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Siege of Orgrimmar Loot Tables, Clarifications on Off-Spec and Upgradable Legendary Capes

posted 2013/08/02 at 3:07 PM by perculia

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Comment by Bobbyboy45494 Now we wait for the old expansion raids to be added to the Dungeon Journal.\r
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\/crickets Comment by c3zy2011 Good article Comment by MelEnt This sounds epic. Too bad I'm never going to do this encounter Comment by ganjalord please just end pandaria already so we can get back to old school WoW, so sick and tired of this crappy expansion. Comment by elonoil Please sort the lists... they're useless like that. Comment by brockwood2 @elonoil, the list is sorted... straight DOWN is what you can get in each teir raid (LFR, FLEX, NORMAL, HEROIC)... Can't wait! Comment by elonoil @brockwood2 I don't know what you see, but e.g. at Immerseus, there are raid finder, flex, heroic, plate, cloth, int, strength in random order. It would be nice to have it sortet by int, strength and by plate, cloth, etc. I have to hover over ALL items at Immerseus to see what normal cloth items drop at that boss.\r
By the way, why would I need to see all the different item levels? Just display normal modes and it's fine... Comment by zxxc Its a cool thing the flex has higher ilvl than LFR, CR raiding with friends if more beneficial :). Comment by perculia Sorting the gear takes a very long time from the raw information we get when datamining the dungeon journal. We're in the process of organizing tables more and several bosses are done.\r
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Also, raiders who don't really raid progression heroics may be interested to see if the lower ilvl-versions are upgrades over their current T15 gear or not, so we include all the datamined items. Comment by BosephHeyden please just end pandaria already so we can get back to old school WoW, so sick and tired of this crappy expansion.\r
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Define "old school WoW". If you mean go back to vanilla, that's obviously never happening. They're not going to remove features, because that would be stupid and drive off people who like them. Do you mean "doing the same thing over and over for six months to a year waiting for the next expansion"? Because that's the only thing I can think of.\r
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Also, I'm glad that they realized that most people would be taking a stat-loss on the cloaks as the current system exists. Making it possible to upgrade or just making them 608 is the correct thing to do. Comment by Shadowheart10 I, for one, am happy that Garrosh's shoulders are only going to be available in Normal and Heroic. That way, when I see someone in them, I know for sure they earned it. :D Comment by Harrowing I sure hope they do not keep the gear iLvl's as are, to go only 528 from 522 Valor Gear is literally pointless, especially looking at the stats on the casters gear and taking the upgrade system into consideration. Comparing my current items (Upgraded from 522 to 530) to the new LFR items is a downgrade for the most part (Some items have more Gem sockets though)\r
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The reason this is such a big issue is because who will actually bother with LFR anymore when they already have better gear from Shado-Pan Assault and Throne of Thunder. Add Flex Raids into the mix, and I highly suspect over 1 hour queue times for LFR will become the norm. Comment by Shadowheart10 I sure hope they do not keep the gear iLvl's as are, to go only 528 from 522 Valor Gear is literally pointless, especially looking at the stats on the casters gear and taking the upgrade system into consideration. Comparing my current items (Upgraded from 522 to 530) to the new LFR items is a downgrade for the most part (Some items have more Gem sockets though)\r
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The reason this is such a big issue is because who will actually bother with LFR anymore when they already have better gear from Shado-Pan Assault and Throne of Thunder. Add Flex Raids into the mix, and I highly suspect over 1 hour queue times for LFR will become the norm.\r
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The people who will actually bother with LFR will be 1) the ones who don't yet (and won't need to, once 5.4 hits) have any 522 gear from Normal ToT or SPA, 2) the people who want to upgrade their Siege LFR gear from 528 to 536 (which really makes the item upgrade argument null, unless I'm missing something), 3) those who want to see the new content but are probably not (yet) good enough for actual raiding, 4) valor cappers. I don't think Flex Raids will really affect LFR all that much.\r
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The apparent "issue" with the +6-7 ilvl is not new, nor unexpected, as it's what Blizzard has been doing the whole time. (Normal ToES gear is 496, LFR ToT is 502). No one who had an issue with this before (if anyone, because I haven't seen it. \/shrug), is still complaining about it now. It's not like it's having a major effect on anything. I think people are just griping to gripe, and once the content actually comes out, the vocal minority will quiet down.\r
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I am, of course, open to enlightenment if I'm missing anything. Comment by Edradred Multiples of the same legendary? With Blizzards currents stance on legendaries as "status symbols" to the point of not being able to transmogrify them, that they would also consider it to be an item they would not let you have multiples, just like how a fury warrior wouldn't get a red and a blue shadowmourne, or there was not a dps version of Val'anyr. Just my personal opinion, however. Comment by Harrowing The people who will actually bother with LFR will be 1) the ones who don't yet (and won't need to, once 5.4 hits) have any 522 gear from Normal ToT or SPA, 2) the people who want to upgrade their Siege LFR gear from 528 to 536 (which really makes the item upgrade argument null, unless I'm missing something), 3) those who want to see the new content but are probably not (yet) good enough for actual raiding, 4) valor cappers. I don't think Flex Raids will really affect LFR all that much.

