Druid Changes 3.1 PTR (Talents, skills, Glyphs and T8!)

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Publication par Slimda

Abolish Poison: Now ticks every 3 sec, up from every 2. Now lasts 12 sec., up from 8.
Faerie Fire now decreases armor by 5%. (Previously decreased armor by a set amount)

Balance

Owlkin Frenzy is now properly considered an Enrage effect. Now also does not trigger from spell hits, only physical ranged and melee attacks.

Feral

New Talent: Primal Gore: Grants the periodic damage from your Rake, Lacerate and Rip abilities the ability to critically hit.
Survival of the Fittest (Tier 6) now increases your armor contribution from cloth and leather items in Bear Form and Dire Bear Form by 11/22/33%. (Previously 22/44/66%)
Predatory Strikes (Tier 4) now increases now includes Moonkin Form in its effect.
*New Talent* Primal Gore, Tier 10, 1 point talent - Grants the periodic damage from your Rake, Lacerate and Rip abilities the ability to critically hit.
Savage Roar is now considered an Enrage effect.
Savage Roar changed to increase physical damage done by 30%. (Previously increased attack power by 40%)
Maim now stuns the target instead of incapacitate.
*New Spell* Savage Defense, 1 rank, level 40 - Each time you deal a melee critical strike, you gain Savage Defense, reducing the damage taken from the next physical attack that strikes you by 25% of your attack power.

Restoration

Living Seed: This talent now accounts for your ineffective healing, rather than effective.
Abolish Poison now ticks every 3 secs for 12 secs. (Previously ticked every 2 secs for 8 secs)
Improved Mark of the Wild: Now also increases all of your total attributes by 1/2%.
New Talent: Improved Barkskin: Increases the damage reduction granted by your Barkskin spell by 5/10%, and increases your resistance to Dispel mechanics by an additional 30/60% while under the effect of Barkskin.
Improved Regrowth (Tier 6) renamed Nature's Bounty. Increases the critical effect chance of your Regrowth and Nourish spells by 5/10/15/20/25%. (Previously increased just regrowth crit by 10/20/30/40/50%)
Intensity (Tier 3) now allows 17/33/50% of mana regeneration to continue while casting. (Previously 10/20/30%)
Replenish: This talent is now re-named "Revitalize" and now also works with Wild Growth.
Tree of Life: You can now use Nature's Grasp and Thorns while within this form.

Glyphs!

Glyph of Shred - Each time you Shred, the duration of your Rip on the target is extended 2 sec, up to a maximum of 6 sec. (Old - Increases the damage dealt by Shred to stunned and incapacitated targets by 20%.)
Glyph of Rebirth -- Players resurrected by Rebirth are returned to life with 100% health. (Old: Increases the amount of health on a character brought back to life via Rebirth by 100%.)
Glyph of Starfall -- Reduces the cooldown of Starfall by 90 sec. (Old: Increases the duration of Starfall by 2 sec.)
Glyph of Berserk *new* -- Increases the duration of Berserk by 5 sec.
Glyph of Wild Growth *new* -- Wild Growth now affects up to 6 targets.
Glyph of Nourish *new* -- Your Nourish heals an additional 6% for each of your heal over time effects present on the target.
Glyph of Savage Roar *new* -- Your Savage Roar ability grants an additional 6% bonus damage done.
Glyph of Typhoon *new* -- Reduces the cooldown of your Typhoon spell by 3 sec.
Glyph of Barkskin *new* -- Reduces the chance you'll be critically hit by melee attacks by 1 to 0% while Barkskin is active.

Druid Tier 8 Night Elf Male
Druid Tier 8 Night Elf Female

This is my suggested DPS-build. Add a Glyph of Savage Roar (6% extra damage, for a total of 36%) and you'll be a'rockin' the world.

Publication par Katsudon

Perhaps I'm stupid but can someone explain the living seed change?

Publication par 109094

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Publication par visas

I really wish they'd give tree of life some basic soloing spells =/

Like, let the druid cast entangling roots and wrath from tree of life form =(

Publication par Slimda

Savage roar changed from 40% AP to 30% damage. Hmm.

I really wish they'd give tree of life some basic soloing spells =/

Like, let the druid cast entangling roots and wrath from tree of life form =(

That's like saying Shadowform should be able to heal. Treeform is a healing-form. It has nothing to do with killing stuff.

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Publication par Aadramelekh

33% bonus armor on the Survival of the Fittest talent. YUCK! What the hell are they... Oh well. At least Savage Defense looks promising enough (mainly against raid bosses) to offset the major armor reduction. The extra +2% all stats from Improved MotW will also help a bit.

And no more AP bonus from Savage Roar, changed to +30% physical damage... I guess it means that bleeds will not be buffed anymore now? Not sure. So agility / crit will be the main DPS stats, strength had its hour of glory. But still, bleeds that critically hit - sure looks like a nice sustained DPS increase.

Publication par Maelwys

A couple things to say.

1) Feral is getting some nice things, though they have missed some of the big ones.
a) Infected Wounds proc'd on Swipe
b) Innate problems of Savage Defense
c) Lacerate is still $%^&.
d) The tree is still bloated.

2) Balance and Restoration Druids are getting NERFs while Death Knights, Ret Paladins, and Rogues are getting BUFFS.
a) Owlkin Frenzy sucks even harder than it used to (hard2believe).
b) Abolish Poison got nerfed.
c) None of the thousands of issues we've posted on various forums have been answered with an experimentation at best.

3) Our most effective burst healing (Regrowth) just got nerfed when our burst healing is the worst in the game (less healing, longer cooldowns).

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Publication par Aadramelekh

Yeah, no more wet pants about seeing 4000+ crits on Rip ticks or 4500+ on Rake. But anyway, with this little talent point they have improved feral sustained DPS quite a bit.

