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What if consencrate healed? A new aoe heal, WHAT?
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Post by
Gibby
So I play a Prot/Holy Paladin. I must say, the whole Paladins as single target healers is pretty true. There've been several thoughts and Ideas on how to buff aoe heals, I just read one that I simply LOVE (Ok so it's not mine). Anyways, there's already a talent in the holy tree to reduce consencrate's mana by 20% or whatever it was, and to make that talent viable, why not put a deep holy talent called
(Empowering Consencration) 1/1
Your Consencration spell now heals party/raid members for 300 per second (Work in progress, rough lvl 80 estimate). This portion of the spell can only affect up to 5 party/raid members for each tick, and will target players with the lowest % of health. Consencration's damage portion is now lowered by 50% (So aoe spamming healadins can't rock to dps, just to be fair).
This effectively gives healadins a raidwide and smart healing spell, The glyph of consencrate already works perfectly to this, giving a longer duration and some more efficiency to the spell!
What do you think guys!
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Post by
Gibby
Yea, we have a raid-wide heal, and so do shadowpriests. But is that spell profoundly good enough to help aoe heal during a tight spot? No, plain and simple.
I'm talking the typical CoH/WG kinda thing, it blasts a few people with moderately powerful heals, and has a cooldown. It's not OP, consencrate sits in one spot, it's basically like a rejuvinating spa for a few seconds.
Also, why the hell would you oppose this? You must surely know that certain fights would of been easier with a little aoe assistance.
Post by
Squishalot
Let's make an ability called 'Divine Empowerment' in deep Ret that increases the Paladin's melee range by 30 yards and reduces the cooldown of Divine Storm by 8 seconds.
Why the hell would you oppose this? There are definitely fights which would have been easier with AoE assistance. But you'd oppose it because it's
just not right
.
Think about what Consecration is in lore, really. Consecrating ground makes it impossible for Undead and Demons to step foot on it without being destroyed. In reality, Consecration should really Undead and Demons only, in much the same way that Exorcism should be back to Undead and Demons only (including Warlock pets).
If all you're asking is for an extra ability to make you less useless, well things are fairly reasonably balanced as it is. Paladins don't AoE heal, same way that Rets don't do ranged AoE DPS.
Edit: Made Divine Empowerment less OP and more realistic, relative to the idea of Empowering Consecration.
Post by
Gibby
May you explain how rets going from melee to ranged has anything to do with an aoe heal? I don't want to be an ass, but instead of saying "oh it's op" or "nope, lore doesn't allow it". Could you offer a suggestion, or something insightful to make this a better ability? Just saying "Paladins don't AoE heal" is like telling developers to buff the class. It's great and all if you have a niche, but when you're totally limited to it, well, it just sucks.
I'm just offering a suggestion to increase paladin AoE healing. In near-any raid environment, you're going to have a ret (so many of them), they, if anything should judge light due to continueous uptime, don't try to call it our aoe heals again. Giving more variety is always nice. Less opposition, more suggestions.
Post by
Squishalot
*cough* It's got plenty to do with an aoe heal. Like raid healing, Pallies don't do ranged dps. Ret pallies are gimped in that respect, where we get left behind when you've got people in trade yelling "LFM H NAXX RANGED DPS ONLY".
Just saying "Paladins don't AoE heal" is like telling developers to buff the class.
Actually, it's telling people that we don't AoE heal. You're the one telling developers to buff the class.
Giving more variety is always nice. Less opposition, more suggestions.
Yep, it would be priests, Resto shamans and Resto Druids with their great raid-healing abilities. That gives the raid plenty of variety.
Ret pallies have a 'niche' as such - melee dps, in the same way that Warlocks have a niche of ranged caster dps. Holy paladins have a niche of single-target healing. Unless you're somehow willing to argue that Ret pallies should expand their abilities to include ranged DPS, I fail to see why Holy pallies should expand their abilities to include AoE heals.
In case you didn't know, since you're relatively new here, I'm a prot pally, first and foremost. So essentially, I've been scripted to be limited to tanking PvE, and that's it. I use what the game's given me to break out of that mould. You should learn to too.
Post by
Gibby
I enjoy your logic, it saddened me that you were right, yet I understood you better. Anywas I can concur with what you're saying. But atleast give your thoughts to the Spell itself, and not the chaotic / niche-breaking that it would cause. I thought it was a neat idea, wondering if anyone else would too.
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Post by
Squishalot
Well, for starters.
