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Post by
HiVolt
Alright, I've had an idea.
Let's say, Turalyon has just returned to Stormwind from wherever he has been(disregarding Alleria here). Before he returned to Azeroth, he went to visit Khadgar and the boys to catch up on the state of things. They tell him about everything they've learned that's transpired since the Alliance Expedition went through the portal.
So, he gets back to Stormwind and speaks to Varian. Varian tells him of his time spent in thrall to Reghar Earthfury, thus giving Turalyon a bit of anger toward the Orcs. Then he speaks to Jaina, who tells him about the internment of the Orcs and their quest for redemption(essentially). That abates the anger. He realizes that the Horde now is a New Horde and not the one he fought so many years ago.
Next, he makes his way up to Northrend to see Tirion Fordring and Rhonin. Tirion tells him about the goings-on with the Scourge, the Knights of the Silver Hand, the Scarlets and the Argents. Rhonin tells him about the unwillingness of Varian to work with the Horde, and Garrosh's instigation.
Now, what do you think Turalyon would do? Would he aid in the fight against the Lich King with the Argent Crusade? Would he try to quell the tension growing between the Alliance and the Horde? Would he just say "Screw all this noise" and go back to have more babies with Alleria?
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Post by
HiVolt
But he has a duty to Stormwind, being the former lieutenant of Lothar, does he not? If he sees that Varian is leading the city in an unhealthy direction, doesn't he have an obligation to say something? Or should he follow Varian in his quest?
Post by
Adamsm
His duty first and foremost is as always, would be to the Alliance. Honestly, I could see him acting more as an advisor to Varian(we are assuming Alleria is safe and sound right?), trying to lead the king back onto a path of the Light. But if you think the stories of the camps would change his mind about the Horde..... I don't think so; between the things he's seen the Horde do; ie Kill Lothar at Blackrock, destroy the High Elf lands, willingly consort with demons, not to mention all the things that occur during the events of "Beyond the Dark Portal", his distrust of the Horde would still be there.
He would temper the king yes, make sure that Varian is helping to fight the greater enemies, but don't expect him to want to set up a peace treaty with the Horde.
Post by
Morec0
Turlyon is a pious faith-blinded paladin, who remembers the attrocities that the orcs commited during the second was - my like Admiral Proudmoore.
I have no doubt that he would hate the orcs as much as the king of Stormwind and Grand Admiral of Kul'tiras did.
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Post by
HiVolt
Say Turalyon is weary of war, and wants to forget the atrocities of the past, much like Saurfang. Does he choose to aid the King? Does he become a mediator? Khadgar aided the Sha'tar, who were aided by the new Horde, that's got to ring in somewhat with him.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Turalyon was there when Doomhammer killed his leader right before him, so he knows first hand what the old horde were like. But Turalyon was a man of honor and decency, and would not want more bloodshed if it could be helped.
I believe Turalyon would recognise the true threat of whats happening in the world, the presense of the scourge and the burning legion, and he would adapt to it. Likely he would see it that if Tirion, who was a fellow member of the silver hand, could finally put aside the indifference between races and work together, such as horde members in the argent dawn/crusade, then he would likely follow suit.
Well I would love to suggest Turalyon taking the throne from Varian and giving the alliance back its dignity without losing its way, its more likely he would look for another path beside this pointless conflict. He was a more 'aware' person about his surroundings then a lot of others were.
Post by
Adamsm
Khadgar aided the Sha'tar, who were aided by the new Horde, that's got to ring in somewhat with him.That's different, the Sha'tar were fighting back the Legion and both side's fought with them.
He wouldn't push for peace, weary or not, it's not easy to forgive those long years of war. Again, he might be there as an Advisor to help temper Varian's temper, but he wouldn't push for peace, though he wouldn't go out of his way to restart the war.
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HiVolt
Khadgar aided the Sha'tar, who were aided by the new Horde, that's got to ring in somewhat with him.That's different, the Sha'tar were fighting back the Legion and both side's fought with them.
He wouldn't push for peace, weary or not, it's not easy to forgive those long years of war. Again, he might be there as an Advisor to help temper Varian's temper, but he wouldn't push for peace, though he wouldn't go out of his way to restart the war.
