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Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings (Priest Talk Only)
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Post by
Elrael
That buffs makes all heals cast on that target also apply a shield for 15% of the healing done.
They say that the buff makes all heals cast on target 15% stronger and that the extra healing will not overheal. I don't think Blizzard has ever called ekstra healing for a "shield". You have asumed like most of us that it is a shield.
It probably is, but I would like to see something different and came up with an idea.
It's the other way around. Because it triggers shields for 15% of the healing done we call it extra healing. And because it are shields we say it cannot overheal with the "Extra healing"
Basically for easy comparing we call the shields "healing that cannot overheal."
There is no difference between ApS (Absorbs per Second) and HpS (Healing per Second) except that a shield is preventive. It still can "overheal(overshield)" when you shield more then the target gets damage. But in Ulduar this is so unlikely.
I must admit it can be confusing. The large amount of correction I did to make this post readable is the hidden proof of that.
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217276
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Post by
DSitC
There is no difference between ApS (Absorbs per Second) and HpS (Healing per Second) except that a shield is preventive.
There is a small but important difference. A shield will increase the tanks effective health while a regular healing spell will not! On special encounters (read: Sarth 3D) this is important. :-)
Post by
Elrael
ekstra
Sorry, but are you doing that on purpose?
Anyways I saw a great blogpost about Val'anyr
here
. A lot of good points are made. (Also read the comments.) A read for everyone who likes to read.
But long story short:
It is the best healing mace in game.
It has a great proc.
It seems to favor raid healers more.
And I guess we should say: "You are a idiot if you don't want it."
But I don't blame the pessimists (like me) who already lost it another healer(who deserves it equally or more) or don't got hopes on winning (Because they are new in the guild, or they are not raid healers, or evil officers, or some other healer has a lot more chance because he is a healing god.)
Post by
Aldones
Keep in mind that shields don't show up on Recount. So while you'll be very effective with it, it's not going to show.
Post by
Elrael
Keep in mind that shields don't show up on Recount. So while you'll be very effective with it, it's not going to show.
I guess the makers of
RecountGuessedAbsorbs
will add the proc.
Post by
61342
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Post by
Paolo
The proc is good for all healers. Yes, disc included, as the shields stack.
A case could be made that it's better for this or that class or spec, but in the end, it's just a kickass mace that will do tremendous benefit for your raid no matter what class/spec gets it. Period.
But given the fact that shield size scales with heals, I hate to say, it really does benefit meter-toppers best...our (disc) heals are smaller, which means the mace's shields will be smaller too. Ah, whatever...I'm #4 on our guild's list to get it, so I'll just have to look on at that awful holy priest who won the roll and will be doing better shields than me :(
Post by
OscarDivine
There are a few ways to look at benefits to a Disco Priest vs. a Holy Priest using this mace. Really, though, it's a matter of MT Healer vs Raid Healer.
Keep in mind a few things:
A Disco Priest's role is PRIMARILY MT Healing with Raid healing being a 2nd priority (usually)
A Holy Priest's role is PRIMARILY Raid Healing with MT Healing being a 2nd priority (usually, although I know we all throw heals on our MT)
In the Majority of Raid fights, Raid-wide damage is burst-like damage. There are few fights like Sapphiron where continuous raid-wide damage is occurring.
Those few fights where continuous Raid-Wide damage is occurring will make this mace absolutely BOSS in the hands of a Holy Priest.
The Effect of this mace is to create a BUFF - Which means that you must heal the target a SECOND time within 15 seconds to get more than one of those bubbles you're looking for. Therefore, raid healers will likely only get one bubble per target at most.
Disco Priests Healing is consistent and continuous on the same target, allowing for maximum usage of this buff on the target
Holy Priests will group heal several targets, usually not hitting a single target more than once. Since the Buff application is a "chance", the RNG will play a huge role in how many people end up with Blessing of Ancient Kings. (BoAK for short perhaps?) Chance will affect a Disco Priest less during MT healing because they will be consistently healing the same target repeatedly increasing likelyhood that the bubbles will have more "up-time" on their target.
In a lot of ways, the benefits of this mace to a Disco Priest or MT healer can be better than to a Holy Priest, or a Raid healer, except in the situations where consistent/constant Raid-Wide damage is occurring.
edit: edited for correction for Language on Buff application to CASTER not to TARGET. Ty Paolo
Post by
Paolo
Small but significant correction:
The Effect of this mace is to create a BUFF on the target - Which means that you must heal the target a SECOND time within 15 seconds to get more than one of those bubbles you're looking for. Therefore, raid healers will likely only get one bubble per target at most.
The effect is to create a buff on the
caster
, not the target. That buff makes all your heals (on any target) apply the shield effect during the 15-second duration of the buff. Given the fact that Ulduar has lots raid-wide damage, raid healers are absolutely viable recipients for this wunder-mace.
Post by
OscarDivine
Small but significant correction:
The Effect of this mace is to create a BUFF on the target - Which means that you must heal the target a SECOND time within 15 seconds to get more than one of those bubbles you're looking for. Therefore, raid healers will likely only get one bubble per target at most.
