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Post by
Skreeran
Rankkor's speaking of Varian not helping the towns was not implying that he was at fault. He was saying that it's Onyxia's fault because she mind-controlled Varian, just as the Shadow Council mind-controlled Garona.
His point was that neither should be faulted for their actions if I interpreted it correctly.
Post by
Patty
silence, perv Even if you intended this as a joke, it does not at all come across as one.
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451455
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Post by
Skreeran
Well, whatever he said most recently, I'm pretty sure that what I said was his original point, and I think that it's a valid point.
Post by
Patty
It is not represented as this at all. The quests are the same as when Onyxia was in charge! What you are saying is an interpretation, not canon.
And, as per usual, you delete your post in which you insult users to try and cover your tracks.
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451455
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Post by
Patty
I was typing as you deleted it. That's sly.
If you think you'll regret saying something - don't say it at all. Simple as that.
Post by
Rankkor
believe what you will darkton. facts remain there.
varian got kidnapped just before vainilla wow started. however his mind-controlled state is way older than that.
referr to this pls
exibit A
in varian's own words, after the death of his wife, he lost his will "it may had begun as a depretion, but for 10 years I was like one of the undead, my will mas muted, my mind was destroyed, I could barely hold a tought"
by that statement, onyxia has had varian under mind-controll since anduin was but a new-born baby.
and believe me, both the nightwatch and the people's militia are several years old, the town of moonbrook was razed several years ago (evidence by the amount of dust, and spiderwebs everywhere)
I know you admire varian, and it's hard for you to accept taht these events happened during his wathc, but they did bro'.
while varian was king, and was sitting on stormwind, his kingdom was beset by problems in all sides, and he did nothing, he was depressed, wich made it easier to onyxia to exert her controll on him, so that whenever a problem landed on his lap, he handled it over to katrana.
the best evidence of this behaviour is when the charming side of varian returned to stormwind, anduin tells his father of all the problems in the kingdom, but since varian was mind-controlled what did he said? "katrana will take care of everything"
vairan didnt went back to serve his people after tifflin's death, however, when anduin began to grow up, in varian's own words "I became aware, I began to assert my will, to fight off my lethargy"
these are varian's own words, and there is the comic page as evidence, what's lethargy?
wikipedia's definition of lethargy is
A state of apathy with lack of emotion or interest
he simply didn't had any intrerest in rule his land, and ignored his people's pleas for aid. handling those to katrana of course.
varian admited it himself , so don't counterdict him.
and also, you seem to think that I believe that varian did all of this on purpuse.
and that's a mistake, I said that he did all of these crimes because he was MIND-CONTROLLED.
but now that the mind.controll is gone, varian does takes care of his people, he sent out reinforcements to westfall (and that's why the former people's militia are on grizlly hills)
the whole point of this entire chunk of text is that wheter you admit it or not, durign the state of mind-controll that varian was in (wich lasted 10 years) he was a really crappy king, he let his people starve with high taxes imposed by katrana, he never paid atention to the pleas of aid from the other provinces, and even refused military aid to the ironforge dwarves.
he did all of that against his will, the real culprit is katrana, not varian, he's inocent of all those crimes, and as far as garona goes, did she wanted to kill Llane? nope, she was forced to doit.
just as varian was forced to ignore moonbrook, garona was forced to assassinate her friend.
so no darkton, I am not wrong, varian was mind-controlled for several years, and during those years he did behave like a crapy king.
if you wanna ignore that..... well that's not really my fault is it?
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229054
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Post by
Rankkor
Read it again, bro.
He specificly states that Varian let Goldshire, Northshire, and Darkshire defend themselves because he was to busy mourning Tiffen
o_O you may wanna read more clearly what I write dude.
I said that he let those towns to defend themselves because he was MIND-CONTROLLED.
and that while that excuse works for him it does not works for garona?
varian is inocent of these crimes, because he wanted to help his people, but katrana had him mind-controlled, and forced him to ignore their pleas for aid.
garona never wanted to kill Llane, she was his friend, and she wanted to help him, but the shadow council had her mind-controlled and forced her to kill her friend.
this is like the fifth time you miss-interpret what I say and twist it arround, stop doing that dude.
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358417
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Post by
Skreeran
and that while that excuse works for him it does not works for garona?
What do you want Varian to do? Look at Garona's wowwiki article?Valeera (essentially Varian's little sister), and Jaina (who goes everywhere with him), and Maraad (who's on the Skybreaker) all know that she's been mind-controlled since birth.
He should know by now.
Post by
Patty
The Shadow Council is out in the open now. Varian knows Garona was a product of rape and mind-controlled from birth - her uncle is in the Alliance after all.
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451455
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Post by
Patty
Not wrong, just confused. You are wrong, but its a understandable mistake.
These two comments contradict one another.
Edit: Fojar, they haven't shown Varian and Tiffen having sex - But Anduin is here. Therefore, it happened. Not everything is represented in WoW, which makes it annoying to talk about some things.
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229054
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Post by
Rankkor
and that while that excuse works for him it does not works for garona?
What do you want Varian to do? Look at Garona's wowwiki article?
stop using the same excuse all the other varian fans use.
he knows garona was mind-controlled.
at least half the people he keeps arround him know it.
he just plays dumb, that's all.
I'm not saying he should hug her, and have a bunch of half-orc kids with her, but he shouldn't try to execute her on the account of a crime she didn't comited.
and he knows she didn't comited it.
as skreeran and patty said, valeera, jaina, maraad, aegwynn, and quite a lot of people know that she was mind-controlled.
the shadow-council isn't so shadowy anymore, their dirty clothes are out in the open now.
besides, ignorance is a luxury a peasant can have, they can do stuff because "they didn't know" but a king can't have such luxury, whenever a king makes a desition, he must ALLWAYS have the facts clear.
when razor hill was atacked by the kul'tiras marines, did thrall did as varian commonly does? (make a quick judgement) nope, he investigated first, to know why it happened, and who was behind it.
varian does't bother, even when he knows, he just can't let go, of the past. (don't put the "he went to theramoore to make peace" as a point, he came on both ocations because others begged him to go)
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451455
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Post by
Skreeran
I asked everyone of you mutant Varian-hatersThat's the flaming thing we keep talking about.
And I understand if he doesn't forgive her, but now that he knows that truth, he shouldn't kill her. He'd essentially be committing a murder.
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