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HiVolt
I had an interesting thought while musing on the
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krystalmeth started about a war between Humans and Orcs if it were brought into reality. What if the Orcs weren't the targets of Kil'jaeden's corruption, but the Humans?
Barring their worship of the Light, and other things, let's say that's how things happened, that the Humans were the ones corrupted. They would have a rather large obstacle ahead of them in conquering Azeroth. There are myriad Trolls, the Night Elves, the High Elves, the Dwarves and Gnomes, the Tauren, the Pandaren, the Naga, the Insectoid races, the Vrykul, and many, many others to contend with. There would probably be many who would come to the aid of the Humans and pledge their allegiance to the Legion, but there would be many more who would stand against them.
The ultimate goal of this, of course, would be to build an army massive enough to invade Draenor and bring about the utter humiliation and defeat of the Draenei. Would the orcs pose as a threat to this invasion? Would the clans unite against a common enemy? Would they offer help to the Draenei?
I'd love to hear some opinions on this idea.
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Post by
Adamsm
Depends, if the Legion got ahold of Lordaeron and Stormwind, they probably would have been able to convince the other 6 major regions what they were doing was for the good. As for the Dwarves and the Gnomes, they might have joined with the Fel Alliance, but more as allies then anything else.
The Trolls would have fought no matter what, they hate all all other races after, seeing them as the enemies. Only reason the Trolls joined the Horde was the rescuing of Zul'jin and the pledge to destroy the High Elves........which actually if the Fel Alliance had offered that, they might join up as well.
The High Elves and the Night Elves on the other hand, they would have fought the Fel Alliance with all their might, they remember the Legion after all.
As for the Nerubians and Silithids; thats a loaded question, the Silithid are the weapons of the Old God C'thun after all, he would have had them fight the fel Alliance, just on principle. As for the Nerubians, depends on whether or not they go to Northrend and disturb them.
Hard to tell, the Draenei and the Orc's had a good relationship, but it was mainly "We stay on our side, you stay on your's" type of thing. If the Legion attempted to turn azeorth into a war planet and send them through a portal to attack, more then likely they would have run into the orc's long before the Draenei, and if this Fel Alliance was anything like the Fel Horde, they would have killed first asked questions after. So it's possible the Orc clans would have united to fight against the enemy and joined with the Draenei.
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HiVolt
Depends, if the Legion got ahold of Lordaeron and Stormwind, they probably would have been able to convince the other 6 major regions what they were doing was for the good. As for the Dwarves and the Gnomes, they might have joined with the Fel Alliance, but more as allies then anything else.
Guilt by association becomes the factor here. More likely than not, if the dwarves and gnomes continued to aid the humans, they would have eventually been turned into Legion soldiers, just like everyone else who allied with them.
The Trolls would have fought no matter what, they hate all all other races after, seeing them as the enemies. Only reason the Trolls joined the Horde was the rescuing of Zul'jin and the pledge to destroy the High Elves........which actually if the Fel Alliance had offered that, they might join up as well.
The trolls would more than likely be the first target of the humans, simply because they had been the humans most recent enemies. But still, the sheer force of number that the trolls have would prove a very big challenge, especially if the different empires united.
The High Elves and the Night Elves on the other hand, they would have fought the Fel Alliance with all their might, they remember the Legion after all.
True, so they would play as a very hard force to overcome in such a situation. I might even go so far as to say they'd align with the trolls if the trolls saw the humans as more of a threat. But that's a
HUGE
if.
As for the Nerubians and Silithids; thats a loaded question, the Silithid are the weapons of the Old God C'thun after all, he would have had them fight the fel Alliance, just on principle. As for the Nerubians, depends on whether or not they go to Northrend and disturb them.
I threw these in because I know that the Legion doesn't leave remote parts of any world unconquered. The Silithid would definitely fight back, being tools of C'thun, but perhaps the Nerubians wouldn't. Maybe they would even join the humans. I already think that the Vrykul would join them, simply for the lust for power.
Hard to tell, the Draenei and the Orc's had a good relationship, but it was mainly "We stay on our side, you stay on your's" type of thing. If the Legion attempted to turn azeorth into a war planet and send them through a portal to attack, more then likely they would have run into the orc's long before the Draenei, and if this Fel Alliance was anything like the Fel Horde, they would have killed first asked questions after. So it's possible the Orc clans would have united to fight against the enemy and joined with the Draenei.
These were almost my exact thoughts on the matter.
I like the term "Fel Alliance" too, nice name for it.
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Adamsm
I doubt the Nerubians would willing join the Legion, after all the few living one's we see in Northrend are neutral to Horde and Alliance, and in fact help us with quests and the like. Again, if the Fel Alliance (what else are you going to call it heh) went to Northrend and attacked them, forcing a different kind of War of the Spider, I could see them fighting back.