1) I agree here, gearing alt's will be quicker.
2) Disagree, first you have to get the item to drop, then you have to pay Valor just to make it a tiny bit better than a currently equipped SPA item. Does not feel fair, especially if we have new VP items to grind VP for. (Which I'm guessing will be Flex Raid or higher quality) Unless you think that getting a item in LFR, then having to chose between upgrading it so its useful or buying a new significantly better item from the new Valor Point vendor is in anyway a good idea? (Not to mention ToES Valor Point Gear was 489, so quite a jump to 522 in ToT then 528 in 5.4 - You not seeing my point here?)
3) I'm more than good enough for raiding, yet its extremely hard to find a Guild these days that has room for more DPS. This seems to be a very well known problem and one of the reasons Blizzard are introducing Flex Raids. (A lot of guilds have only 10-man teams these days, if any team at all)
4) People who are purely after Valor Points do not normally bother running LFR, its quicker just to do Scenarios (1 HC, then spam Normal), so I am concerned like many others when the announcement of Flex Raids came out that it'll kill off LFR, which is pretty much guaranteed if the LFR gear is useless to the vast majority of players. (I'd be interested in knowing how many players do not bother with Alts as this would be a better indicator)

I'm only trying to raise concerns for discussion, which are all for the most part created by the introduction of Flex Raiding, which of course solves the problem of 10-man Teams not having openings yet I still worry. Maybe I've become far too accustomed to running LFR every week and I dread the day when the queue takes forever.

Edit: Do not forget ToES Valor Point Gear was 489, so quite a jump to 522 in ToT then 528 in 5.4, I had to double check this after posting as I could not remember what iLvl the Valor Point gear was in ToES Tier. This is pretty much my point. LFR gear has been made pointless, which I assume is entirely because Blizzard have had to fit Flexable and LFR under Normal now.

Multiples of the same legendary? With Blizzards currents stance on legendaries as "status symbols" to the point of not being able to transmogrify them
So soon, you'll be able to tell what type of class someone is just by looking at their backs! The Legendary status is no more, its something everyone wants, and will have now. IMO they should make the capes Epic Purples instead, nothing Legendary about something that almost every player has. Comment by perculia All the loot tables should be formatted nicely now, thanks for your patience. If you run a search on the PTR, the boss names should appear in the source column as well. Comment by Azrile I sure hope they do not keep the gear iLvl's as are, to go only 528 from 522 Valor Gear is literally pointless, especially looking at the stats on the casters gear and taking the upgrade system into consideration. Comparing my current items (Upgraded from 522 to 530) to the new LFR items is a downgrade for the most part (Some items have more Gem sockets though)

The reason this is such a big issue is because who will actually bother with LFR anymore when they already have better gear from Shado-Pan Assault and Throne of Thunder. Add Flex Raids into the mix, and I highly suspect over 1 hour queue times for LFR will become the norm.

