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Comentario de 7067_

Seduction is one of the staple skills of an Affliction or Destruction based warlock that uses a Succubus. It's most common uses are for "Seduce Nukes," but Seduce is also very useful for interrupting spellcasts.

Seduce lasts on average 30 seconds in PvE, and suffers no diminishing returns. It is only usable on humanoid targets.

In PvP, Seduce can be used a maximum of three times on a target before the target becomes immune for 15 seconds from diminishing returns. Seduce will not last for more then 12 seconds in PvP, but can be broken via some PvP trinkets, Will of the Forsaken, and any other skills that will break a charm effect or dispel a magic effect.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Kangi##DELIM##

Comentario de 6984

A very good crowd control, due to the fact that it's instant cast - very useful in PvP, and is one of the reasons for using a succumbus as a minion in the first place.

Comentario de Delandel

Although seduce is on the same diminishing return as fear, something warlocks forget to take advantage of is seduce gives them a second CC to use simultaneously in PvP. You can seduce one target, fear another, and kill a third.

Comentario de 15213

To the above posters: This spell IS NOT INSTANT CAST. It has a 1.5 second cast time, and it has always been that way.

Comentario de lightsage

is there a mod that constantly casts seduction, i am tired of switching back and forth...

Comentario de 9133

Consider the use of focus targeting to make seduction a lot easier. I've been trying to help someone so he can make use of this macro or one like it, but he's having trouble with it. I don't have a warlock, so maybe someone can help here:

/focus
/cleartarget
/cast Seduction

The idea is to make it so if you rightclick the macro icon it'll focus your current target. Clear target because you don't want to accidentally attack the same mob. (I've done that with my mage. lol) You can then target any other mob or a friendly, and when you leftclick or even press your keybind for this macro, it'll seduce your focus target.

If this macro doesn't work, maybe someone else can clear up the rest.

Comentario de 115898

It's not mentioned here but it seems that seduce is a channeled spell.

Comentario de 149073

One useful but semi-obvious point regarding "breaks on damage": seduction will not break if you change curses to a non-damaging curse. I.e., you can cast CoT, CoS, CoElem (etc) on a seduced target without worry. (Obviously does not apply to CoA.)

Comentario de 186909

Probably one of my favorite things to do in 2's with my mage partner is cast this with a polymorph on the healer, and drop a piroblast/soul fire on wichever of the two we want. I usually immediately follow with a shadowfury/shadowburn and my partner (a 3 minute mage) with a PoM-Piro/Fireblast. Amazing Burst damage lots of fun. The reason i like this better than fear is because it keeps the target in place for the long cast so it doesn't go out of range.

Comentario de 151016

Seduction is channeled after its 1.5 second cast time, meaning that the Succubus cannot move or perform any other actions while seducing. However, it DOES NOT lose casting time when the Succubus is attacked (I just tested this.) Any spell interrupts will still stop the casting.

With regards to the auto-cast behavior, the Succubus seems to follow this pattern (with auto-cast turned on, obviously):

-If there is one target on the "attack list" of the succubus (that is, either you have told it to attack only one target or only one target has attacked you if the succubus is in defensive stance, etc.,) it will attack the target normally without using seduction.

-If you set it to attack one target and then a second, it will cast Seduction on the FIRST target you set it to attack, and continue to cast if Seduction runs out or is broken until:
a) target 1 is immune because of DR's
b) target 1 is dead (in which case it will attack target 2) or
c) target 2 is dead, in which case it will continue to seduce target 1 until the current Seduction spell cast has run out or breaks, and then it will attack target 1

With three or more targets, things get very complicated very quickly, but in general, the Succubus will Seduce the second-to-last vulnerable mob it is ordered to attack. Personally, I find the AI to be extremely intelligent and very useful in PvE once you get used to it. In PvP, it is less useful because you will typically have much more changeable battle plans, but it is still helpful to take a bit of pressure off your hands. All in all, this is one of the best, most well-thought-out, and useful AI's on any auto-cast I have seen. Kudos to whoever at Blizzard did this one.

Comentario de Bryrida

After WotLK this spell is instant cast if you put 3 points in 'Improved Succubus', But it also no longer increases the effectivness of Soothing Kiss or Lash of Pain anymore =/

Bad trade? In my opinion, yes. In most opinions, No.

Comentario de 146819

This spell needs to be changed. It either needs to be an Instant-cast Channeled spell with a longer duration (15 seconds is OK for CC early on, but in things like Heroic Mode and Raids it's going to take you a bit more than 15 seconds to take out the other one), or a 1.5 second cast that ISN'T Channeled. Honestly, the Succubus is meant to be a melee DPS pet, not a "stand there and keep that mob from doing anything" pet.

Comentario de Vylea

The good news is, that if you spec into the succubus, you can get an instant cast seduction as of 3.0.3 in addition to increasing its duration by a whopping 30%. For locks, this makes the pet a great spell interrupter, in addition to an underhanded control method.