As for Vyrkul, without the Scourge would they have even woken up?
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HiVolt
As for Vyrkul, without the Scourge would they have even woken up?
Oh yeah, absolutely. They woke up when the Alliance started encroaching on their lands, so why wouldn't they if the Fel Alliance or the Nerubians were?
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HiVolt
Well, the orcs were convinced to attack their neighbors because the demons made them think that the draenei were going to attack them, It would be much harder to convince the humans to go to a different world and destroy some far away race that they had never even heard of.
Seems like it would work both ways if you ask me. Some huge powerful being comes to you and tells you that you and your people are in danger, you're gonna listen, even if your first thought is that you're nuts.
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HiVolt
Yeah, but the draenei are X-thousand lightyears away through the twisting nether, no one had heard of them yet, im sure the humans would react with the same disdain that they reacted when medivh told them to run to kalimdor, they threw him out of you recall, only thrall and jaina really listened to him.
You're forgetting though, the humans and what allies they may have would be complete agents of the Legion in this scenario. They've already pledged themselves to Kil'jaeden and conquered Azeroth by the time that the Legion would even tell them about the draenei.
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HiVolt
With the possibilities of the Army of the Light the Naaru could lure Draenor's denizens to Azeroth so they can save the day.
And don't forget Andormu yelling: Its not supposed to be like this!
Definitely a possiblity, but did the Naaru bring in their Army of Light to save the countless other worlds the Legion had conquered already? Seems to me that they're buying their time, watching and waiting for the perfect moment to strike, when the Legion is weaker than it ever has been; and in this case, they wouldn't be too weak it seems.
But then, there are the Dragonflights and the other Titans that may call on the Naaru for help, in that case, they may come.
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HiVolt
I can understand your hesitance on thinking about the matter as I've put it forth, I had my reservations about the thought as well. I realized that lorewise, something like this could never happen. But then, I just forgot about the lore and started to wonder about how the events would unfold if the timeline was altered in such a way for this to happen.
I get that it's a pretty bold and presumptuous idea, but that's all it is, an idea. You can speculate on it if you want, but you don't have to, I was just taken up with the notion for awhile. Being the tactical minded person that I am, I wondered where battlefronts would be, who would be the main targets on Azeroth, if any alliances should be formed, etc.
It's all in good fun, not meant to be taken too seriously.
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Adamsm
Yeah this is a massive What If senario, have fun with it:
So as for the Guardians of Trisfallen, let's be honest, they failed heh. Medivh was corrupted by Sargeras, so we can reverse the roles here; He convinces his best friends Lothar and Llane that the Draenei are a grand threat and they have to travel there to stop them. I mean come on; the most powerful wizard in the world tells you about a threat your not going to laugh and pat his head.
The Legion would enjoy cleansing the world of the Elf races and any others who stood against them as a test of the Fel Alliance, and they would see the dwarves joining as a massive boon as the Earthen fought against them in the War of the Ancients.
As for being believed; Kil'jaeden convinced Ner'zhul he was his dead mate, the Dreadlords lead the Scarlet Crusade/Onslaught from behind the scenes for quite a long time till we figure it out. Would it really be that hard for them to appear as Angels and Beings of Light that support this interdimensional war? Don't forget, without the power of the Ata'mai Crystals, Velen and his people would have been captured on Argus before the Naaru saved them, as the crystal's revealed members of their kind had already been turned into Man'ari.
It's not that hard to see how things could be reveresed.
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Post by
HiVolt
It does take a lot of imagination, more than my tired brain is ready to deal with tonight I'm afraid. I'll look at this again sometime this weekend and maybe see things a bit differently. I do know this story would be vastly different from the one we know now.
Definitely, there are so many things that could happen. I wonder what gnomes would look like in their corrupted forms... I hope not leper gnomes, that's too easy.
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Adamsm
Heh, maybe the entire corrupted gnome race would look like the t6 Warlock set of armour. It always looked amazing on a gnome, espically the random wing flaps.
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HiVolt
Heh, maybe the entire corrupted gnome race would look like the t6 set of
warlock
armour. It always looked amazing on a gnome, espically the random wing flaps.
Fix'd. But yeah, that would be pretty cool. Although I'd like to think of them as running around as tiny little pit lords.
Footman: "Aww, he's got a big ol' blade don't he?"
Captain: "Careful, soldier, that's a powerful demonic force there."
Footman: "Who's a powerful demonic force? You are! Yes you are!"
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Adamsm
Lol, oops heh. But atleast you could tell what I was talking about.
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