"The Titans weren't entirely 100% benevolent the whole time and despite saving the world then creating it for us... and creating us... and helping save it for us from Sargeras... well forget all that it's time to DITCH those losers! I mean, honestly, what have they ever done for us? Pssh. $%^&'em."
The anti titan path this expansion is taking is both retconning lore, and making no sense.
Like many "Centralist" people, who tend to keep quiet on the big topics as we agree with some things from each "side", I think you need a balance between Order and Chaos. Too much Chaos and you have instability, wars and all that. Too much Order and life is boring as heck. The Kyrian idea of an afterlife, for example, is my idea of Hell, but would suit those who like a life (afterlife?) ordered for them to follow, it would suit them well.As such, I think it makes sense that the Titans are not always right, per se. Though they tend to be beneficial, as "greater beings" they do so *because* we are useful. The books from Uldaman show they have a plan but are hiding it from us, and that they know they are not infallible. This does not mean that Fyrakk and the Primalists are right either - just that *some* of the things they say contain a grain of truth.There again, "the best lies are built around a grain of truth". When Alexander the Great met the great philosopher Diogenes, a great believer in Freedom of Speech, their conversation ended with "When Alexander asked him if he was not afraid of him, Diogenes asked if Alexander was a good thing or a bad thing. Alexander said he was a good thing, and Diogenes asked who is afraid of the good." After Ulduar, are we afraid of what the Titans might do?
Cool theory, Taliesin always has the best theories that respect the existing lore. :chad:
Yes let's face off against celestial god beings who made the aspects what they are, had a hand in the cultivation of the world, have the ability to destroy entire planets with the snap of their fingers (or the stab of a sword) and rip old gods out of the planet with their bare hands like a gardener would with a weed.What could possibly go wrong!
This falls on it's face when literally every other timeline is a hellscape compared to the one we have.The argument that "Oh the Titans don't CARE about us, they're working for themselves!" is absolutely %^&*!@ed when a Titan-aligned world is pretty beneficial to us. When their goal is for our world to not be destroyed it's pretty beneficial. Look at the other cosmic forces, one of them literally stabbed our planet and the others regularly spend their time trying ot turn it into an uninhabitable mess.It's like trying to argue that you should rebel against the beekeeper that keeps a hive in a nice condition because he just wants the honey.It's just rebelion for it's own sake and it's bizarre to see in this patch of all things when we've been shown multiple different timelines in that event. They're all nightmares.It's Danuser level SuBvErSiOn for it's own sake that doesn't actually work if you look at the previously written lore.Oh, and Invincible not breaking it's leg wouldn't stop a Lich King, since Nerzuhl was already there. Nor would preventing the culling have prevented any deaths, since they were all going to turn into ghouls. If anything Arthas not starting on his path to damnation would be worse, since there'd probably be less scourge infighting between the LK and the dreadlords, not that that infighting makes any sense in a post-Danuser "the dreadlords are Jailer agents" world.
Eons fringe dailies? Have I missed some aspect of the last patch? I do the thing with Soridormi, whats this about chromie dailies?
Yall do be careful with the Titans theories, Ive seen it drive Ytubers crazy in SL xpac to the point they'll destroy all WoW related stuff n go then head to FFXIV, them Totan theories be one hell of mental drug n it'll drive you mad. p.s joking btw
We've already had the whole "X is not totally awesome like we thought it was" with the Light, in Legion. How the Naaru forces the Light and their ideals on people, even against their wishes.So to turn around and try to do the same stuff with "Titans bad" is just... boring? Like it's creatively boring, and just storywise boring.
I hardly dislike this tree name, what a dumb choice of letters.
I really hate that the general WoW populace just hears the primalists say "the titans kinda naughty" and then fully accept that.The titans, as far as we know, have done zero of the things the primalists talk about, because almost everything that went wrong was the keepers' fault, not the titans'.No titans would have meant a corrupted world soul. That's literally the only thing you need to consider. The titans were trying to save one of their own, who was being corrupted by something "other".And then the primalists come along and spew some bull@#$% about the titans doing this or that and I guess Blizzard has just kinda forgotten that the keepers are not the titans. Odyn, for instance, is clearly not a very good guy, but he is not a titan. Tyr is responsible for following Odyn's orders in trying to enslave the dragons by making them conform to the path of order.Maybe, just maybe, Aman'thul or whoever instructed Odyn to follow this path, but ultimately Odyn seems very capable of free will, and as the Prime Designate, he is responsible for what happens on Azeroth.
I keep reading that titans are our characters' creators. Well, partially true.Existential question: to be means simply to fill the space on top of Azeroth?To be means to have the free will to think and act?The titans created robots. The old gods, via the curse of flesh set the foundations of free will.You could argue both the titans and the old gods are the creators/gods of our characters.And each side have their own agenda and we are expendable to both of them.The titans are infatuated with control and protocol. If something abstains, they are a button away from purging life from the world's surface (Algalon plotline).The titans' goals mostly align with the mortals', this doesn't necessarily make them the good guys. They make them a faction of common interests. They are also jailers of elements, locking them into the different planes. To our story they are the heroes, to the others their villains.And we get to pick a side. The dragons that have historically been helping us or the titans that after reforging azeroth never bothered with us again?