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cheesechamp
How useful is this talent in blood tanking?
With ~35k health, the minimum 5% that is required for this effect to occur is 1750. In raid scenarios, this isn't very much, and most mobs hit much harder than this, so the 5% required for the proc is not an issue.
my biggest beef is in the 35% number. With the same health, 35% is 12,250hp. Whenever I see my health dropping to even under 20,000, I start reaching for my CD's, and with CD's, nothing in this game will hit me for 12,250, so the blow that lands will not be fatal. I also know for a fact that I am running with pro healers, and when they see me drop below 50%, they begin spamming whatever they can to bring me back up to full, meaning I will more than likely never reach 35% to begin with.
Also, 3 points in this talent only reduces 15% of the damage which would reduce me to under 35% on the very rare occasions that I actually fall to that low of hp. This probably only takes away ~2000 damage at the most, which could easily be accounted for by a rune tap/healthstone/health potion, if the situation desperately calls for it.
To sum up, I do not believe this talent is worth putting points into as it rarely procs, and for the 3 points a 15% reduction is not very effective.
Post by
rocketw
This is more of a PVP talent, as a sort of last ditch helper.
In raiding you won't be dropping below 50% much, so I'd skip it, but that's just me.
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cheesechamp
Lynri, in the past you have helped me, and you have helped many DK's become better, and for that I thank you. But now I must tell you that your post in this thread is COMPLETELY wrong.
First of all I would like to point out that you left out an important part of the quote of me. I really said that
with CD's
, no ability would hit me for over 12.5k, you seem to have totally skipped over that important 50% reduction from IF.
In your post you listed a number of abilities that deal enough damage to proc WotN, I took the liberty of showing you why each and every one of these will never proc WotN:
Overload-Iron Council, only an idiot would be hit by this
Fusion punch-Iron Council, First of all, our druid tanks this boss, second of all, AMS and IF do more than enough reduction to put its total damage under 12k, not to mention my healers will be ready to heal a massive amount of damage at this point in time no matter how much damage I take.
Meltdown-Iron Council hard mode, this ability is an auto-death if it is cast on me, so WotN would be useless regardless, and if it is not on me, then there is no reason why the person it is cast on should be anywhere near me.
Shatter-Ignis, only an idiot would stand near the construct after it is in the water.
Petrifying breath- (quite possibly the most ignorant of your spells) Kologarn, cast on the player with highest threat if he is not in melee range....why the hell would I be MT AND out of melee range?
Gravity bomb-only a fail raid will take damage from this, and I assure you, my guild is not fail.
Flash freeze-Hodir, once again, only an idiot would get hit by this.
Icicle...please tell me what this is, your link is to an ability that does 0 damage
Frozen Blows-Hodir, FrR gear, AMS, and IF do more than enough to mitigate the frost damage from this.
Plasma blast-Mimiron, AMS and IF make this ability do virtually 0 damage, not to mention the heavy heals that will be on me at this point.
Shock blast-Mimiron, only an idiot will be hit by this.
Searing flames-Vezax, this is interrupted EVERY time, and therefore is a non-threat.
Maexna's Frenzy- I'm amused that you even put this in here, my guild has had naxx on farm for 4 months, and this is one of the easiest bosses in there. Not to mention that my CDs reduce almost all of the damage taken during this "frenzy".
Hateful strikes-Patchwerk, this is mitigated by armor and as I have mentioned before, our healers are pro, so this is a non-threat as well.
Berserk- Really Lynri? you put timer enrages on this? I havn't seen one of those since December.
Frost breath-Sapphiron, only an idiot gets hit by this, not to mention that even with WotN this will still cause instant death.
Frostbolt-KT, FrR gear makes this hit for <5k on average, not to mention it is interrupted 90% of the time.
As for your little "stacking debuffs" on certain bosses, we bring more than one tank for a reason bro.
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cheesechamp
Alright, I admit I have been flash frozen once or twice.
But even if WotN can be used once or twice in a raid, and just because it's the only realy mitigation/avoidance talent blood has, doesnt mean it's worth getting. My current blood spec does not have it, but all of my healers say I am just as easy to heal as I was when I was frost, even though I lost the 3% miss and 2% extra reduction from imp. frost presence.
The real benefit I see in blood is not from the hp, but in the tps. In switching from frost to blood I saw my single target tps go up from ~4k on average to ~7k on average. I was going to switch back if it was harder on the healers to keep me up, but since it wasn't, I am now a blood tank.
I have had no troubles staying alive as my guild prgresses through uld25, but my tps is now miles ahead of all dps, which was not the case before.
If you would like to examine my gear/spec,
here
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cheesechamp
Except I will. I never need to blow my CD's on trash, and my guild has set up tank rotation systems so that whenever I may need CDs and I'm tanking a boss, I have them. For example lets take Mimiron's plasma blast:
Depending on the dps for that particular round of Mimi, our group will endure 2-3 plasma blasts. The first plasma blast is always taken by me, blowing AMS and IF. Then after the shock blast that inevitably folows, our druid tank taunts and blows his CDs to survive round 2. If there is a round 3, I will again blow my CDs.
My CDs are not constantly blown. I save them for when I NEED them.
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cheesechamp
Have you looked at my spec? If not I don't blame you, i wouldn't go around checking everyones spec in every thread either, but if you get a chance, will you please tell me what I could drop to get 3 points into WotN without sacrificing too much tps?
I prefer to keep Rune Tap for the occasional situation when a healer dies and has to get brezzed or something, and Vamp blood is needed for the extra survival CD.
I won't lie to you, I will probably come up with a reason against dropping whatever you say, as my survivability has not been an issue at all in our 25 mans. If it was, then I may consider getting WotN, but until then, I'm probably sticing with this spec.
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cheesechamp
Wow lynri thank you for catching my glyph of OB. I had that for my frost spec and I guess I completely forgot to switch it out. Now I feel pretty foolish.
I like epidemic because it allows time for an extra use of a blood rune in between pestilences. An extra HS is always good.
My guild does not have a reliable warrior tank, and I am usually running with a paladin and a druid, so imp IT is very useful.
I have noticed that my scent of blood always seems to have an extra charge, and was considering dropping a point out of that. I'll probably do that.
You keep saying that this is Blood's only mitigation talent. While this is true, that does not make it a talent worth getting. It will never make the differene between life and death for me.
To those mocking me for claiming invincibility:
Yes I understand that sh*t happens, but most of the mistakes that could be made for massive damage will not be made by me. Barring a massive lag spike, which I almost never get with my internet connection, I do not make many mistakes. I'm not trying to say I'm perfect, I'm just saying that I'm not as imperfect as most people.
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cheesechamp
I will probably pick up hysteria for a point of SoB. I prefer to keep imp icy touch for pulls where the mobs are separated and the pally tank is not on my target. It also helps in heroics and other raids where only I am on the target, EoE and OS for example.
WotN has still failed to impress me, and I can't find a way to justify putting any points into it. It appears that this is a personal preference though, and will not try to impose my beliefs on others that wish to have it.
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