But the thing is, the only known source for the Horde wanting war is Garrosh, maybe a few peeved Blood Elves and Forsaken. While he is influential, he isn't the Warchief. Varian however, a faction leader, and the de-facto leader of the Alliance as a whole, is
trying
to start the war. There's a big difference between defending your country, then reclaiming stolen lands, and fending off another attack, than there is in starting a full-blown war.
What if Alleria were to have a problem with Turalyon siding against the Blood Elves? What if Turalyon sympathized with the Forsaken? He may hold a grudge against the Orcs, but that's no reason to bring the other races of the Horde into it. After all, they've done nothing to him personally.
Post by
Adamsm
That's why I said he would be there to try to keep Varian under control, and hopefully do a better job then Thrall does with Garrosh. Technically, beyond the speech at battle for the undercity and saying he wouldn't help with Ulduar, Varian has done nothing truly warlike against the Horde.
What if Alleria were to have a problem with Turalyon siding against the Blood Elves? What if Turalyon sympathized with the Forsaken? He may hold a grudge against the Orcs, but that's no reason to bring the other races of the Horde into it. After all, they've done nothing to him personally. More then likely Alleria would take the same stance on Blood Elves that her sister Vereesa does; sees them as a possible threat. As for a Paladin of the Light sympathizing with the Forsaken.... probably not, after all Turalyon is from Lordaeron, he probably would feel the same way other survivor's feel about the Undead taking over the ruins. And honestly I wouldn't want to be around if Alleria runs into Darkspear Troll's, considering the old racial hatred between Elves and Trolls (and yes I know island trolls are different then Forest trolls but do you really think she is going to care?), and I'd see him siding with his wife over the tusked people.
Post by
HiVolt
I would hate to see either the enigmatic characters of Turalyon or Alleria made out to be warmongers. Maybe it's my love of the new Horde(since WC3) and my love of the old Alliance(before WC3), wanting to live in harmony with each other.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, Alleria was always a warmonger; she wanted the Orc's killed to a being for attacking the High Elf lands. Turalyon is a paladin of the Hand, one of those who believed the Horde, because they came from another world, were outside of the Light, that's why they were so vicious. I don't know where you picked up this romantized version of them Hivoltage but that isnt them. Plus we have no idea what's happening to them now on whatever world they escaped to, for all we know it's making them even harder.
Post by
HiVolt
Picked it up from being a kid and thinking "Oh cool, the Humans and the Elves must be the good guys!" Turns out that I was so wrong on so many levels. Granted I was about 12 years old when I played WC2 for the first time, so my concepts of good and evil were pretty black and white.
Post by
Adamsm
Picked it up from being a kid and thinking "Oh cool, the Humans and the Elves must be the good guys!" Turns out that I was so wrong on so many levels. Granted I was about 12 years old when I played WC2 for the first time, so my concepts of good and evil were pretty black and white.
Heh, yeah that's why you have to go back through again and watch what their sayings, also:
Beyond the Dark Portal
and
Tides of Darkness
excellent reads, helps to flesh out the minimal story on both games. And Rosenburg and Golden so no mary-sues heh.
Post by
Patty
Hmm, I would say this very much depends on Alleria, even though it's about Turalyon.
If Alleria succumbed to her magical addiction, or was close to becoming a Blood Elf, Turalyon would push for peace I think.
If Alleria remains a High Elf, she would either have the same stance as her hypocritical sister (as Vereesa says she herself would have fell to the Arcane addiction had it not been for Mary-Sue-nin) Or she could be very sympathetic towards her former people.
Plus, let's not get started on Sylvanas' condition (seeing as the last thread about these three meeting devolved into a discussion about
Hot lesbian incest
)
I think it would be funny if Alleria wore the trousers and was all possessive over Turalyon.
Post by
Skreeran
I think it would be funny if Alleria wore the trousers and was all possessive over Turalyon.I don't want Alleria to wear trousers.
Post by
Patty
I think it would be funny if Alleria wore the trousers and was all possessive over Turalyon.I don't want Alleria to wear trousers.
Please bear in mind how
some
trousers look like hotpants + stockings on a female toon? Look at them on a female Blood elf.
Post by
Skreeran
I think it would be funny if Alleria wore the trousers and was all possessive over Turalyon.I don't want Alleria to wear trousers.
Please bear in mind how
some
trousers look like hotpants + stockings on a female toon? Look at them on a female Blood elf.
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