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Kommentar von athika

Bei diesem Erfolg muss man den Sha des Zweifels erledigen, während man den Debuff Geläutertes Wasser hat.
Diesen Debuff erhält man nach dem Kill von Der weise Mari und er bleibt 5 Minuten lang erhalten. Es bleiben einem also nur 5 Minuten Zeit vom Mari bis zum Sha Kill.

Kommentar von 1116571

Für Aufräumen braucht man Schnelligkeit. Es empfiehlt sich mit Lehrensucher Steinschritt als ersten Boss anzufangen, danach zu Der weise Mari. Nach dem Kill bekommt man den Buff Geläutertes Wasser, der 5 Minuten anhält. Jetzt schnell in den Innenhof, dort den Trash weghauen und Liu Flammenherz legen. Die neuen Adds nicht weghauen, sondern in CC setzen und schnell zum Sha des Zweifels. Tauchen die Adds während des Bosskampfes auf, wieder in CC setzen. Den gesamten Schaden auf den Boss und ihn runterhauen bevor Geläutertes Wasser abläuft. Falls ein Gruppenmitglied während des Kampfes stirbt, bekommt es den Erfolg leider nicht mit.

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Kommentar von 933062

You gain the buff "purified water" that is needed for the achievement after killing the Jade Dragon Liu spawns, after killing the Jade Dragon you only have 5mins to kill Sha of Doubt.
Fun challenge.

Kommentar von 1036598

Tried several times with my group still can't figure out how to get the purified water buff. Can you please elaborate shadowofnigh

Kommentar von Tjaffe

Clear the Instance as follows.

Lorewalker Stonestep > Wise Mari (Obtain Geläutertes Wasser) > Liu Flameheart > Sha of Doubt

You have 5 minutes after obtaining Geläutertes Wasser ( WhenWise Mari is killed the debuff is given) to defeat the Sha of Doubt end boss

Kommentar von Slanor

You only get the buff in Heroic mode so don't get any crazy ideas about doing this on normal.

Kommentar von jaxsonbateman

Seems like it's a speed run achievement (well, for the last two bosses) - 5 minutes to do 4 trash packs and 2 bosses is very, very tight. Unless there's some trick that hasn't yet been seen (like being able to get the water buff after third boss).

Edit: No idea why this was downvoted. Ended up being completely accurate.

Kommentar von Quarla

Completed this today (Blood DK, Fury warrior, Survival hunter, Combat rogue, and Mistweaver monk), it was tight as we lacked a heroism but after a few times we got it down. My best suggestion for this is that after you kill Lorewalker and then go to kill Mari, that instead of going out the door behind him you instead go back out where you came into his room and swoop back up to the middle area where Liu is from that big gate right where you zone in. This seemed to save us valuable seconds in the grand scheme of things. Hope this helps! :)

Kommentar von Matthest

This is one of the most challenging achievements in the meta, if not the most challenging. 5 minutes is a pretty tight timeline for people who are just gearing up in heroic gear.

To do this achievement, you need to kill the final boss within 5 minutes of killing the Water boss. Obviously, make sure you kill the Lorewalker boss (to the right as you enter) first. After killing the water boss, start sprinting. A few tips:

Don't waste any DPS cooldowns on the Wise Mari. Make sure they're all up.
After killing the water boss, go towards the entrance and through the middle. It's slightly shorter and will give your tank a better route to pick up all 3 trash packs.
Assign one DPS to AoE the trash packs. Demonology Warlocks and Shadow Priests are amazing at this. The other DPS should single-target the three big trash that have a truckload of health.
Don't bother killing the three trash mobs before the final boss. Use fear, banish, bind elemental, or simply offtank them. ALL your energy needs to be on the boss

Go fast. This is a tough one!

Kommentar von ExileNewsTeam

I made a simple video guide for the achievement

V V V V VLink to video guide is below!V V V V V

Kommentar von Crazyrussian

WARNING: Do NOT use any immunities (Divine Shield/Iceblock) while you have this debuff if you are going for the achievement! I used Divine Shield on the Sha of Doubt and didn't get the achievement while my group did.

