Dragonflight Hunter Talent Tree Clarifications and Updates

Dragonflight Posted 2022/07/11 at 1:21 PM by Squishei

Maizou: Butchery has more damage frontloaded, but by choosing it, it invalidates like 4 or 5 other talents that only affect Carve, not Butchery. And those talents are required to access better talents, one of the talents you get negatively impacted to choose Butchery for is Coordinated Assault - our main cooldown. So we essentially have to choose completely dead talents if we spec into Butchery, in order to access better talents. This is likely just a problem with the text on the blog post. Anything that affects Carve or Butchery will affect both of them. The text on the tooltip will switch.

Maizou: The only thing that sticks out to me is Serpentstalker’s Trickery is available, yet in order to access Explosive Shot, you have to spec into Serpent Sting, meaning if MM wants Explosive Shot, Serpentstalkers is useless to them. Perhaps add some interaction with Serpentstalkers if you spec into Serpent Sting? Like, if you spec into Serpent Sting, Serpentstalkers will fire a Sting at one additional target? A change has already been made to no longer have Serpent Sting be the only path to Explosive Shot.

Comment by hashtagfredFeel the like the butchery carve distinction was nitpicking and jumping the gun. Almost all ability replacing talents still work with the interaction the original ability hadComment by MikhailovThis is good! this is an example of feedback being responded to and acted on. Lets keep that in mindComment by NeedlefireI like that its actually being addressed that the Hunter tree is a mess compared to other class/specs but why is only Survival and MM being addressed?

BM's tree is a joke, it is filled with baseline abilities and nothing special or noteworthy at all. Its boring and might aswell be unchanged from the current talents offered in game.

After playing Hunter for so many expacs why should I be excited about my class in Dragonflight? Give us something to be excited about. Honestly after Shadowlands and now the look at the talent tree I wonder if Blizzard actually wants anyone to play Hunter at all.Comment by Atiaens#SaveWildSpiritsComment by datomataxThe entire hunter talent tree felt messed up. Looking at survival tree talent placement felt arbitrary, without offering any interesting or compelling niche or rotation, as well as some talents being outright wrong and seemingly being unable to interact with one another.

Not saying this to disparage anyone's work, it just feels like this talents were made in deadline mode and the expansion release date as a whole feels rushed.

Hopefully we'll see something on the beta that addresses this issues.Comment by siggijg123In my opinion they should still exchange a few things in the MM tree.
Why do you have to skill "Killing Bow" to skill Multishot? Blizzard should also trade Double Tap with Wailing Arrow. Also some deff talents would be coolComment by Mardux11Maybe if attention is brought to this problem with a small part of the surv tree, Blizzard will care about the same exact problem with nearly the entire shadow priest tree.

I'm kidding. We all know they won't care about shadow.Comment by redfinaleI like that its actually being addressed that the Hunter tree is a mess compared to other class/specs but why is only Survival and MM being addressed?

BM's tree is a joke, it is filled with baseline abilities and nothing special or noteworthy at all. Its boring and might aswell be unchanged from the current talents offered in game.

After playing Hunter for so many expacs why should I be excited about my class in Dragonflight? Give us something to be excited about. Honestly after Shadowlands and now the look at the talent tree I wonder if Blizzard actually wants anyone to play Hunter at all.Comment by CazkainWhen will the tools be updated?Comment by PurinzuYesss, thank you. I hate dots.Comment by KledTY for the quick answer to the communityComment by TruocThis is nice and all, but it still doesn't help the MM tree in any capacity as it's so bottom loaded and insanely expensive.Comment by SiscokidWell, my only question for Surv is whether or not any abilities will be made weapon-neutral for 'em. For example, if I have a 2-handed spear, will I be able to use Steady Shot still or would I need to use a bow? And vice versa, by equipping a bow, would I still be able to use Raptor Strike or Mongoose Bite? Et cetera for the rest, this is currently a problem in SL because we start with ranged abilities as a Hunter, but then ditch them entirely because we pick up a pokey stick... despite some of our ranged abilities in Surv having us pull out a hand crossbow to use them.

I'd like it to be able to use these ranged abilities if only to be filler for melee-unfriendly periods in fights, and maybe this can give dual-wielding to Surv players that want it. Otherwise, we'll just have dead abilities again in DF. And if a Surv wants to use a bow, it could be possible for them to pull out a stock hand axe or dagger for whatever melee abilities they wish to use, much like the hand crossbow for ranged attacks.Comment by GassmaskAlso, a major issue with the survival tree is how bad the "deadly duo" talent is compared to both other specs ways of getting kill shot procs. We are required have to spend a total of 12 points just to be able to have a 3% chance at getting cdr to do more aoe dmg with wildfire bomb? I don't mind the change to where we reset bombs with kill shot, but really a 3% chance on an ability that does negative dmg for us (Kill command) to be tied to the reset even feels bad now with the current tier. Lastly, my biggest issue with how bad the talent system is for survival is the number of 3-point talents required we have. The survival tree alone has 10 choices all with 3 points required that's legit 30 points of damage amplifications- not even interesting interactions(also majority in the middle which makes us not even able to choose our questionable final talent choices). Whoever made the survival tree should have been working side by side with the outlaw tree maker to learn a thing or two about the point value of meaningful choices. These are some of the worst values on abilities that I've ever seen in talent systems. Hopefully, they listen to the players that actually liked playing the class for the past 10 years. Back to BM Jail for all of us hunters if nothing changes.Comment by ArchieAngelYesss, thank you. I hate dots.Comment by ArchieAngelWell, my only question for Surv is whether or not any abilities will be made weapon-neutral for 'em. For example, if I have a 2-handed spear, will I be able to use Steady Shot still or would I need to use a bow? And vice versa, by equipping a bow, would I still be able to use Raptor Strike or Mongoose Bite? Et cetera for the rest, this is currently a problem in SL because we start with ranged abilities as a Hunter, but then ditch them entirely because we pick up a pokey stick... despite some of our ranged abilities in Surv having us pull out a hand crossbow to use them.

I'd like it to be able to use these ranged abilities if only to be filler for melee-unfriendly periods in fights, and maybe this can give dual-wielding to Surv players that want it. Otherwise, we'll just have dead abilities again in DF. And if a Surv wants to use a bow, it could be possible for them to pull out a stock hand axe or dagger for whatever melee abilities they wish to use, much like the hand crossbow for ranged attacks.Comment by FrawtariusThis is a borderline troll post, considering how &*!@ the hunter trees are. Thought they actually did something useful.Comment by BethiaI'm looking forward to the Hunter 'wishlist' article that covers BM, MM and Survival. Any ETA on that?Comment by MoonstakerI'm literally not surprised that a Hunter couldn't figure out that Carve talents would also affect ButcheryComment by SlimTimDoWorkI can't speak to survival, but for the main class tree, I feel that the middle of the tree is too bloated with a bunch of junk talents. Pet HP, MD to pet, trap jank, etc. They should get more creative there and make it interesting.

But then the biggest thing that stood out to me is in the MM tree, they have Double Tap as a centerpiece talent at the very bottom. That alone is weird, but it's locked behind a whole bunch of AOE stuff. Double Tap is great for ST, but you just can't get it if you're trying to go for a patchwerk build. Very odd design choices, imo.

OH! And then you can take Kill command since it's at the very top of the class tree, but why would MM ever want to use KC? It just doesn't make any sense. That should have been in the BM/SV tree.