Now, all they need to do is separate it from the DR of Fear since they apply separate effects!

Comentario de 120816

With the release of Wrath of the Lich King, all grimoires where taken out of the game. You pet will now automatically learn their new ability and the new level of it.

Comentario de 281219

I was wondering.. does drain mana break seduction? guess it would be useful againt some classes (disc priest for example). don't now too much about warlock yet so correct me if i'm wrong =)

Comentario de 239783

Blizzard said that they are planning to make the Succubus an more useful pet in future patches.

Hopefully they make Seduce like Fear and only breaks after a certain damage treshold.

Seduce has very bad synergy with the new Conflagrate Glyph.

Comentario de wuphonsreach

Here's the macro that I use on my warlock. If you have a focus target already defined, it will seduce that target. Otherwise it will make your current target the focus target and then seduce that target.

This allows you to re-seduce a mob, without having to change targets in the heat of battle.

#showtooltip Seduction
/clearfocus
/focus ;
/clearfocus
/petstay
/petfollow
/cast Seduction; Seduction

Comentario de 520132

This spell was cast on you when you bought WoW. Blizzard's version is instant cast and unlimited duration.

Comentario de Bryrida

On the Cataclysm Beta of WoWHead, the duration of Seduction is 30 seconds, I wonder if they're increasing the duration to make up for getting rid of Improved Succubus. And it also seems that Seduction only costs 100 mana in Cataclysm, Yay! Not nearly as much waiting for the Succubus' mana to go up to seduce. Seduction is also a 2 second cast spell now (1.5 before 4.0, with Improved Succubus filled it was 0.51 seconds).

Comentario de Lutenantj

since it hasn't been mentioned yet, id like to say that whenever your succubus casts seduction, after the 1.5 second casting time and before the channeling pose, your succubus will shake her ass and then procede to slap it.

Comentario de 646774

Goodsir, a little bit improved version, take a look
/focus
/clearfocus
/click MultiBarLeftButton9
/petattack
/petstay
/petfollow

MultiBarLeftButton9 is reference to second (below) macro in the actionbar. Here is the list of actionbars: Action_bar_button_names

second (pet spellcasts) macro:
#showtooltip
/cast Fire Shield
/cast ;Consume Shadows;Sacrifice
/cast ;;Devour Magic;

Comentario de gemanoma

Love this spell :3

Comentario de Bryrida

This spell (along with the Shivarra's Mesmerize) will receive a 30-second cooldown after patch 6.0 unfortunately, in an attempt to cut back on the amount of CC in the game.

At least they didn't remove it altogether like Hunter pets' CC I guess...

Comentario de Dbase

Not to be confused with "Succubus: Seduction".

Which is learned at level 26.

Comentario de 1064648

The funny thing is the Succubus can even cast this at level 20, which is when you can first summon her (rather than supposedly learning it at level 26). It's on some type of hidden auto cast when you get stunned or CCed; you just can't control it or turn it off until level 26. This has been the case for quite some time.

Comentario de Thottbot

anyone know if suduction will work on a mob that has been feared

Comentario de Thottbot

can you drain all their mana away while thier seduced? if so that would be awesome against casters

Comentario de Thottbot

I think u can drain mana while the victim is seduced, it says "Seduces the target, preventing all actions for up to 15 sec. Any damage caused will remove the effect. Only works against Humanoids" mana drain is not causing damage.
im not sure ofc, just started a lock, got succubus today. got to wait 6 lvl's before i can buy the grimoire for seduction.

Comentario de Thottbot

It is the same thing with freezingtrap + vipersting, it does break.
Manadrain is damage too.

Comentario de Thottbot

Somebody got their ass kicked by a lock I presume XD

Comentario de Thottbot

u can fear a seduced target. that can make u get more out of the time

Comentario de Thottbot

I took a couple of duels with my friends (on alliance side, so no wotf), and after I used Seduction a few times (or maybe one?) they became immune to it.

So my question is, how many times I can use the skill before they become immune, and how long does the immunity last?

Comentario de Thottbot

I am a 57 lock, and i havent yet found out how you seduces your target. By that i mean wich buttons 2 press, so she seduces right away?

Comentario de Thottbot

If your Succubus is dies after seducing something, will the seduce wear off?

Also....can you seduce a level 60 if you are level ....30?