Kommentar von Aggrot

We just completed this achievement with a very easy tactic, it seemed tight but we pulled it off with one minute to go.

After we killed Lorewalker Stonestep and Wise Mari we rushed to Liu Flameheart's room, pulled all three of the trash packs together and used all of 2 minute, or less cooldowns to burst them down real quick.

Liu was just a tank and spank fight where we didnt use any of our cooldowns.

We quickly cc'd the three adds before the boss (Trap, bind elemental, priest fear) and engaged the Sha directly after the adds were cc'd.

After the first "spirit phase" we popped bloodlust, pots and the cooldowns that were ready and nuked him down right before the second "spirit phase".

Our setup was:

Protection Warrior
Survival Hunter
Elemental Shaman
Shadow Priest
Holy Paladin

Everyone in the group was above 360 ilvl

I hope this was helpfull to you all!

Kommentar von Nalai

I have also made a YouTube guide on how to complete the achievement successfully. Everything needs to be in the guide is in there, besides maybe going through the middle.

Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbgB3bzXIC8

Kelanfar

Kommentar von mannaroth

Video Guide to this acheivement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErlkKZKociQ

This is the hardest achievement in the instance. It's a huge gear check and requires everyone to be doing extremely high DPS. First, when you enter, head to the right and defeat Lorewalker Stonestep. Then fight and defeat the water boss like normal. From here, you have 5 minutes to finish the instance. You can do a lot of things to help speed up your overall time.

First, help your healer out. Avoid taking unnecessary damage. You can avoid almost all damage on the water boss. Once the fight is over, run to the door that you entered the room from. Wait for the wall to disappear and then use speed cooldowns to get to the center room as quickly as possible - Teleports, Blinks, Sprints, Stampeding Roar, etc.

Once you reach the courtyard, immediately pull every mob in the room. Drag them to the center and AoE. Hunters are excellent at pulling lots to your tank very quickly. Everyone in the group should help to engage them and trust that your tank can pull aggro. Make sure the big ones are pulled in with the small ones, as they have a lot of health. You then need to unleash as much AoE as possible and be careful to move out of the damaging pools on the ground. Demonology Warlocks, Hunters, Warriors with Bladestorm, Frost DKs, Ele Shamans and tanks all do very high AoE damage and will make this a lot easier. Once you kill all the mobs here, the next boss will engage. There aren't really any tricks to doing this. Avoid taking unnecessary damage, DPS as hard as you can but without wasting major cooldowns, and when she turns into the dragon start tanking her near the door to the last boss.

The three Sha that come out of the door after this either need to be CCs or killed. You can Banish, Trap, Bind Elemental, etc. Any that aren't killed should be DPSed to low health before pulling the boss and then cleaved down - don't try and off tank them all or you will end up failing. On the last boss is where you need to use Heroism, if you have it. It's extremely important that you defeat the Sha in only two add phases or you just won't make it in time. Heroism makes this a lot easier, and is really recommended for this. Stay stacked up so that during the add phases, you can just AoE on top of the boss, use all your major cooldowns, and pray your DPS was high enough.

Until your gear improves, there isn't really much else you can do to improve your chances of this achievement. Don't waste a single second, DPS hard, bring the right buffs, and hope you manage it.

Kommentar von 1040517

Cleared this with:

Brewmaster Monk
Mistweaver Monk
Assassination Rogue
Elemental Shaman
Survival Hunter

Our dps weren't extremely well geared, shaman has quite a few healing pieces, hunter and rogue didn't have 463 weapons.
The routes described above are correct, backtracking and going through the middle gives you those extra seconds.
We pulled the first room in one go, aoe'd them down. The dps and tank made sure to stay out of harms way, mistweaver was able to dps.
We used the fury on the trash mobs in the first room, helping us aoe the pack that takes the longest faster, and we still had some of it for the boss.
Pulled the pack before the Sha, and tanked them with the boss. Dps focused boss, tank aoed. During the add phases, we all aoed, killing the pack at the same time.