Bunch of things you are wrong about.

1. You do not have 522 gear in all your slots
2. Your current 522 gear does not have tier bonuses
3. There is other gear above the 528 that you can get without raiding from timeless island.
4. Comparing your upgraded 530 gear to un upgraded 528 gear is stupid. There is no valor gear in 5.4 so you will be upgrading your drops immediately.

You are in the same position as me right now, probably an ilvl around 520-522 ( a bunch of 530s, a bunch of 510s). Within a month, our ilvles will be probably 540.. we will be getting 536 upgraded stuff from LFR, and 542 stuff from timeless island... and just as important, we will be getting our tier bonuses back that some of us lost when we went to the 522 SPA gear (from 502). Comment by Azrile Really nice job with the layout. And once again, thrilled to see my weapon drops from the very first boss. Comment by Harrowing Bunch of things you are wrong about.
1. You do not have 522 gear in all your slots
Speak for your self, every item except one is 522+. And none are from Normal Mode or above ToT. You get good items from HC Scenario's and Challenge Mode Dungeons in case you did not know. iLvl 524 once upgraded. The exception for me is literally only 1 iLvl 510 Trinket that has a good proc.
2. Your current 522 gear does not have tier bonuses
I agree that's a bit of a shame :(
3. There is other gear above the 528 that you can get without raiding from timeless island.
From the new world boss? I'll have to read up on exactly what the Timeless Isle offers, as so far all I've seen is Vanity Items, Extreme Grinding PvP and Pet stuff here on WoWHead News. (Hint to WoWHead to do us a nice Guide soon?)
Addition\/Edit: The gear you referred to is only 496 iLvL, according to WoWHead's own post about the gear. Although its BoA which is nice.
4. Comparing your upgraded 530 gear to un upgraded 528 gear is stupid. There is no valor gear in 5.4 so you will be upgrading your drops immediately.
Got a Blue post to back up your claim of no more usage of Valor Points for gear? (A quick Google search and I only found a rumour claiming this, nothing official) I'm pretty shocked that this will be the first Raid Tier in a long time to not have new Valor Point gear. If what you claim is true, it may well be the final blow I need from this patch to make me quit WoW.

You are in the same position as me right now, probably an ilvl around 520-522 ( a bunch of 530s, a bunch of 510s). Within a month, our ilvles will be probably 540.. we will be getting 536 upgraded stuff from LFR, and 542 stuff from timeless island... and just as important, we will be getting our tier bonuses back that some of us lost when we went to the 522 SPA gear (from 502).

Only if I do Flex Raids, which has ruined LFR iLvl's, a subject you avoided in your post, which was the entire point of my previous post...

Maybe only Time will tell, but I'm running low on confidence now, what with the extreme Warlock nerf (Nerf is actually a understatement, they've changed the entire gameplay style, our rotations, nerfed almost every spell), the Pokemon Island, the new Flex Raids, etc. Comment by Stubbly this flexible raid rubbish is getting on my nerves we don't need it!\r
what is the point? it's just more stuff that's had to be done and if you don't you feel like a failure, there should be one type of tier only! and two ways of achieving it, lfr or just a normal 10man, end off! that way no one feels left you because they don't belong to a good guild or like me ur realm is Dead! the other problem with all these types of raiding difficulties is we're never given time to even complete them before you know it it's 'oh next patch woo' NO! why do you think so many ppl are leaving? LK had it down to a T since then it's gone down hill. \r
and why I'm on it I might as well as just do away with pvp gear and let there be one type of gear! the game would be so balanced and allow ppl to fight on skill and not because of there gear and the more time they have to waste then the average person with a life, oh and finally get rid of that senario crap, what a rubbish idea that was! soooo boring! there just dungeons you can't deny it there worse dungeons that are 10x as boring good job blizz...

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