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xavierpjg
Alright so i got to bethilac in firelands yesterday and um it didn't do so good. We didn't really have anyone with enough aoe except for a hunter. Anyways, i was specced for fire when i first switched from frost along with arcane. So i decided i would get duplicate equip again and forge it towards fire. i got all the rep items and reforged them to what i could. Turned on combustion helper, and headed towards the raiding dummy in sw.
I went for 3 five min sessions on him and the most i pulled was i think 13k. I then realized, i got so into arcane spec i'd forgotten how to do fire properly. i cast living bomb. wait for the ignite and pyroblast procs, and set off combustion. but i ain't gettin crap.
Yesterday we got a fire mage to help, after someone left. After we got done with all the spiders, she was pullin 30k+ right along with me. I know fire is alot more random than arcane and i'm not fully geared for fire but i should be pullin more than 13k i believe.
Anyways is there a proper rotation for fire. Or is it just waiting and timing things to set your combustion off? Also at what point in time should u be using mirror image?
i read greywolfsage's thingy (by the way you forgot to add a feet enchantment) However didn't see anything i didn't already know.
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yeah i was doing that but they just were going down fast enough. I was pulling out frost nova, ring of frost, but they just weren't going down quick enough. So i just switched to the middle size spiders when the fire mage came along and we then started actually get to where beth actually came down.
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greywolfsage
So, first of all:
DUMMIES ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF TRUE RAID DPS.
I honestly don't know how many people have said this how many times across the forum, and people still fall for it.
What dummies are good for are "rotation" practice, and you can use them to compare your specs, seeing the difference in damage you do, depending on the specs talents this will or won't get skewed.
Affliction warlocks see most of their strength in Execution Phase, so dummies are inaccurate in terms of dps.
MM hunters have an early (80% and above) damage buff that skews dummies since they never lose an appreciable amount of health.
Try moving your point in Imp Counterspell and Imp Fire Blast into Pyromaniac. It's a talent that was basically designed for that fight.
You don't show much evidence of actually having read my right up. At best you skimmed bits.
Haste is the strongest stat for Fire right now. You especially don't take haste out for mastery!
Priority System. You have a few main things to watch for as a Fire Mage.
debuff. Applied via
Brûlure
or
Explosion pyrotechnique
or
This debuff provides 5% extra crit. Lasts 30 seconds. Same as the
debuff provided from Warlocks. If CM is disappearing early, please check for warlock talents in your group.
Bombe vivante
. One of our largest sources of damage through a fight. Let it tick off so the secondary explosion can occur, which counts for Hot Streak procs, and then refresh it. Keep this up as much as you can.
– Triggered by
and
Pilote de suppression d’explosion pyrotechnique
This is a free Pyroblast. Note: it counts as free for Master of Elements, so no mana back from crits. Usually a good source of ignite. Also refreshes Critical Mass, some mages prefer to hard cast this spell while tank is running in to pull.
. Keep this out and on CD. Only attacks one target at a time, but with the talent
, it has a nice little BOOM effect at the end. More damage you don't have to worry too much about. Though it is as buggy as Blink for making a travel line... >.>
Boule de feu
. Bread and butter. If you're not using GCD's for anything else, spam away.
Mirror Image is a threat mask. Use it as such.
Mostly when you get a string of Pyro's and or add cleaving with Impact.
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xavierpjg
I do not have all my fire gear yet so looking at my armory is kinda pointless. I only have the neck, back, feet, and belt pieces for my fire set. not even sure which set my mage is wearing atm. And i know the dummy is a crappy thing to test your dps on (it can't account for all the diff buffs and everything you get in raids nor can it account for the individual raid boss mechanics and stats. I was just comparing it to what my arcane spec does. Considering i'm not fully geared for fire yet i guess 9-13k ain't bad considering what gear i have atm.
Greywolf, trust me i actually read it (hence why i said you were missing feet enchantment on it lol). I just probably am not the best at explaining things through typing. But yeah i did my talents way back when and will redo them whenever i get back on. Won't be back on the game again till tuesday though so....
Zakkar: Like i said in first post. I'm usin combustion helper so when i say "wait" i mean while attacking, watching the helper, and waiting for the LB prc (which is constant) the ignite proc, and the pyroblast proc to set off combustion.
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xavierpjg
--^^
Yeah, how are you using the same gear for fire and arcane, you would be losing ALOT of power depending on which spec you were forged for. For instance, Fire spec does not worry about mastery at all. Its the one stat you constantly forge away from. I have also noticed you need more haste with fire.
And i'm not talking about downgrading some for fire. I'm accquiring an exact duplicate set (of what i can) for fire and forging it for that spec. If i load my arcane gear in rawr or askmrrobot or anything like that , it tells me to either remove the forge or reforge everypiece of equiptment i have for fire. So i cannot see how usin the same setup for both spec can be feasible or viable.
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xavierpjg
Yes haste is good for both but i was referring to the mastery for arcane. Its kind of a must. And yes you are right, the programs are not perfect. But they are a good guide. I used it on arcane spec and all i had to do was lose some crit for haste on it. However using it upgraded my dps significantly.
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xavierpjg
Fire is still competetive. Did you not read my first post about the fire mage pullin big numbers right along side me. However i think that was only with combustion going off though cause my dps was higher than hers any other time. But never more than 2-3k.
And as for mastery with fire. Anywhere you read it does say to forge away from mastery. Arcane is the complete opposite. Its no wonder fire has so much haste and crit. but i've noticed fireball also takes longer than ab to cast with the same haste so that's probably why.
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nickseng
Fire is not competive for most of FL boss fights.
Depends on how you define competetive.
if (competitive == top of the charts)
{
Fire = not competitive;
}
else
{
Fire = competitive;
}
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nickseng
Just throwing it out there.
You can also do Baleroc as Frost. It has more consistent dps than Fire, less dps loss on movement, and Ice Barrier to take slightly more stacks of Torment.
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xavierpjg
I know mastery is great for arcane, the problem is its (most of the time) @#$% for fire. Bloodlust is 40seconds of a fight - my encounters usually take a little more than that. Haste affects my arcane dps during all the rest of the fight.
Interesting point, However, seeing how arcane rotations are based on the mastery aspect of the spec, i would have to disagree. This is the exact reason i'm working on obtaining a duplicate copy of gear and forging the set to fire. If you do not have the mastery for arcane, then you are underpowered. We are called glass cannons. Not glass squirt guns lol.
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