We've done this with other tanks, and DK/Warrior/Monk can easily get over 100k dps while aoeing the mobs. This helps a lot, though it does assume your tank knows how to play, sacrifices a bit of survivability to dps and trusts the healer to keep him up. Haven't tried with paladin tanks with their recent/future up, and don't know if Druid tanks can do it (yet to meet one with good dps).

Also, taking a sip of beer after you got the achievement makes it so much better.

Kommentar von Tropa

This achievement is quite easy when you have the know-how.

To start off we killed the 2nd boss then went back to the start, had everyone pop flasks/food. I used str flask and food as the tank to increase my dps. We had our healer spec shadow to help dps, so our setup was prot pala (me), lock, rogue, spriest and ele shaman.
Before we pulled the boss we had our lock put up his portal with one end outside the "wall" he puts up and one inside the bossroom. This is so you can teleport out while the wall is still up and gain 10 extra seconds (which could make or break your kill). Just kill the first boss normally, when he was at 5% we ran to the start of the room and waited for everyone to get the debuff. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE IT if you want the achievement, then teleport out and quickly run for the 3rd boss' room. I pulled all 3 packs and we started aoe'ing them down with the spriest (formerly healer) completely ignoring me, I was able to keep myself up with guardian + LoH. When the 3rd boss spawns we only used potions to increase dps, no personal cds.
Again, when the boss is at 5% we dragged him to the stairs in front of the last boss' room. Finished him off then cc'd 1 of the adds and killed the other 2. When the 2nd add we killed were at 25% I pulled it into the boss room and we popped bloodlust and finished him off.

We kept the last add cc'd the entire fight and only kept myself up with own cooldowns. No heals from the priest besides a shield every now and then.

We made the achievement with around 35-40 seconds to spare. But when the fight ended everyone was <20% hp including me.

Kommentar von dahajack

To clear a few things up; If you're trying Invisibility/Stealth to get past the last 3 mobs before Sha, you won't be able to. Also make sure that as a paladin you don't bubble, since that will remove your buff and make you not get the achievement. I'm guessing Cloak of Shadows would do the same thing.

Kommentar von KannoFire

Cleared this today after about 10 failed attempts since launch. Group setup:
Blood DK, Ele Shaman, Demo lock, Boomkin, Spriest.

Buffs: Darkmoon 5.5% damage buff, flask, 2 potions each, and a feast.

Clear Lorewalker boss with a healer, go back to the entrance, clear trash to Wise Mari, then have your healer go DPS. Save all CD's on Mari, when he dies, exit the front door. We had our druid use Stampeding Roar here.

Pull all 3 trash packs in the main area, AoE them down with a focus on the Minions of Doubt. If you're the tank, you will need to use most (or all) of your defensive CD's here. You won't need them later. Interrupting the Minions' Shattering cast, as it causes a damage debuff. Have your DPS throw off-heals between the trash, and the boss. Kill Liu Flameheart as normal, do your best to avoid all the AoE damage during the fight.

As soon as her jade serpent ability reaches 1 HP, move near the stairs and prepare for as much CC as possible on the 3 minions exiting the door. Shaman can Bind Elemental, Locks can Banish, and Hunters can trap. You can CC all 3 adds if you have the proper classes. My group CC'd the left/right add, and killed the middle add.

Engage the boss as soon as the CC's are up (or any remaining Minions are dead), pull him as far backwards into his room as possible, make sure your DPS is aware they will need to refresh CC on the adds during the encounter!

You will need to kill Sha of Doubt before his 2nd Bounds of Reality. During the first Bounds, have your group stack up and kill the ghosts. Whoever has the Touch of Nothingness debuff should stand to the side of your group (away from your group) to prevent AoE damage! You will need some minor offheals during this phase. This phase will hit you with the most damage for this entire achievement; if you die, you lose the Purified Water buff! So make sure you don't suffer damage from Touch of Nothingness and make sure at least 1 of your group members is ready to throw a few heals.

