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Who would you give up your seat for?
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Adamsm
/shrug And I do it because of what I believe in; Law of 3 and all that, where what you do comes back to you threefold, good and bad.
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MyTie
/shrug And I do it because of what I believe in; Law of 3 and all that, where what you do comes back to you threefold, good and bad.
What if you were guaranteed not to have anything good in return? No good karma. Would you still do it? If so, why?
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Adamsm
/shrug And I do it because of what I believe in; Law of 3 and all that, where what you do comes back to you threefold, good and bad.
What if you were guaranteed not to have anything good in return? No good karma. Would you still do it? If so, why?
I'd still do it because it was also how I was raised; my one grandmother used to cuff me in the ear if I didn't hold the doors for people, say 'please and thank you', and so on; combo of fear of the hit and wanting to please her heh. That it translate well to how I believe now is just a happy coincidence.
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MyTie
Almost exactly what I said 3 pages ago that got me in all this trouble. DUCK AND COVER ADAMSM. The ferrets are incoming!
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Adamsm
Guess so. And please, Ferrets are easy to deal with, but if it's weasels, then we're in trouble.
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donnymurph
We are looking at the same thing, I'm just answering "why". Why do I feel the need to extend that common courtesy? Respect. Generally, older people deserve respect. Not that complicated really. If I accidentally give my seat to a pederast, then it's not really that big of a harm. If everyone respected their elders, I believe there would be a net benefit for society.
Your rationale sounds more sensible now that you have said that.
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Squishalot
They deserve respect because they put their life into mortal danger to fight for your way of life. I can't tell if you are being serious or are just trolling.
Somewhat serious. Being a war veteran 40 years ago meant a lot more than it does now, for the reasons that you've suggested. I don't see Western world influence in the recent wars in last few decades (up to and including the Vietnam War) as being required to fight for our way of life. Has the victory that the North Vietnamese had somehow damaged our way of life? I don't really think so. Has communism taken over the world as a result? No.
Now, the coal miner who has to work a kilometer underground in a mine also puts his life in mortal danger to mine for the resources for your way of life. I would guess that in Australia at least, a similar proportion of miners get into serious accidents, fatal or otherwise, as our military personnel in Afghanistan. On the basis of your 'mortal danger' argument, should we all stand up for the mining crews as well?(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
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donnymurph
There's no public transport in mining towns though...
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Squishalot
There's no public transport in mining towns though...
That's ok, there's no real public transport in
Sydney
a war zone either.
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MyTie
They deserve respect because they put their life into mortal danger to fight for your way of life. I can't tell if you are being serious or are just trolling.
Somewhat serious. Being a war veteran 40 years ago meant a lot more than it does now, for the reasons that you've suggested. I don't see Western world influence in the recent wars in last few decades (up to and including the Vietnam War) as being required to fight for our way of life. Has the victory that the North Vietnamese had somehow damaged our way of life? I don't really think so. Has communism taken over the world as a result? No.
Now, the coal miner who has to work a kilometer underground in a mine also puts his life in mortal danger to mine for the resources for your way of life. I would guess that in Australia at least, a similar proportion of miners get into serious accidents, fatal or otherwise, as our military personnel in Afghanistan. On the basis of your 'mortal danger' argument, should we all stand up for the mining crews as well?
I'm not trying to compare a war vet to a coal miner. I'm comparing an average war vet to an average citizen. The war vet should be respected for his sacrifices.
And, although you may not agree with the premises of war in recent years, they have the same effect on the soldiers. Many of these people have been through hell and sacrifice. It is this ungrateful, and even negative attitude toward war vets that caused so much pain for returning war vets. They went to a land of no friends, as far away from home as they could be, watched their friends die young painful deaths, and themselves bled. They come home and some young guy doesn't feel they are worthy of a seat on a bus. It's disheartening. Yet another reason I got out of the military. I can't justify killing people, and I won't put my life in danger for ungrateful punks.