Even if you nerfed damage on Consecrate by half, let's see what would happen.
You would get people spec'ing deep Holy to get it, then off-spec'ing into Ret for DPS value, with maybe 5 points in Divinity for increased heals and 5 points in Divine Strength, for DPS benefit.
Consecrate scales in line with AP, so you would have pallies in Ret gear with their 5000 AP and 1500 SP doing 400 odd heals per second from it, and associated 200 dps from the damage component.
In a 10 man raid, you can get 10 Holy/Ret pallies sitting there, dishing out 2k HPS (being 400 heals on 5 targets) from their Consecrate alone, being 4k HPS on the 5 weakest targets. Each one would get 200 DPS, plus their Melee, SoV damage and Holy Shock.
Actually, take that back. You'd have 8 Shockadins, one Pally Tank and a cookie cutter Holy paladin with Beacon,
so that the Tank gets no less than 20k HPS from the non-stop AoE healing being done
.
Then consider that you don't have enough variety, and you swap out to a more conventional setup. Take out 5 Shockadins and replace with conventional DPS - you can go Mage, Shadow Priest, Warrior, Shaman and Boomkin, for what it matters.
Your tank is still going to be receiving 8k HPS from the Holy Paladin and the 3 Shockadins (being 400 heals * 4 paladins * 5 targets, beaconed). Plus, he has 5 Sacred Shields, all blessings, all auras, and 4 Holy Pallies ready to spam Holy Shock as and when necessary. And when they're not healing, they'll be dps'ing, and if for some reason those heals aren't enough, they can Glyph for Holy Light to do even more group healing.
Possibly a misuse of your spell idea? Definitely. But undeniably possible, based on what you're suggesting.
Edit: Please note - this doesn't include increased healing from talents like Divinity. In theory, the HPS benefit that the Tank gets would be increased by 5% from the Shockadin's Divinity talents, and possibly again by 5% from his own Divinity talent, if he chooses to spec there. Not to mention anything else.
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Post by
Squishalot
With no haste, you can have a rotation with 3 Flashes, one Holy Light, and one Consecrate.
With haste, the world is your oyster. All you'd need to do is calculate the total casting time and add it up to 8 seconds. Too easy.
Unless you mean mana-wise. In which case, consider that Holy Light uses about 50% more mana than Consecrate does.
Post by
pezz
We have glyphed holy light, beacon (which is getting a huge buff in 3.2), and judgement of light. Put together that is more than enough for light or medium raid damage, while still focusing on the tank. Pop Divine Illumination and Holy Light spam through heavy raid damage some time. Sure, it isn't technically AoE, but you'll keep the raid alive easily unless your haste sucks.
We already have some AoE healing, not like other healers have but enough to get by. And really, if every healing class was equally good at every kind of incoming damage, what would be the point of having four classes?
Not to mention if Blizzard ever got it into their heads that we needed better AoE heals you just know our single target healing would take a huge hit to compensate.
Post by
Zarra
You are basically suggesting we get given a Healing Stream Totem. How are you justifying the limited range of concecration with the raid wide healing it would offer. The only thing fitting with a paladin would be a CDed aoe heal (tranquility style) but we got given DS which in essense is a raid wide dmg reducer, even if it has a CD.
Even if you think it s a cool idea you have to put it into context. I think flying pallies is a cool idea but how does that fit in? In order to buff our AoE healing capability (which we don't have by default) we dont need just a %^&*tie totem, we would need a serious AoE spell and that is not what a paladin is. Also that HPS you re suggesting is too much and opens room for abuse. If it is lower though, it would render that spell totally not worth it. In sort, it's not a good idea to implement. It's a cool "what if" idea, but a bad actual one to make it into the game.
Post by
Squishalot
Its a great idea. An idea should not be disected and flamed. I for one am kinda tired of seeing "LF2M EoE need heals, no pallies or shamans pls" or "LF heals EoE priest or druid".
Just remembered to call you up on that. How often have you seen "LFM NAXX ranged dps, no pallies or dks!"?
Post by
Zarra
That's where aura mastery comes into play and you can heal while you re being tossed around. If raid leaders don't know that then explain it to them. If they don't wanna know then it s better that you don't enter that raid.
Post by
Squishalot
That's where aura mastery comes into play and you can heal while you re being tossed around. If raid leaders don't know that then explain it to them. If they don't wanna know then it s better that you don't enter that raid.
... What exactly does that have to do with ranged dps?
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