As soon as the Bounds ends, use Heroism/Bloodlust. Use any cooldowns you have, including potions! Burn the boss, at this point you will probably have to re-CC the 3 trash adds as they enter the room.

We defeated Sha of Doubt with 50 seconds remaining on our Purified Water debuff, and about 10 seconds before 2nd Bounds of Reality. You will need approximately 200k total DPS on the encounter to beat the 2nd Bounds of Reality. Truth be told, this achievement is a race against Bounds of Reality (a DPS race on the final boss). The duration of your Purified Water should be plenty of time!

Kommentar von 952779

Hi. Not sure if anyone knows this but the door behind Lorewalker Stonestep is supposed to open when he dies. You then have access to Liu. Kill Liu then kill Wise Mari. Then kill Sha.

I'm surprised so many have been killing Liu after Mari. Its bugged right now like most things in the game.

Kommentar von 437984

I did this with some friends yesterday and found out a way to get some extra damage on the boss before he goes immune. Pull him up on the balcony and stand by the edge of it and tank him. He phases out once he gets to the middle of the room so the extra distance he needs to cross gave us some much needed extra time for dotticks and attacks.

Kommentar von OliverBuns

If you're like us, you attempted every method known to man, and have failed because of those fudging adds before Sha.

Here's a quick overview before I go into the details of what we did to bypass those adds.

We rolled with:

2 hunters
1 boomkin (offhealing)
1 warrior tank
1 shaman

As for comp, it depends on where everyone's DPS is at.

If it's on the lower side, I definitely recommend grabbing a shaman/hunter with a corehound for blood lust, and getting an ele shaman, mistweaver monk, or boomkin to DPS (30k is fine) while offhealing, simply to compensate.

It may seem daunting to offheal this as a DPSer, but nothing really does any damage, just be sure to stress to your group to NOT stand in the purple puddles on the ground when the big Sha adds are up in the court yard, and to not stand stand in the green circles of fire on the Liu encounter for even a fraction of a second.

I will say, things can get a little intense during the fragment phase of Sha, so definitely save some healing CDs for that.

If your DPS is excellent (3 people at 45k+), you can probably roll with a full-time healer.

Boomkin & one of the hunters was pulling 35k, while the shammy and the other hunter were doing roughly 45k. With two of four DPS pulling sub-par numbers, we managed to defeat the Sha with 30 seconds remaining on our buff.

Strategy

This is, in my honest opinion, the absolute easiest way to do it, however you must make sure you have:

A rogue, a hunter, or a mage in your group.

When the 3 adds before Sha (when the big door opens up) come out, have your rogue, mage, or hunter aggro them, and then drag them to the far right of the chamber you fight him in. When they're all the way inside to the right, have everyone else move into the far left of the chamber, and then tell your rogue to vanish, your hunter to feign death, or your mage to use his/her invisibility spell (or vice versa, have them tell you when it's safe to come in, and they'll gauge when it's an appropriate time to vanish). This will reset them to their original positions outside of the door, allowing you to completely bypass them.

This worked wonders for us.

Conclusion & Other Info

We found it gave us more time when we didn't pop CDs as soon as we pulled him, instead we waited until after the first time he yanked the fragments out of us, and after we stacked up and killed them, we then popped blood lust, personal cooldowns, etc,.

Besides the vanish method, everything else was done normally.

It helps to bring everyone onto vent/teamspeak, whatever you use, to facilitate communication and reaction timing, as this achievement is about being quick to execute a strategy.

Library > Mari > Liu > Sha

When we killed Mari, we looped back around to the entrance of the instance and passed through the courtyard there.

