Upcoming Changes to Paladins in Shadowlands Beta - New Retribution Talents, Ashen Hallow Rework

Beta Posted 2020/08/26 at 2:49 PM by Squishei

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Class & Spell Changes

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The most prominent changes in an upcoming build will be two new talents for Retribution.

– A redesigned Execution Sentence brings back the iconic falling hammer, and delayed burst of large damage, on a 1 min cooldown.
– As discussed previously, Inquisition was slated for replacement, due to having its role largely supplanted by the classwide talent Seraphim. Look on row 50 for an entirely new active damage talent, Final Reckoning.

More minor changes:
– Ashen Hallow slightly reworked to be more normal AoE damage, as well as providing a stronger buff to Hammer of Wrath.
– Healing Hands (Ret) redesigned to buff both Lay on Hands and Word of Glory, and to have it effect scale continuously with target health rather than having a cliff.
– Bestow Faith (Holy) generates 1 Holy Power
– Light's Hammer (Holy) healing substantially increased
The second number in Healing Hands’s tooltip should read 200%. I believe it should be working correctly other than the toolip.

Comment by HuckleberrieLETS GOComment by genjosansoyooo i was here
:))) pally powerComment by shouwyThey need to make concecreation reward 1 holy power or remove it from the ret spec..Comment by VikingKingThe slow falling hammer, judging your actions in your Execution Stance. You have been judged and found worthy of pew pew.Comment by rilas27I know that one of the abilities had to go but I preferred Inquisition. I think I might be in the minority though.

I like the Bestow Faith change. HP gen for Holy doesn't feel great all the time. It would be fun to see Infusion of Light generate HP as well to see how it feels.Comment by DrumsticksGreat changes for holy pally. The bestow faith change should make you less reliant on the glimmer/Crusader's Might playstyle; it'll probably be really mana efficient too. It'll generate more holy power than crusader's might, but that should be offset by reduced crusader's strikes.Comment by AzraelUltimaHow did Light's Hammer turn into Echoes of Lordaeron?Comment by RevengeVFINALLY! I have despised Inquisition since it came into the game back in Cata. I am so so glad to finally see it die. It was never an interesting button to me and was just a "Press this button once every 30-60 seconds to do more consistent damage like other DPS specs" button.

Ashen Hollow still doesnt seem very good for any of the Pally specs. 5 throwing shields for Prot or even the Night Fae blessings in any of the specs out class it which is very unfortunate. I really would like to go Venthyr as I like their aesthetic but I am probably going to have to go Kyrian or Night Fae.Comment by AraihhSince when is it bad to have both inquisition and Seraphim? I actually liked the idea to have a proper amount of haste so my class doesnt feel like im falling asleep. Unnecessary change imo and id rather seen useless talents like Justicars Vengeance or Eye for an Eye be replaced.Comment by ratchet2Echoes of Lordaeron? What's that?Comment by yallayallaaEchoes of Lordaeron? What's that?Comment by LeftkeywestSince when is it bad to have both inquisition and Seraphim? I actually liked the idea to have a proper amount of haste so my class doesnt feel like im falling asleep. Unnecessary change imo and id rather seen useless talents like Justicars Vengeance or Eye for an Eye be replaced.Comment by LakaiyaYAS! I am so happy! I hated inq coming back and seeing it die AGAIN brings me SO MUCH JOY!Comment by preventor9For Ret Pallies: The impression I get is these tweaks are helpful, but not meaningful.

It's far too much effort with mechanics these days, in an un-melee friendly raid, to consistently line up the burst of Execution Sentence. High candidate to see little use.

Inquisition was mandatory for about half or BFA because devs couldn't figure out that some of the stats needed to be baked into the spec in the first place. Seraphim is just the new Inq. It doesn't particularly provide anything new except creating another window of dmg that will be used during wings and then just used on CD the rest of the time....so innovative.

Ashen Hallow zzzzzzzz

Healing hands just encouraged Rets to play stupidly. You or your target would either die half the time trying to gauge the 30% mark or you would use it as needed (as you're supposed to encourage variety play and assist healers) and most the time not benefit from it. This is a positive change, to a situational issue.

THANKS, I hate it.

The spec needs an identity. Either we're damage and we need a non clunky rotation with meaningful damage output, or we're hybrid/utility and you need to reward us and the raid with buffs and spells that enhance that. We bring nothing that a Hpal or Prot already don't with way more value than us. This is just the cracked version of MoP Ret, master of nothing. Do I even need to mention the GCD?Comment by zenterusIt's good that they are considering changes to Ashen Hallow but sadly not in the right direction. As long as it can't be moved by recasting or it doesn't get a significant CD reduction, it's gonna be a no goComment by preventor9Sorry I should have put it in past tense. Thank you for contributing to the conversation in a helpful way!Comment by KhetumStill no mobility change whatsoever, that's sad at this point. Having to choose between dying because we are too slow and surviving by bubbling more often or... surviving maybe because we can move decently twice every 40 sec. That doesn't feel good. Just make Cavalier baseline for Ret please, I guess we have to go Nightfae for the mobility, meaningful choice am I right?... Still not addressing aggro generation from Divine storm either, not even a single mention of it. That's not enough. And that's not really what paladins asked for imo. Inquisition has always been a love/hate relationship, and I welcome the change considering it felt so bad to pair with Seraphim.Comment by ThanatasgrThis isn't anywhere close to enough.Comment by Trafalgarmthe changes are really good that's what we waiting forComment by warcrafteelAH bestow faith granting some holy power eh? i'd be honored to take it then good sir! haha!