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Post by
Madmick
Barely beating a prot warrior blowing all of his CDs, in three different duels. The last one, I decided to go more offensive.
http://www.xfire.com/video/18189f/
http://www.xfire.com/video/1818b8/
http://www.xfire.com/video/1818e7/
I'll make sure to record a couple against some good arms warriors.
Stranger, I see Blue Sky Logging Grounds under attack- how do you get it to report Defense info from different zones than the one you're in? I was just completely ignorant this was possible.
Also, I'm curious about your add-ons. What was that large white border that encased you? The one that looked like a set of parentheses surrounding you. I believe it informs you of your FoF proc, but I've never seen it before.
Also, I have trouble even seeing what you're casting because it appears you've hidden your bartender bars. You also appear to have very slots to monitor your spells (underneath your life), and they're bound to page based on your modifier key, I'm guessing? So you hold shift, you see the menu for those spells that you cast using shift as your modifier key.
You also have a very simple UI of yourself and your opponent. Is that Pitbull just modifed differently than I modify it? And I don't recognize what's going on at the top of the screen, either.
Very neat setup. Very clean.
Post by
Bazar
The information for fighting warriors are there in the previous threads, so rather then give a rundown, i'll highlight the key points.
Don't blink the first charge. Just move away. Nova him in place or let your shattered barrier talents do it for you.
Blink his intercept, then your ready to start bursting with your minions out.
Your minions will usually eat any spell-reflect they use, but if your concerned about it, just cast frost-ward before you start frostbolting.
If your bladestormed, blink. If you can't blink, ice-block. There are no other alternatives.
Post by
StrangerWifCandy
Stranger, I see Blue Sky Logging Grounds under attack- how do you get it to report Defense info from different zones than the one you're in? I was just completely ignorant this was possible.
Also, I'm curious about your add-ons. What was that large white border that encased you? The one that looked like a set of parentheses surrounding you. I believe it informs you of your FoF proc, but I've never seen it before.
Also, I have trouble even seeing what you're casting because it appears you've hidden your bartender bars. You also appear to have very slots to monitor your spells (underneath your life), and they're bound to page based on your modifier key, I'm guessing? So you hold shift, you see the menu for those spells that you cast using shift as your modifier key.
You also have a very simple UI of yourself and your opponent. Is that Pitbull just modifed differently than I modify it? And I don't recognize what's going on at the top of the screen, either.
Very neat setup. Very clean.
/join WorldDefense It's like local defense, but you can see where ANY zone is being attacked. Useful for when you're hunting for world pvp.
The borders you see are from an addon called PowerAuras, which keep track of some key buffs. The white one means I have fingers of frost, the orange half circle means Brain Freeze.
My cast bar is between my opponents and my own health bars. The icons you see underneath my health bar are my keybinds, and yes, most of them are macros that change what spell I cast with modifiers.
And yeah, it's pitbull, I just changed the sizes, textures, and colors to make it look like that. Very ambiguous addon.
Post by
Sgtpain
Barely beating a prot warrior blowing all of his CDs, in three different duels. The last one, I decided to go more offensive.
http://www.xfire.com/video/18189f/
http://www.xfire.com/video/1818b8/
http://www.xfire.com/video/1818e7/
I'll make sure to record a couple against some good arms warriors.
I totally love you for posting those. I dunno how many times I get so *!@#ed that a warrior can charge and reflect so often and keeping that gap is REALLY difficult.
I am really no good at playing my mage though. I will admit I am a clicker and that just doesn't mix well with a clothie class.
Post by
Madmick
The borders you see are from an addon called PowerAuras, which keep track of some key buffs. The white one means I have fingers of frost, the orange half circle means Brain Freeze.
My cast bar is between my opponents and my own health bars. The icons you see underneath my health bar are my keybinds, and yes, most of them are macros that change what spell I cast with modifiers.
And yeah, it's pitbull, I just changed the sizes, textures, and colors to make it look like that. Very ambiguous addon.
So is that Pitbull 3? I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I'm thinking I can't separate my castbar from the rest of my Player frame in Pitbull 4 (at least not yet). Or do you use Quartz for your castbar?
Powerauras looks very cool. I've seen it at Curse, but I didn't realize that's what it was. I'm assuming the bar at the top with the sliding icons monitoring your cd's is part of that add-on. That's nice. That would allow me to dispense of visible bartender bars underneath mine and my target's frame.
I also see you use Scorchio below that. What I don't understand is how you see the spell reflects on the warrior. I use Afflicted on the left side of my screen with bars to monitor both short and long cd's of my opponent, but that hasn't been working so well for me in arenas where things move faster. I'm seeing icons with timers pop up to the right of the warrior's frame (your target). Is that where you use Afflicted?