Remember to make good time when killing the adds in the courtyard, and Liu herself. Pull all of the adds in the courtyard at once, and single target them down. DO NOT designate one DPS to solely AoE adds, this wastes time. Simply by single targeting the big ones in an orderly fashion kills the little ones due to cleaves (they barely have any health). Getting all 3 of those big ones down ASAP is the biggest priority, it helped when we had our tank mark which ones to kill first, then second, and so on, so all of our DPS could immediately start burning down the big guys.

The reason everyone struggles with this one is because of the adds before Sha, they're a huge waste of time, and if you drag them in, they will either deal too much damage to your group, or dampen your DPS too much (because they put out a -30ish% dmg debuff). Even if you CC them, the coordination in doing so wastes a lot of time, as they have to be pulled inside of the room then CC'd, or else they else they'll simply lollop through the door and aggro onto you half-way through the encounter. Even when CC'd appropriately, they frequently break out and gank your party. Nobody knows what to do with them.

Our method worked great, and I hope it works for everyone else too. Completely bypassing them by having a hunter/mage/rogue drag them into the far right of the chamber, while everyone went far left into it, and then the rogue/hunter/mage vanishing, saved us so much time.

So in conclusion, don't be discouraged by everyone saying you need insane DPS. 40-45k is good enough to do it if you follow our method, if its any lower, simply grab an offhealer for extra DPS, and make sure you have blood lust ready for Sha.

GL & get this god awful achievement out of the way.

Kommentar von NukaCola

Well, when I did it we popped cooldowns at Liu and it worked out. We pulled the 3 sha into the room with the Sha itself and they eventually died to aoe.

Kommentar von 354632

It seems most players are overestimating this achievements difficulty. I just did this with a totally random pug where two of our members hadn't even done the instance on heroic before.

What we did, was start with Lorewalker Stonestep, seeing as that fight is often dragged out to oblivion, with its rather stall-ish mechanics. After that, we went out to the main courtyard where Liu Flameheart spawns. We cleared the trash mobs, then the boss itself.

When Liu Flameheart was dead, the three sha trash mobs before Sha of Doubt spawned and the door to the final boss opened. At this point, we killed the trash, ran back to Wise Mari and killed him. We made sure to save our dps cooldowns on this fight, as they would be needed at the Sha of Doubt after he'd died. Once Wise Mari had been killed, we recieved the Purified Water buff. At this point, all we had to do was run back to the Sha of Doubt and kill him, with nothing standing in our way, and a rather generous window of opportunity to complete the achievement!

I hope this helped, and good luck on obtaining this achievement yourself!

(Edit: We finished this with 3 minutes to go on the buff, with the top dps standing at 35k at the Sha of Doubt, just to give you a perspective of how easy this truly was.)

Kommentar von kurzior

This acheivement is probably the most challenging one of the Glory meta you will do (at least until its completely overgeared) simply because the timer for finishing the dungeon under the buff is incredibly tight. My group did this is a group with a hunter, elemental shaman and fury warrior, all at ~470 gear and my holy pally and a fresh 90 prot warrior. It can obviously be done with other class comps.

Things we did to improve our time:
- After Mari was killed, run to Liu's room through the front of the dungeon, rather than following the normal path at the back. The run path is slightly shorter.
- I (holy pally) used my engineering nitro boosts to help pull and gather trash in Liu's room, then blinded them for the tank to pick up. Tank should use some cd's on this trash to try and conserve healer mana. Have at least 1 dps trying to interrupt the sha adds to minimize their debuffs. Pull Liu immediately on spawn.
- Dps potions during Liu to speed up her kill. The potion cd will reset when combat ends, allowing a second set to be used on Sha.
- Running into sha's room, I ran by and blinded the 3 manifestation adds to keep them in place. Shaman uses Spiritwalker's Grace to allow him to cast Bind Elemental while running in. Hunter frost traps the second add. The third is left free but we kept stuns and blinds on him for most of the fight. Keeping the adds cc'd is a huge benefit because every debuff they cast reduces damage massively.
- Heroism after the first immune phase on the boss.

Good luck getting your cloud serpent mount.