Comentario de Thottbot

I like seduction a lot because it is great for giving u enough time to first aid yourself and then get off a soul fire (with the talent that makes its cast time go to 4 from 6 it is so so so good).I find it good to leave your succubus passive most of the time (and stealthed thus safe) so you can seduct at will without people killing it. but the odd lash of pain is still in good order :)

Comentario de Thottbot

Is a very usefull spell (as said above).
Thing is u can even use it faster if u bind it to a button. The only drawback is that if you use it more then twice it will almost loose its effect. Compared to Poly and sap for example. But lotsa people belive seduction needs a nerf (me one of them)... or not the seduction the dammage that a warlock can do (destruction warlock) With this spell. Like a mage can not poly targets and let the health still be the same, it regnerades! Rogues can stunlock, but its not a single spell u need to follow it up in a good timing. So lets say seduction is one of the most powerfull spells in the game. Its just how you use this thing that change it, you can mostly kill any rogue or warrior with the same gear as you. Seduce, shadowbolt spam. But it still can go wrong, the pvp trinket is usefull it this situations, and as mages get imba trinkets, they cant break it, but they can kill the warlock in 3-5 hits. Warriors get alot of resistence now, Rogues usually vanish from it and hunters use feign death and in seconds you are in an icebox. So is this spell really so powerfull as it seems to be, or is it just that we think it is?

Comentario de Thottbot

By now, every spell that's got deminishing returns (fear, seduce, polymorph etc.) works like this:

1st time: Full effect.
2nd time: 1/2 effect.
3rd time: 1/4 effect.
4th time: Immunity for 15 sec.

The deminishing returns reset after 15 sec.

Comentario de Thottbot

I've never tried this but it would be cool to seduce the target, drag them into the water and cast unending breath on yourself as they die.

Comentario de Thottbot

They won't drown, it is a possibility, but not likely,, if you have her use her invisabilaty and seduce, its not always gonna last for the whole duration, and they won't normaly drown in that time anyway. If you KEEP using seduce, you might, but blizz might have figured this out and made it so they can't, like in some other games I had. They might see it coming and run away, stealth, cast, shoot or water walk.

Comentario de Thottbot

Does CoA and Corrution or any other affliction spells that do damage break this?
thx

Comentario de Thottbot

Yeah, ANY damage done will break the effect.

Comentario de Thottbot

If the succubus has this spell on auto-cast, when we she cast it? Can the succubus tell when a player has a DoT on him?

Comentario de Thottbot

She will auto cast when you have multiple targets. If you are damaging both targets she attacks the one you command her to attack of the one who came last as the first should be your main target. She will auto attack a single target on not cast seduce until you tell her to. I wish their was an interface to allow this to be seduce single targets at will until damaged by self, for example when getting ganked by rogue or when you detect them.

I am having so many difficulties with choosing succubus vs felguard because of this skill. I have been sapped long enough to have my felguard killed, then stunlocked til death. I had +300 spell damage gear but I couldn't attack the whole time. Seduction would have kept the rogue busy until I could break from stealth.

Comentario de Thottbot

helps out a lot with warriors who use their fear immunity spells

Comentario de Thottbot

can a succubus be affected by a rogues blind ability? cos that would giv some time for the rogues to do a little stunlock on the warlock then run and try again.

Comentario de Thottbot

Im preferring the "drop a freezetrap to remove the succubus threat" plan and then jus annhilate the warlock with shots. The pet can pee against the frozen statue if need be. Failing that, if seducation is channeled, doesnt that mean its broken when shes attacked? (pet)

Comentario de Thottbot

Can this be resisted with high shadow resistance AND/OR with shadow damage absorbing potions ?
Is there a way to break this after one has been afflicted by it via a skill or talent ?
Is there a way to prevent this via a skill or talent ?

Comentario de Thottbot

>DESTRUCTION WARLOCKS ONLY!<

Try this out...

Seduct
+Curse of the elements
Then get to max range
Soul Fire (1) + Immolate + Incinerate (2) +conflagrate then when thier on top of you Shadowfury
High spell crit is a must (3)
If even one of them crits,(4) your target is royally f**ked
Happy Hunting :)

1 pray Pryoclasm procs it doesnt need to but it helps $#itloads
2 if you have it
3 15% or higher id recommend but you can do it with less
4more so soul fire, conflag or incinerate more less immolate

Comentario de Thottbot

In case you have dots on your enemy but still want to use this conflagrate removes immolate and a simple CoS or CoW will remove a CoA but be careful with Curruption!

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Seducción

Seducción

20 Energía	Alcance de 30 m

Hechizo de 1.7 seg

Seduce al objetivo y le impide toda acción durante un máximo de 30 s. Todo daño infligido elimina el efecto. Solo funciona contra humanoides.

Lanzamiento automático:
Se lanza contra objetivos que atacan, aturden, silencian o aterrorizan a su amo.

(Clic derecho para activar)

Mejora

Seducción	Magia

Embelesado.
30 segundos restantes

Detalles de hechizos

Duración

30 segundos

Escuela

Sombras

Mecanica

Dormido

Tipo de disipación

Magia

Categoría GCD

n/d

Costo

20 Energía

Rango

30 metros (Medium)

Tiempo de lanzamiento

1.7 segundos

Reutilización

n/d

GCD

0 segundos

Efecto

Apply Aura: [Stun]
Multiplicador JcJ: 1

Banderas

No puede ser utilizado mientras se este cambiado de forma
[Heartbeat Resist]
Canalizado
No genera amenza
[Track Target in Channel]

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