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Kommentar von Toldry

Many things happened in this staff.

Kommentar von 264431

Long ago in a Distant Land... I, Aku, the shape-shifting master of darkness, unleashed an unspeakable evil!

Funny that Druids are shape-shifters.

Kommentar von 262083

Continuing the trend of Fantastic names for Druid staves...

Kommentar von 357803

First there was Journey's End, and now Distand Land o.O

Kommentar von 169612

you forgot https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/item=22988

Kommentar von 471113

My Main is a Hunter, and my alt is a Druid. So I know who could use this more and that's druids. Kitty DPS and Fury Bear Tractor Tank BOTH benefit far more from this staff then a hunter would. I can honestly say that with my hunter that the ONLY way I would get this would be either A: all the druids have it already or B: none of the druids stupidly don't want it.

Kommentar von 167701

My hunter won't take a melee weapon like this over a druid any more than my rogue will take a ranged over a hunter, given that they are well used in both cases, and for the same reason. I play all those classes and know which matters most for who.

I've seen this argument many times before and a multitude of items, and strait from the start, hunters should defer melee weapons to melee classes before taking them themselves, if hunters ever expect to receive the same respect regarding ranged weapons.

If it's a pug and you really really want it, go ahead, but don't expect to be treated any better in the future, or complain if that day comes, call it karma if you like.

There is no point letting the debate continue, as most people will simply do as they choose, and this thread will not change that.

GL to everyone who wants this excellent weapon, and yes that includes the hunters.

Kommentar von Nulgar

*edit* Interestingly, saregos has a different opinion when it comes to ranged weapons

No, I just posted it on heroic Distant Land, and later stumbled upon Hersir, another Agility 2H. One doesn't have to rephrase everything if the same text works as reply to various comments. (And yes, the "good for hunters" comments most likely are on every Agi 2H)
I just linked a general search to include a wide variety of weapons, especially as this one bow in ICC25 has a ranged proc.
Also, did you seriously not grasp the sarcasm?
For a melee, the melee weapon will in many many, too many cases be the far larger upgrade than for the hunter, while the same holds true for hunters and ranged weapons.
And even then, it means only waiting two to four weeks for that secondary weapon.

If the hunter is using a 232 and the druid a 251, the question of who it's a bigger upgrade for becomes much more nebulous.

Not really, actually.
Loot in question is Hersir.
Let's say the hunters has Reclaimed Shadowstrike (which is even a bad hunter weapon for its iLvl because of the melee proc)
+1 Agi, +11 Sta, 3 Sockets + yet unknown bonus, 64 crit exchanged with 52 hit, +45 ArP, +188 AP
on condensed: sockets, some ArP and ok, a good chunk of AP.
Now let's say the druid has Lightborn Spire: ah, let's scrap the analysis of the stats, just look at the 385 AP boost the druid would get just from the weapon DPS alone!

A feral has always priority on melee weapons, just like a hunter has priority on ranged weapons. Or, to turn your example around, how would you feel if you had an iLvl 251 weapon, and then a new rogue comes into the guild with a blue gun, and is allowed to roll on an iLvl 264 crossbow, even if just with a /rnd 50? (an example for how guilds can handle "need" of trial members)

PS: Or to quote WoW.com:

if an actual melee class needs one of these, they should get priority over us. Yes, I know the weapons are great, but for us it's just a stat stick; the melee folks will actually use the stats and the DPS. That said if you're willing to let the melee have Zod's Repeating Longbow before you, then I guess you can try to grab your melee weapon before them.

Kommentar von 35800

The problem with dualwielding is the slot modifier and the fact that melee weapons simply are stat sticks to hunters. A hunter gets 86% of the itemization points from dualwielding compared to using a 2H. At this level that's starting to hurt a bit.

The heroic version of this weapon is obviously BiS for hunters, but that's simply due to it's freakish item level. The normal version is easily beaten out by heroic Archon/Hellion glaive and is a pretty small upgrade from Quel'delar. Considering how easy heroic Archon glaives are to come by it's effectively BiS for most hunters however.

I've never been a big fan of the "it's better than what I have" thinking and I'm not taking this before our ferals have it. You're not doing your raid any favours by grabbing everything that's better than what you're using and this weapon clearly is better off in the hands of a feral druid.

Kommentar von Aisenfaire

This weapon is BIS for cat druids until they can kill Arthas for Tainted Twig of Nordrassil (10 man) and Oathbinder, Charge of the Ranger-General for 25.

If they never get to kill Arthas, then this IS effectively BIS for them.

*source: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t63774-cat_dps_guide_dummies/p25/

Kommentar von Nuker

Continuing the trend of Fantastic names for Druid staves...