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Squishalot
I'm not trying to compare a war vet to a coal miner. I'm comparing an average war vet to an average citizen. The war vet should be respected for his sacrifices.
And why shouldn't a coal miner be respected for his sacrifices? Again - they've bear the same risks that the soldier does. So by your 'respect for sacrifice' argument, why is it that you would stand for war vets, but not for coal miners?
If it's about people who've seen friends been tortured and killed, we should also stand for refugees and illegal immigrants as well, perhaps. I'm still not seeing a consistent behavioural pattern here.
I acknowledge that you believe in giving them respect, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, but I don't believe they deserve any better or worse treatment than anybody else who contributes to or sacrificed for our community, and the arguments you've provided haven't convinced me otherwise yet. Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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MyTie
I'm not trying to compare a war vet to a coal miner. I'm comparing an average war vet to an average citizen. The war vet should be respected for his sacrifices.
And why shouldn't a coal miner be respected for his sacrifices? Again - they've bear the same risks that the soldier does. So by your 'respect for sacrifice' argument, why is it that you would stand for war vets, but not for coal miners?
If it's about people who've seen friends been tortured and killed, we should also stand for refugees and illegal immigrants as well, perhaps. I'm still not seeing a consistent behavioural pattern here.
I acknowledge that you believe in giving them respect, and I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, but I don't believe they deserve any better or worse treatment than anybody else who contributes to or sacrificed for our community, and the arguments you've provided haven't convinced me otherwise yet. Maybe we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
We actually agree, but are talking about the same thing from two different angles. You are misunderstanding my position. I am not comparing coal miners to everyone else, but war vets to everyone else. The same argument could be adequately made for anyone who sacrifices. You are just more likely to encounter a war vet than a coal miner, so it is a more common example.
I don't know about your "illegal immigrant" argument. I don't get why they have suffered more than others because they are somewhere illegally, but that is getting off topic.
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Squishalot
You are just more likely to encounter a war vet than a coal miner, so it is a more common example.
That might be the case in the US (I don't have any stats on that), but it's certainly not the case in Australia. It might only be perceived that way, because coal miners don't go around showing off the fact that they're coal miners.
I don't know about your "illegal immigrant" argument. I don't get why they have suffered more than others because they are somewhere illegally, but that is getting off topic.
They've seen their friends been tortured and killed wherever they were fleeing from prior to seeking asylum. But I agree, this is getting too far off topic.
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931961
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MyTie
Dang.... Can of worms.
So, team forfeited because of religious beliefs
. Wouldn't play a team with a girl on the team. They lost state championship over it.
What the forfeiters had to say:“Teaching our boys to treat ladies with deference, we choose not to place them in an athletic competition where proper boundaries can only be respected with difficulty,” the statement read. "Our school aims to instill in our boys a profound respect for women and girls."
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Adamsm
That's....a little idiotic; but as said in the article, the forfeit school did it before, in regards to a flag football team. Was semi-nice of the 15 year-old girl to sit out two games in respect of the opposing teams beliefs, but can't blame her for wanting to play; maybe the other school will think about changing the policies so they can actually play in the modern world.
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ElhonnaDS
A little more background- the school is not a traditional "Catholic" school. It's run by an off-shoot that has no canonical authority in the Catholic Church, and some of whose members spent like 20 years excommunicated, and were only allowed back into the Catholic church like 3 years ago.
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Just wanted to throw it out there that they're kind of a fringe version of Catholicism, and this isn't something you'd expect to see in a mainstream Catholic, or in fact most Christian schools. Before people go off about the Catholic Church.
Personal opinion- it's sad, but I'm surprised that the girl agreed to sit out for even the first two games. I don't think the school should have to compromise it's doctrine and force their players to play, but I don't think they have the right to expect the other schools to discriminate against their own players to cater to it.
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Jubilee
I give up my seat on the bus to almost anyone.
I look at it this way. I am willing and able to stand, and any discomfort incurred is fairly minuscule, and if the person I offer my seat to accepts it, then I have made someone a little more comfortable at no expense. I don't need to make any judgments about the person.
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