L110 player. It would need to be reduced by something like ~75% to return to the 7.3.2 values.

Maybe Sha isn't representative and they gave it extra health on purpose to help us out, I didn't check actual MoP raids yet.

Additionally, many player reports are that the damage buff in legacy pre-squish content was reduced in 7.3.5. Has that changed in the PTR?Comment by ArrayaWhy can't they somehow increase our damage against lower leveled mobs drastically instead of nerfing and taking away the challenge for players who are on par with the content? Wasn't there something like this pre-7.3.5?Comment by FistonladinFandral in the firelands as actually like 4 times it's original healthpool, these changes looks pretty weak to be quite honest.Comment by InterestWhy can't they somehow increase our damage against lower leveled mobs drastically instead of nerfing and taking away the challenge for players who are on par with the content? Wasn't there something like this pre-7.3.5?Comment by ArrayaWhy can't they somehow increase our damage against lower leveled mobs drastically instead of nerfing and taking away the challenge for players who are on par with the content? Wasn't there something like this pre-7.3.5?Comment by WinfreeTaking 3min to kill Horridon on 25m H ToT when my fastest kill is 16 sec is just gross.Comment by BonechillWill that be enough to do it? Not to imply that the extra health is a problem on MoP worldbosses, it's actually rather nice there, but I know Sha of Anger for example had 7.63m health in patch 7.3.2, and these days it's around 35 million for a L110 player. It would need to be reduced by something like ~75% to return to the 7.3.2 values.

Maybe Sha isn't representative and they gave it extra health on purpose to help us out, I didn't check actual MoP raids yet.Comment by canuck7kRan SoO to the Sha of Pride on the PTR with my pally - grabbed Tier Pieces and Trinkets in Dalaran before I went in so I had about a 946 ilvl, which is about 6 levels and a 4 set bonus higher than on live. I've been farming Mythic SoO for some mogs, so thought I might compare. Currently not subbed - just taking a break, so I can't compare this to live.

Felt Immersus and Protectors took a bit longer than usual, as did the Nourshen encounter (Amalgam had about 39 Million health), but all were somewhat reasonable. Given that I didn't have a few of my Macros and keybinds setup for the PTR, and the fact that the first two bosses have some mechanics in the encounters I could chalk some of it up to that.

Sha of Pride had about 50 million health, and I felt it took about the same amount of time as usual. No health issues (but his mechanic is just an insta-wipe right?).

I can't imagine what Amalgam in ToT must be like now...Comment by deiaeThere is a lot of gear to grab in legion. Gear will fix it if you cannot do it right away - especially as the hp gets readjusted down. Imho one really does not need to be able to solo every raid with a naked character. Many of the problematic bosses have still been soloed even with the extra health the last few days. Those logs are from live: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bvfPTnwLWMzg8Rq9/#fight=59&type=damage-done to demonstrate feasibility.
A lot of stuff is doable. 960 isn't even mythic geared. There are characters that are approaching 980 as we speak.Comment by wowiloveheadThank goodness it was an error, I was checking the days left on my account preparing to cancel if this was intentional.Comment by FilipseDoes it fix dungeon-loot not being forced into Personal even in private groups?Comment by Richmond79They need to change the chess event in Karazhan - the increased health makes Medivh’s pieces unkillable! World bosses like rukhmar are now also unkillable.

And what about the terrible changes to forced personal loot? They are leaving that in old dungeons after the outrage at what it’s done to Transmog collectors? Not enough Blizzard. Not enough.Comment by wolfbane777This part of the statement has been stuck in my mind since I read it yesterday:
"our intention was never to greatly increase the difficulty of soloing old raid content"

So while the actual effect of the change was probably unintentional given their past stance on solo farming old raids, the increased health itself seems planned.
While a slight increase wouldn't be an issue to most players. Hell, it might even make some old raid achievements easier since we basically one-shot bosses unless you hit them unarmed. But it remains to be seen how far back they're willing to dial the healthpools back.

Killing a boss in 15 seconds or 45 is no big deal, but going from instagib to wiping due to boss mechanics is obviously not what they had in mind, thankfully.

And yes, getting rid of personal loot for solo farm runs would be great, but I think that will remain wishful thinking for the time being.Comment by AgentkillerleeI would like to see Algalons HP/Damage scailing nerf a lot. Ive ran a few Herald runs, and 2minutes is roughly a kill, now 2minutes gets you to 91% on his hp bar. So the fight is impossible now to run Herald of the Titans, this really needs to be fixed too.Comment by Swordart21INCREASE DMG for mobs please they hits for nothing.Comment by Swordart21I would like to see Algalons HP/Damage scailing nerf a lot. Ive ran a few Herald runs, and 2minutes is roughly a kill, now 2minutes gets you to 91% on his hp bar. So the fight is impossible now to run Herald of the Titans, this really needs to be fixed too.Comment by PeredhilI would like to see Algalons HP/Damage scailing nerf a lot. Ive ran a few Herald runs, and 2minutes is roughly a kill, now 2minutes gets you to 91% on his hp bar. So the fight is impossible now to run Herald of the Titans, this really needs to be fixed too.Comment by DroseraThe people just totally cool with this make me laugh. Blizzard could do anything and fanboys would praise them for it.

It's funny how Blizzard devs admitted this whole change was unintended, but they're still not taking it back to the level it was before. My guess is this was intended, and they're hoping no one notices that it's still made worse than it was before 7.3.5

It's like someone carjacking you, but when you complain they agree to only take your wallet and you thank them for it.Comment by AmnesticThe answer to power creep for old content (if it even needs an answer at all) isn't "make it mathematically impossible". Algalon has a 6 minute enrage timer. That's not doable, at all, with level 80s now. Herald is impossible. If that was their intention they should have made that clear prior to the patch.Comment by LightGuardianLeveling is crap.

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