Also, where do you keep your focus frame? To the right of the target frame? I don't see buffs/debuffs around your Pitbull bar, so I'm trying to figure out how you monitor polymorph on your focus. I'm ashamed to say that I use the portrait inside my Pitbull bars so I can quickly see if my focus has a sheep's face or a humanoid one. I have debuffs showing below my frames, so that's how I watch the duration on my poly. Diminishing Returns attaches my DR with an icon to the left side of my Pitbull (and Gladiator) frames. I like that, that's working, but as you can probably tell, I have too much information coming from too many different places on my screen. I need to integrate and simplify.
Post by
Madmick
Dead-zone kiting. Basically, stay in the 5-8 yard range, spam ice lance, coc, and novas. When reflect is down, shatter combo. DF as often as possible.
This is unbelievably hard. I find this the most difficult aspect of kiting. Any tips would be welcome.
Post by
StrangerWifCandy
So is that Pitbull 3? I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I'm thinking I can't separate my castbar from the rest of my Player frame in Pitbull 4 (at least not yet). Or do you use Quartz for your castbar?
Powerauras looks very cool. I've seen it at Curse, but I didn't realize that's what it was. I'm assuming the bar at the top with the sliding icons monitoring your cd's is part of that add-on. That's nice. That would allow me to dispense of visible bartender bars underneath mine and my target's frame.
I also see you use Scorchio below that. What I don't understand is how you see the spell reflects on the warrior. I use Afflicted on the left side of my screen with bars to monitor both short and long cd's of my opponent, but that hasn't been working so well for me in arenas where things move faster. I'm seeing icons with timers pop up to the right of the warrior's frame (your target). Is that where you use Afflicted?
Also, where do you keep your focus frame? To the right of the target frame? I don't see buffs/debuffs around your Pitbull bar, so I'm trying to figure out how you monitor polymorph on your focus. I'm ashamed to say that I use the portrait inside my Pitbull bars so I can quickly see if my focus has a sheep's face or a humanoid one. I have debuffs showing below my frames, so that's how I watch the duration on my poly. Diminishing Returns attaches my DR with an icon to the left side of my Pitbull (and Gladiator) frames. I like that, that's working, but as you can probably tell, I have too much information coming from too many different places on my screen. I need to integrate and simplify.
It's Pitbull4 actually, and yeah I'm using Quartz for my seperate cast bar. They look like one solid frame because I just chose matching textures/font/color.
The cooldown monitor is an addon called CoolLine. Pretty neat.
I actually don't use an addon to keep track of buffs on my target. The icons you see to the right of my target frame is their buffs, provided by Pitbull4. I actually count in my head how many seconds I have left until a sheep/spell reflect/divine shield/whatever has until it fades and start casting things accordingly. Scorchio should keep track of this for you, but I only use mine to see how much time I have left until my water elemental fades.
My Afflicted timers are actually at the bottom of my screen, but I set it to only keep track of spell interrupts.
I'll try to post a video of how to dead-zone kite once I find an arms warrior. On my server, they don't like dueling (for good reason, warriors are terrible at 1v1).
Post by
Grums
You're better off firing a tank 1 fireblast/fireball off of it, so you don't waste any FoF charged (If you have any) and don't do much damage to yourself.
It will still waste one of ur FoF charges no matter what spell u cast at him.
Post by
Grums
Maby i faced only very poor warriors but for duel :
1) charge => blink (i know that most of mages will say im wrong in this point but im poor pvp:P who can kill poor warrior)
2) intrcept + Bladestorm => ice blok(dont play a hero, blade storm is deavastating, even with frost armor and ice barrier up it will take half of your life)
3) adds up
4) kite (shater, freeze, snare)
I dont know if someone is using this combo (if warrior used spell reflect and trincet):
shater duble combo = freez,frostbolt,deep freez,frostbolt+icelance
Most important is to stay close to him most warriors go backwards to make distance for charge:D its wery dificult especialy when he is slow down from ice armor or CoC. If u see it, go forward him and spam ice lance+ refresh CoC. If he hits u its good:D beacuse when your barrier go down he get freez agian:P
i always forgeting about frost ward- its not nececary to kill warrior, but its BIG help.
Holy fukin moly, I have never seen such a useless guide in my life :D:D
Post by
StrangerWifCandy
Uhh Grums, you screwed up your quotes, I never said something as stupid as that.
Post by
Bazar
Dead-zone kiting. Basically, stay in the 5-8 yard range, spam ice lance, coc, and novas. When reflect is down, shatter combo. DF as often as possible.
This is unbelievably hard. I find this the most difficult aspect of kiting. Any tips would be welcome.
Yeah, dont try it. I doubt its possible to keep in the deadzone with latency, and even if it was possible, it'd be too risky imo.
Learn to kite with nova's and blink
Post by
Madmick
Learn to kite with nova's and blink
I already know how to do that.
I hear your opinion, but until you showcase a video with your skills, I'll listen to him. Everything's hard at first, and for now, Stranger is the one player on this forum that I know for certain is superior to me in PvP.
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