Math math math math... So, assuming some rounded values of ~9000 AP (passive) for a well geared raid buffed pussy cat, we are looking at (Mangle is active):

1. Rake that ticks for 1205 and critically ticks for 2410. If the talent and meta gem that influence critical damage bonus work for bleeds as well, then we are looking at 2723 critical ticks. So over 9 seconds, Rake can do anywhere from 3615 to 7230 (8169) damage. Hooray!

2. Rip (detailed formula is for 5 CP) that ticks for 1280 and critically ticks for 2560 (2892). So over 20 seconds (considering glyph and 2xT7 bonus), it does anywhere from 12800 to 25600 (28920). Compared to the current fixed value of ~16500 that it does with ~15000AP (Savage Roar active), I say it is a MAJOR buff (an average of ~21000 damage over 20 seconds with ~50% crit chance, which translates into an approximate 28-30% increase). Wakka wakka wakka!

Publication par Slimda

I have only one thing to say, Aadramelekh.

/drool

*edit*

Guess I'll start farming Jewelcrafting-mats for agility-gems now then. Oh well. Shame the Agi/Stam-gem hasn't been implemented.

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Publication par Kaitain

for the locations of the new talents, check http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?druid=&version=9614

Publication par Aadramelekh

Mangle was already included, parrazell. And somehow I don't think Savage Roar will influence bleeds. Because the +30% buff to physical damage done is roughly equivalent (even a bit better) to the previous +40% on AP, if it is applied to bleed damage as well, that will probably put pussy cats right on top of the food chain on the DPS charts. I don't think they (Blizzard) would do such an OP thing.

But no more assumptions... Let's do some math.

Shred! The 'laz0rpewpew' main combo point builder of pussies.

With Savage Roar and 12600 AP (up from the passive 9000 I considered before, no trinket or enchant procs and stuff), shred does now 4703 normal damage (Mangled and bleeding target) and 10628 critical damage (properly talented and gemmed).

With the new version of Savage Roar (+30% physical damage), we consider 9000 AP and we have: 4940 normal damage (Mangle and bleed active) and 11164 critical damage.

Basically the +30% physical damage Savage Roar will provide a 5% increase to physical damage compared to the current state of +40% AP.

So our melee swings, Mangle and Shred (which together make up to ~65% of total damage) will get a 5% buff, and bleeds get an approximate 30% buff (if we consider Savage Roar NOT to affect them). This is already a pretty consistent buff to sustained DPS. To be more precise, an average DPS increase of 12% - 14%. Basically that would mean that instead of 672801 total damage (4616 DPS) I would have obtained ~767000 total damage (~5260 DPS). Phat DPS if you ask me.

Therefore I do not believe Savage Roar will increase Rake and Rip by 30% as well. If that would be the case, the total DPS increase for a pussy cat would float around 23-25%. Totally OVERPOWERED.

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Publication par Aadramelekh

~~Well I do not have some official Blizzard source saying that Bleed Damage is essentially physical damage. But since the clear distinction is made through words (for instance, take~~

Forget that. My jaw has dropped. I found this source on the issue of Bleed Damage which confirms what I was thinking also but was not completely sure of. So in essence, Bleed is a damage over time debuff that deals physical damage.
I think I came in my pants again. So it appears that pussies ARE getting an average 23-25% increase to their DPS capabilities. Once again...HOLY CRAP!QFT

PS:

The new version of Savage Roar is ~5% more powerful for Melee Swings, Mangle and Shred. Let's see how powerful it is for bleed effects...

Setup: 9000 base AP, Mangled target, Glyph and 2xT7 bonus.

Savage Roar +40% AP results in 12600 AP. Rip does 1513.2 damage per tick, 15132 damage over 20 seconds.

Savage Roar +30% physical damage. Starting from base 9000 AP, Rip does 1279.2 damage per tick, 12792 damage over 20 seconds. Increasing that by 30% results in 1663 damage per tick, 16630 damage over 20 seconds.

So the new version of Savage Roar is ~10% more powerful for Rake and Rip. Keep in mind, this is only a comparison for the base power of Savage Roar, NO Primal Gore talent taken into account.

I'd say it will scale much better than the +40% AP version. Why? Because in the previous formula, only the AP component of damage was affected by Savage Roar. And Melee Swings, Mangle and Shred all have their damage calculated from a portion of total AP plus some constant values, as follows (110 is the base 'paw damage' for pussies @ level 80):

Melee Swings (also considered 'normal damage', abbreviated ND): 110 + 7.14%*AP
Mangle: 2*ND + 635 = 2*(110+AP/14) + 635 = 855 + 14.28%*AP
Shred: 2.25*ND + 742.5 = 2.25*(110+AP/14) + 742.5 = 990 + 16%*AP

What do we see from here? The current version of Savage Roar is buffing only the AP related portion of these attacks. The new version will buff the FINAL values for those calculations. Which results in the previously calculated 5% increase for Melee Swings, Mangle and Shred plus the 10% increase for Rake and Rip.

I am pretty convinced this is the ideal formula, because it scales with the final value (AP + constant) of the abilities, not only with the AP portion of it. Blizzard finally tuned pussy cat DPS to the level it should have been.

PS2: For the fun of it.

I calculated that, with Primal Gore, Rip does (at 50% crit chance) anywhere from 12800 to 25600 (28920) for 9000 AP. If we apply the +30% Savage Roar bonus... It does anywhere from 16630 to - hold on to your butts - 33280 (37596) damage. Once again...HOLY CRAP!QFT. Hallelujah!

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Publication par Aadramelekh

Amen to that, pussy cat.

Publication par Slimda

I think I'm gonna get my DK to tank. Screw bear-tanking, I'm going kittypewpew!