Kommentar von MasterGaming101

I have created a very helpful guide for the entire meta! :) plz check it, its my 8th guide and i think its pretty good

Glory of the Pandaria Hero

Kommentar von Hitotsuki

Cleared this with:

Demo Warlock
Boomkin
Holy Priest
DK
Mage

We used Stampeding Roar after the buff went off. The timer starts right as he dies, so you have to suffer through the dialogue :(

We popped Time Warp right as we engaged the Sha. We feared, rooted, cycloned adds until he casts 'Wither Soul' then we popped AoEs and managed to burn them down at the same time.

Average ilvl was 460 between us. Found this to be a huge DPS check and the hardest of the Glory achievements.

Kommentar von 689829

I got this as a Fury Warrior with the following
-A hunter from my guild
-A mage from my guild
-A Holy Paladin from another guild
-A Protection Paladin.from the other Paladin's guild.
My groupmates seemed to have between Mogu'shan Vaults and Heart of Fear-level gear scores. I didn't have Recount, but I asked for 60k minimum DPS, and for people to use flasks, potions and cooldowns.

We completed the achievement with 34 seconds left on the clock, and here's some of the decisions we made
-We went out the back door to Wise Mari's room as soon as it opened.
-We chain pulled and AOEd down the trash before Liu Flameheart
-We pulled the trash before the Sha of Doubt with the boss, and popped Time Warp on the pull.

This achieve is largely a DPS check, but it's also important to do it correctly, and I believe these decisions are as key to completing it in time. I heard one person say he completed the achieve while killing the three trash mobs separately from the boss, but I haven't seen it done this way before.

Kommentar von Thunderbro

This achievement should be pretty easy to complete with the most recent patch, assuming you have decent DPS in your group (all 475+ should do it).

I did a random heroic and got Temple of Jade Serpent. Asked them to do the achievement by just starting with the right (Lorewalker Stonestep) boss. We essentially 4-manned the instance (one really, really bad dps was with us), and missed the timer by like 20 seconds. I think any competent group (even PUGs) should be able to get this if you just start with the right boss.

Final Overall DPS among my group members:

Me (Frost Mage) - 79k
DK Tank - 41k
Fury Warrior - 41k
Boomkin - 22k
Pally Healer - 2k

If the Boomkin had pulled as much as the tank, we would have gotten it for sure.

NOTE: I'm really not sure why the default choice of groups is to kill Mari first...

Kommentar von Rhiziana

i STRONGLY suggest you wait, untill you are sure you have the debuff, Purified Water.

earlier today, i went in with a premade, stormed out of the room right when he was killed, and i DID NOT get the debuff. the rest of the gruop had it, i thought it was just a UI bug, but after we killed last boss, everyone but me got the achievement.

Made a ticket, ~~waiting for a response~~ the GM responded that you are not eliglibe for the achievement, and they cannot make you eliglible. So you have to try again another time.

Kommentar von Gurkis

So we just did this with 30 seconds to spare in a LFG gruop. We started by killing Wise Mari then just doing 2 big pulls. Everything from Wise Mari to Lorewalker Stonestep.
Pull evey mob before Liu Flameheart and kill in middle.
With the last 20% move to Sha of Doubt door.
Pull the three adds and Sha of Doubt at the same time. Pop BL/TW and feel god about yourself for doing a dungeon in under 5 min.

Kommentar von elaNge

Protip: Kill Lorewalker Stonestep and Liu Flameheart before killing Wise Mari.

This makes the cheev considerably easier.

Kommentar von nerz

Did this with 4 dps (530-560) and 1 Healer.

Killed Lorewalker first, then Mari. As soon as we had the buff, we went for Lyu, pulled the entire room, BL, killed everything. Then we killed sha with the remaining trash.

We had over 2 minutes left on the timer...

Pretty easy nowadays

Kommentar von 1111516

Just got this by accident. Weren't even trying. Didn't do boss 1 & 2 reversed. Just lots of DPS - no longer any challenge - bosses died in 17-18 seconds each.

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