Druid AND Hunter staves, chief

Kommentar von CreantheHuntard

I'm a little confused as to what weapon people expect hunters to have for our mainhand weapon. Druids don't want us to roll on their staffs, rogues don't want us to roll on their daggers, axes, etc. (not like I really want to 2h anyway) So what is it you want us to use? Should I start rolling on SP Staffs? rofl

Kommentar von 558139

Ok, lets put it like this:

Until Arthas, this staff is pretty much BiS (how it stacks compared to Bloodfall is up for discussion) for classes that can use staffs with agility on it.

There, both sides need it.

But I do have to admit it'd be more sexy with armpen instead of haste.

Edit: in the interest of science, I compared Distant Land and Bloodfall with each other, the results are as follows (sorry druids, this is from a hunter standpoint):

Agi = Agility
Sta = Stamina
Cri = Crit Rating
Has = Haste Rating
AP = Attack Power
TAP = Total Attack Power (1 Agi = 1 AP)
TCr = Total crit rating (1 Agi = .552 crit rating)

DL BF

146 Agi 162
138 Sta 162
108 Cri 108
108 Has 92
216 AP 184

BM/MM
362 TAP 346

SV (.3 Sta = 1 AP)
403 TAP 394

All
188 TCr 197

Distant Land pulls more attack power than Bloodfall, but it has a lower crit rating. The question becomes does the 9 more crit rating gained from Bloodfall out gain the 9-16 AP from Distant Land? Who knows. They're both really close, so close that it's not worth trading one for the other.

Kommentar von 516541

I got this for my hunter. Got to say, while this weapon gives me about 120 ap and 2.4% crit over ToC10 HC Anguish, I still rather use Anguish, because, even when arp gemmed, I lose 7% arp, which is simply too much (this weapon was going to DE, since we got no ferals in raid :P that's why I took it).

Not BAD for hunters really, it still gives you a lot ap and crit, which isn't that useless for MM hunters :P still, if you got even a 245 arp weapon, stick with it.

Waiting to get my hands on ICC10 polearm from blood princes.

Kommentar von 477440

Guys.. the weapon is good for a feral druid and hunter, neither of them should have to pass for one another. What more is there to discuss?

Kommentar von 555091

i have read all these comments and i agree with most of them except the part that this staff is a no go for hunter.
i preffer this to the other staves below this item level, i was hit overcapped and i would rather take the haste than the extra useless hit.
so i rolled with a druid in a icc25 today and i won.
equipped, checked femaledwarf and it's a dps increase, period.
awesome staff, nice stats, clear upgrade for me.

Kommentar von InorganicMatter

Sorry, but having a feral main and a marksman alt, I can say without any bias that weapons should ALWAYS go to whoever uses it as their primary source of damage. And that goes for everything, not just the old kitties versus hunters discussion.

Should a fury warrior or combat rogue roll against a hunter for a bow because it has armor pen? Of course not, that's ridiculous - a hunter can potentially get 500 DPS out of a new weapon while the other classes would pick up maybe 100 DPS from the stats.

Same thing here. A kitty can easily pick up 500 DPS from the ridiculous Feral AP on this, and bears will benefit the entire raid by having more HP. What will hunters gain? A little bit of ranged attack power and some crit. It's a stat stick, and a bad one at that. There's TONS of 1H weapons in ICC that are perfectly itemized for hunters (Armor Pen, crit) - you won't even have to roll against enhancement shammies for them because of the ArP.

In short, this is BIS for feral and a mediocre upgrade for hunters. And honestly, any serious guild will be giving it to bears on tank priority anyway, so the discussion is moot.

Kommentar von 552496

For my hunter alt, I rather keep Shaft of Glacial Ice than take this staff.
Haste is just yuck and people seem to get too often blinded by item levels.

Kommentar von 631656

This is a good weapon for Hunters and Feral Druids. Hunters do use haste for our steady shot and this would be an upgrade from a 232 or 245 but that dosen't mean it's just for hunters. Also for the people who think hunters should use 1 handers I disagree. 2-handers give nice slots for gems and they can give more stats. Back on to the topic of the staff feral druids need it for the feral attack power, so really neither one of the classes have a higher priority on the staff than the other. If the Haste was ARP It would be perfect for hunters who are hit-capped which most are. So neither class really has a higher priority, it just depends on how big of an upgrade it is.

Kommentar von Unpossible

As stated by Greg Street (Lead Systems Designer at Blizzard and part of the Item Design Team), "Distant Land" is named after a horse he bet on and won money from (when he was too young to bet on horses).

Ref: World of Warcraft Official Magazine, Issue 03, Volume 01.

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