How Did Tier Sets and Legendaries Work Out in Sepulcher of the First Ones? - BDGG Thoughts

Live Posted 2022/05/23 at 2:30 AM by blooblahguy

BDGGLoot of the First Ones

Lozy - tank

Creation catalyst is very very good. Could have solved the "no 4p issue week 1" for RWF guilds. It felt like it opened kind of late in general.Tier Sets, What Should Change?

Earth - DK

Their acquisition, allowing them to be traded by someone with the requisite ilvl of that slot, even if it isn't tier. Also having the Jailer drop a universal Tier token could've solved some issues caused by having 2 of the pieces unavailable during heroic week.

Dorovon - Mage

I would have liked to see less overlap with tier set slots and other desired items. Increasing the number of tier pieces could have solved this, but ensuring that all legendaries had at least one or two slots that did not overlap with any tier pieces would have solved most of the issue.The Timing of Double Legendaries

Honorax - Hunter

I think the idea of having double legendaries kick in after the tier ended was a great idea in theory. Most tiers in recent memory have had soft nerfs that make them easier over time without requiring direct boss nerfs -- things like Shards of Domination, or new Soulbind traits, etc.

Earth - DK

Double legendary should've been available from the start of the tier, so that Blizzard could do 1 set of balancing and have it be valid for the entire patch, rather than having to balance for either pre or post 2x legendary and having one of those be very imbalanced.Looking Forward

Honorax - Hunter

If I can be selfish for a moment, I'd love to see Blizzard do something further to mitigate the importance of heroic splits and tier funneling. It's self-inflicted, but it's something we need to do to remain competitive, and part of game design is saving the players from themselves.Dinar System

Dorovon - Mage

Personally, I would probably prefer if the Puzzling Cartel Dinars were not a limited form of currency, but that you could never have a full set of gear using these coins through a unique-equipped system. By making the currency limited, I think there will be some frustration from players where they purchase something like a weapon and then get a weapon from their Great Vault the following week.

Lozy - Tank

It puts more respect on player's time by putting the choice in their hands, and gives players a chance to "activate" their classes earlier by getting that one large piece (examples here being sylv daggers, jaithys, jailer mace, basically and weapon/trinket that gives a substantial amount of power). I think I would argue that only 3 pieces for an entire season is too few.

Comment by hashtagfredRace to world first had its issues. But seems like for everyone else it has worked great. At least by the time the creation catalyst kicked in. Hope Blizzard keeps that system around in some form or anotherComment by DhrallIn PvP I can tell you it’s been an absolute disaster. I actually play LoL now for the first time in 3 years. Wow arena is such a *!@#show, I just can’t anymore..Comment by nicocpossI get that the catalyst was delayed for the RWF to not get done too quick but for me, I'd say the catalyst was released too late.

And I'm not even one to complain, I had the 4 parts way before that.Comment by TOMRUSAnother confirmation that sepulcher raid is very overtuned. Raid should never be tuned around gated systems like tier sets and double legendaries.

If it was properly tuned from get go without taking into account tier sets and double legendaries they would not have to nerf it again and again and again for regular players to be able to complete it. Hell, it is still overtuned even after players got all the gear, sets and legendaries and multiple nerfs were applied... My guild disbanded recently because of this mess.Comment by grayshirtHaving the last boss drop a universal token is obviously a good idea. It's also something they've done in the past. I'd be really interested in hearing the Dev Team's thoughts/reasoning as for why not to include a wild card token in this tier.Comment by lovelywazWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.Comment by GrothrillAwfull but that was to be expected from the developers. anothers awfull idear of Shadowlands content.Comment by VSozonovWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.Comment by Tsuda373Back, Boots, Wrist and Feet should also be able to activate set bonus. like... cap it at 2 and 4 set like your regular tiers, but have 9 slots to choose from like Covenant Armor sets. this should make it easier to mix and match if you want to min-max.

PS: didn't they once mentioned that they dont want to restrict slots to players? i recall reading that it was the excuse to ditch Tier Sets for BFAComment by cheiniihonestly? my main issues with tier is i cant use zereth mortis items and be op at the same time
like as sp my legiondary is on head + waist, tier is on other 4 slots obv but then +10% gold item is on chest.. jump on wrist.. shoulder for treasure disc or etc in zm..
i dont want to switch my sets the whole time but in a way have to :(Comment by AlakeiThancanThe last tier that used more than 5 tier pieces was Sunwell Plateau in The Burning Crusade. It was well received back then, maybe it could see a comeback in modern wow.Comment by lovelywazWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.Comment by LuniiWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.Comment by BlueMonkReward systems and endgame activities need to be rethought.
In 2022 you shall be able to farm raid like m+Comment by ArasakaDEHow they worked out? Arena is unplayable and you can throw alot of classes/specs in the garbage.Comment by dlbert2000Tier sets were stupidly unbalanced and still areComment by SaadiaThey could open the raid on tournament realm and tell them to compete there but the majority of world first guilds would stay on live because it's just more prestigious and more fun to get the ranking in a real game.Comment by DotOrgWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.Comment by zugzugzuugRace to world first had its issues. But seems like for everyone else it has worked great. At least by the time the creation catalyst kicked in. Hope Blizzard keeps that system around in some form or anotherComment by BullseyedWe'll go over raid length in another article, but suffice it to say that raiders want a less than 2 week tier.