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Can You Still Raid as a BM?
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Edit: Also, put up or shut up. Prove you're not gimping your raid, otherwise stop misinforming young hunters.
Again, not the question. It's a bit annoying getting all these posts bragging rights to beat on other players because they're not yours or "the best" spec. By the time a good BM gets Uld gear, they should still be able to keep within a respectable range from SV/MM. Any 1-2k gap like some people are claiming is ludicrous. Even running Uld 10 in mostly lvl 200 gear I was 1st or 2nd on DPS and almost always 1st on damage done. As others have said, you can take that to be an insult to the rest of the dps in my guild, or you can take it to mean that outside your closed mindedness, other specs not yours can compete and can do the job required.
Then again, in the same regard, this is exactly why "hardcore" raiding guilds and mentalities aren't for everybody. As I said before, if you're good with BM and you get kicked from a raid for it - Shame on raid leader and do not raid with them again - it's their loss.
Insofar as "misleading young hunters" ... you act like I'm telling them to put 20 points in each spec at random, that's misleading them. Or telling them to go Melee builds. Telling them they can still raid as BM is not misleading in the least. Telling them their total and complete idiots for doing so is.
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And to respond to catlady
You say you do 5k damage as BM, great.
If you respecced and learnt how to play SV or MM your dps should be higher. Does this mean you need to? No.
Does it mean you should to provide your raid with the best optimal dps? Yes.
Do not make this personal by saying but I enjoy BM and I suck at SV. We are talking mathematically here, BM is inferior, you are by not respeccing and learning the superior spec, gimping your raid dps, thus gimping your raid. While you may only be gimping them by a small number as has been said previously, 100 dps over a 5 minute fight could mean the difference between downing a boss and not downing it.
And before someone says.. but what if someone else was gimping their dps... We arent discussing them. We are discussing hunters and BM specifically. If they are gimping their dps they should be fixing it as well. If they are not they are doing the same
as you by you being a BM specced hunter.
Sigh. . .
Did you read my post?
I DO BETTER DPS AS BM
I dont enjoy SV. I dont do well at it. I lag constantly. My best PERSONAL dps is as BM
Does this make me a bad SV hunter--YEEEEEEEEEES
Does this make me a bad hunter? I would say no. My guild would say no. Elite raiding guilds might say yes--but what percentage of the population is in those?
My point is, if you hate SV, if you are struggling with it, if you dont do well--try BM.
If you get better numbers from BM, then it is the better spec for you. Thats not math, its logic, its fact.
But as long as we are talking math & spreadsheets--as I said before, put me in the spreadsheet. I posted my name. It is Saffavia. You will see that 5k is not unreasonable, and I am not very well geared.
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You edited your post to add this bit of rudeness? Dude. Okay,
here you go
. I hope that link works. Now you tell me whether I deserved to be in the raid.
No, as stated earlier, I wouldn't accept this in a raid.
Am I gimping my raid?
As you have said earlier you're not a good hunter and you do well, better than SV, as BM, so in this case no, you're not. On spreadsheet, you are, but since you're not skilled at being a hunter you do well with an easier rotation.
I belive you have unreasonable expectations for the casual raider.
My expectations are that you do the best you can. That is I expect you to be doing the DPS you should be doing in the gear you're using; Yes, I am basing this off of spreadsheets and theorycrafting. If you're not pulling your weight, I will have someone tutor you. If after practice you show no improvement, you will be replaced. (If at all possible) In progression raids I presume you to be well geared, (Naxx25) the demands of 5k on a boss that requires nothing more than a good healer is hardly 'unreasonable'. This is to speak nothing of what I expect of your reactions to boss mechanics.
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*grabs popcorn and waits for more* XD
*sits next to DapperDan79 and rummages through pack of sweets*
As a BM thinking of changing to MM, this suuuuure is entertaining.
Especially since I've been topping DPS charts for last 6 lvl 80 dungeons.
I r lolling @ this threadz
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