The effect is to create a buff on the
caster
, not the target. That buff makes all your heals (on any target) apply the shield effect during the 15-second duration of the buff. Given the fact that Ulduar has lots raid-wide damage, raid healers are absolutely viable recipients for this wunder-mace.
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Post by
OscarDivine
Small but significant correction:
The Effect of this mace is to create a BUFF on the target - Which means that you must heal the target a SECOND time within 15 seconds to get more than one of those bubbles you're looking for. Therefore, raid healers will likely only get one bubble per target at most.
The effect is to create a buff on the
caster
, not the target. That buff makes all your heals (on any target) apply the shield effect during the 15-second duration of the buff. Given the fact that Ulduar has lots raid-wide damage, raid healers are absolutely viable recipients for this wunder-mace.
Absolutely Paolo! Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying, "Hey let's give this mace to the Disco Priests instead of the Holy Priests!" What I AM saying, though, is that while many of us are lauding how fantastic this would be for a holy priest for raid healing, I think that they underestimate the benefits to a Disco priest and how consistent the bubbling per target may be.
Since we do not know the mechanics of this bubble yet, I think we can assume that Penance will be able to apply this with each of the 3 hits as Divine Aegis can do currently. The amount of extra mitigation afforded to your tank could be REALLY serious and considering that a Heroic Ulduar boss can hit your tank for 25-30k, I don't think this should be taken lightly!
Post by
Paolo
...I'm not saying, "Hey let's give this mace to the Disco Priests instead of the Holy Priests!" What I AM saying, though, is that while many of us are lauding how fantastic this would be for a holy priest for raid healing, I think that they underestimate the benefits to a Disco priest and how consistent the bubbling per target may be.
Since we do not know the mechanics of this bubble yet, I think we can assume that Penance will be able to apply this with each of the 3 hits as Divine Aegis can do currently. The amount of extra mitigation afforded to your tank could be REALLY serious and considering that a Heroic Ulduar boss can hit your tank for 25-30k, I don't think this should be taken lightly!
Blue has said
they want this mace to be appealing to all healing specs, and in fact they've done just that. We don't know the details of the proc (e.g., is there a stacking limit?), but the one thing we do know is that it
scales
(the shield is a % of the amount healed). We discipline priests have smaller heals, sad to say, which means that while we may create more useful shields (on a tank as opposed to a random dps) they will be smaller on average.
At this point, Bliz has succeeded in keeping the mystery alive; there is no obvious recipient of this mace. Class & spec should clearly not be the top (or only) priority when guild leaders decide who this mace should go to.
Post by
OscarDivine
...I'm not saying, "Hey let's give this mace to the Disco Priests instead of the Holy Priests!" What I AM saying, though, is that while many of us are lauding how fantastic this would be for a holy priest for raid healing, I think that they underestimate the benefits to a Disco priest and how consistent the bubbling per target may be.
Since we do not know the mechanics of this bubble yet, I think we can assume that Penance will be able to apply this with each of the 3 hits as Divine Aegis can do currently. The amount of extra mitigation afforded to your tank could be REALLY serious and considering that a Heroic Ulduar boss can hit your tank for 25-30k, I don't think this should be taken lightly!
Blue has said
they want this mace to be appealing to all healing specs, and in fact they've done just that. We don't know the details of the proc (e.g., is there a stacking limit?), but the one thing we do know is that it
scales
(the shield is a % of the amount healed). We discipline priests have smaller heals, sad to say, which means that while we may create more useful shields (on a tank as opposed to a random dps) they will be smaller on average.
At this point, Bliz has succeeded in keeping the mystery alive; there is no obvious recipient of this mace. Class & spec should clearly not be the top (or only) priority when guild leaders decide who this mace should go to.
I'm with you Paolo. The direction of my post was to show us that all healing classes can benefit from this mace, but in different ways. Many of us seem to look through the "Holy Priest" healing lens and see how great this would be for us, and how much more it would benefit us than any other healing class, but it's just not true. I think each healing class has it's major ups and downs, but I agree that this mace was balanced nicely for all healers, Single Target or Raid.
Post by
Aldones
Sure disc has smaller heals, but we rapidly put them out, giving a better chance to proc. Also, as a MT healer, there is a much better chance that the shield will actually be absorbed. If it procs on a dps, there's a good chance that the absorption won't get fully used unless the boss has consistant AoE damage. I find it very unlikely that the shield won't have duration it lasts. Furthermore, the wording, "your heals have a chance to cause," makes me thing AoE spells very well might not count per target but per cast; though I'm not positive how these procs normally work.
Post by
OscarDivine
Sure disc has smaller heals, but we rapidly put them out, giving a better chance to proc. Also, as a MT healer, there is a much better chance that the shield will actually be absorbed. If it procs on a dps, there's a good chance that the absorption won't get fully used unless the boss has consistant AoE damage. I find it very unlikely that the shield won't have duration it lasts. Furthermore, the wording, "your heals have a chance to cause," makes me thing AoE spells very well might not count per target but per cast; though I'm not positive how these procs normally work.
lol I coulda sworn I said all of that already? Redundancy is good though. :-)
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